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post Jul 20 2020, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(perplexedstill @ Jul 20 2020, 10:14 PM)
What?
It's the agent lovely family members. Of course he/she will always make sure they got the best coverage within their budget. What park license without practicing? What?
RM3600 yearly so? He/She got other main job lah.
You talk like the agent's family get free insurance from insurance company is it? They also pay the premium like others on time. How come no profit for the insurance company? What?
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This is the industry practice, same goes for any other sales industry I.e if you’re a panel conveyancing lawyer for a bank, if you don’t meet the minimal volume, you’ll be removed from their panel; similarly, if you’re a property agent and want to apply as REN, you need to meet certain sales to maintain or you’ll be removed for someone else to take over as there is limited REN available.

If you don’t like how it’s being practiced, either go with the flow or go look somewhere else. Probably I can suggest you to write a long love letter to BNM to voice out.

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post Jul 20 2020, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 20 2020, 10:23 PM)
:thumbsup: thanks for the input...
that means they maintained the same as BNM guidelines on min sum...

jfyi....
found this 9 yrs old post....
Unit trust company "did" set it sales target 3x higher than FIMM guidelines

read BACKWard the communication between WMK & felix
from post 35
How to be a unit trust agent?, example, public mutual
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/475101/all
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Thank goodness I am not subject to sales targets xD
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post Jul 21 2020, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(rEvivEd- @ Jul 21 2020, 03:40 PM)
Hi sifus.

I recently got an insurance plan from AIA
It’s the A-life link 2 with a premium of rm2.5K per annum.

Coverage amount is 10K
A plus disability = 10K
A plus health = 1.5M per annum.
A plus waiverex basic(70)

Could someone briefly explain / tell me whether my insurance is good? Currently 26 this year.

I hardly can understand what am I covered / not covered. Thanks in advance
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Hi,

You've bought an investment link policy with AIA which entails
Death/Total Permanent Disability 10k
A Plus Health = 1.5m comes with Room 200/daily with no lifetime limit, however you need to check if it's with or without deductible (RM300)

Waiver Raider means your policy premium will be waived until the age of 70 years old if you succumb to Disability or Critical Illness.

As for the policy, it seems to be heavily skewed to hospitalization and surgical. If your main point is to also cover for other areas such as debts / living expenses then this plan may not be meet your expectation.

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post Jul 21 2020, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(salem74 @ Jul 21 2020, 09:09 PM)
Hi, I'm currently 34 y/o, non smoker

My main concern is just hospital admission coverage and outpatient treatment for cancer.

Would like to ask the sifus here about recommendations for investment link policy with minimum coverage for life/total permanent disability(as i had already had another savings type life/TPD insurance)

+waiver in case of having CI/TPD.
+annual limit may be 500k-1m
+lifetime unlimited
-Life/TPD amount as low as possible

Thank you.
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Premium 250 monthly for your age with the benefit listed above
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post Jul 23 2020, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 09:56 AM)
how to upgrade GE policy with higher coverage?

have an old policy from 2005.

Great Protectlink Insurance with IL Health Protection

Annual Coverage is only 50K
Lifetime 200K.. mana cukup

Paying rm375 x4 per year
Investment value got rm12k now

Shall i just cancel this policy and buy a new one with unnlimited Lifetime?  Or possible buy another policy as a second policy?
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You will need to buy a new one if you wish to upgrade the coverage as the older plan can't be upgraded.

If you have no history of health problem then getting a new one instead of maintaining 2 medical plan (including the old plan) (double your cost) is more advisable. However I would advise you to get your new policy approve first & wait for 120 days before cancelling your old card.


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post Jul 23 2020, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 10:10 AM)
thanks. like this it would be better to get a standalone plan right instead of the ilp i currently have for better coverage? Already over 40 but no history of health problems so far.
i have another 2 other policies under ge ,

Life 87 (sum assured rm75k - paying rm513x4 /year)  and

Supreme livingcare series 2 (sum assured rm52k - paying rm386x4/year) ...

all started in 2002. Shall i just leave those policies alone and keep paying..?
my concern now is on medical card ...
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Depending on your existing risk, you should then look into how to manage those risk.

i.e Debts to pay if you pass away, dependents to provide if you're no longer around, living expenses if you're unable to work due to disability or chronic illness, and many other factors.

Hence if I were you, it's better to do a proper review and understand more about your insurance planning.

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As for whether to get Standalone or ILP, you will need to know how comprehensive you would like your medical plan to be, whether to add on a waiver of premium so that you wouldn't need to worry about paying the insurance premium even after you've been critically ill or permanently disabled. (Which may impact your capability to pay for your insurance premium while managing other day-to-day expenses).

A proper discussion will help you find out whether you need those necessary insurance or not.

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post Jul 23 2020, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 23 2020, 12:37 AM)
Can PM me this plan for 1971 May?
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Room 550
Annual Limit 1m
No lifetime
Premium 980 yearly
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post Jul 23 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 12:13 PM)
thanks

what is this deductible insurance? not all insurance act like it?
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A deductible is a fixed amount (cost) that you need to pay for your hospitalization bill before the balance is paid by the insurance company. Depending on how much deductible you've chosen for your insurance plan.

Insurance company will normally give you a % discount on your premium payable, the higher the deductible, the higher the discount, but bear in mind also the higher amount you need to pay upfront to the hospital.

If you have an existing card then you may choose to pick a deductible on the 2nd card to save on the cost, however you will need to do some extra paper work to file for the claim with 2 insurance companies.

Also not all insurance offers high deductible options up to 50k.

user posted image

Here's an illustration of how deductible works, credit @ringgitplus

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post Jul 23 2020, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 12:27 PM)
so if for the 2nd insurance , if i dont buy deductible also can rite? say the Ge covers 50K.... if not sufficient i present my second medical card then? will they accept?
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You can choose with 0 Deductible option for the 2nd card, but still have to file claim with the 2nd insurance company (if you choose to claim with your GE card 50k limit first) for the excess amount that needs to be claimed.

Hence if you want less paperwork, use only 1 card with a high annual limit. Otherwise as I've mentioned, you would be paying 2x the cost for insurance if you maintain 2 cards that has 0 deductiible.
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post Jul 23 2020, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Jul 23 2020, 04:21 PM)
I have helped my customer upgraded this policy b4 to the latest medical rider. Speaking as I’m representing this company.
You may just upgrade from great protect link by withdraw the ILHP and insert the new rider. Annually Rm990k-1.32mil and unlimited lifetime.

You need to submit a form called psf02 to declare your current health status.
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post Jul 23 2020, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 06:22 PM)
Thanks
The new rider will be still ilp or standalone? Is this a better option comparing to getting a new plan?

I am also looking for another 2 medical cards for wife n kid.

Currently all of us are under co group coverage rm30k per issue. So most prob get a deductible type as suggested by lifebalance
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It will still be an ILP, basically you are dropping your existing medical rider to take on a new one, of course you may need to top up on your premium payable for the newer benefit.
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post Jul 23 2020, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 08:19 PM)
In this case, it might be better to consider a new policy- standalone policy. ILP premium is high n i rather just focus on pure health protection .
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post Jul 23 2020, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(truecolor @ Jul 23 2020, 10:52 PM)
what's the average yearly premium someone will pay now? RM2k? RM3k? Heard people advising 5%-10% as a rule of thumb for the premium, will someone with 10k salary really allocate that much for insurance?
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not necessary have to spend according to 5 - 10% of your monthly, as long as you know what needs to be covered in certain circumstances/events.

There is again no fixed amount or "compulsory" amount that you need to spend because you earn X amount.

Let's look into a bigger picture, if you earn RM500,000/mth, do you think you should spend RM50,000(10%) monthly on insurance ?
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post Jul 25 2020, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(strategist @ Jul 25 2020, 12:02 AM)
i have an investment-linked medical card. But been having second thoughts lately.

Just want to ask whether are there any companies still offering term insurance? (anything that is not investment-linked).

Reason being I trust myself doing the investment more than paying a fee for insurance company to do it.
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There are plenty of term insurance around. If you feel so on the investment part, feel free to explore into taking a standalone instead.
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post Jul 25 2020, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(chichabom @ Jul 25 2020, 10:03 AM)
May i ask for both standalone medical and ilp medical rider, are they all subject to premium loading i.e. if one has made a substantial claim previously then insurance company will renew your policy at a much higher premium in the future due to the higher risk involved?

For those guaranteed renewal policy, does this mean insurance company is obliged to renew your policy however it may be subject to additional premium loading?
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Yes, there will be medical repricing that will affect both the term and ILP medical rider. Due the many factors such as high claim rate, inflation in medical cost, and many other factors

A guaranteed renewable policy is an insurance policy feature that ensures that an insurer is obligated to continue coverage as long as premiums are paid on the policy.

So it has nothing related to premium loading/repricing

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post Jul 25 2020, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(chichabom @ Jul 25 2020, 10:25 AM)
In other words premium loading or medical repricing is something that affects all insurance holders should there be a revision and is not individual specific? Meaning to say if an individual has a history of high claim rate, an insurance company cannot just increase the premium specifically for his/her case?

Also appreciate if any agent here can provide a quote for a standalone medical of at least 1mil coverage and life coverage of say 300k. Age 35 non smoker
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It will affect everyone who bought policy under that insurance company. I.e Company Insurance A decides to increase 15%, it will may not be affecting Company Insurance B.

The insurance company would have charge necessary loading for those policy holder who have sub standard health (risk of higher claim) thus it's already accounted for.

Age 35
Medical
Room 550
Annual Limit 1m
No lifetime
Yearly 743


Life you're looking into term or ILP ?

if Term, you better go search up the insurance company online website to buy yourself.

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post Jul 25 2020, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(chichabom @ Jul 25 2020, 11:47 AM)
Thanks lifebalance. For the standalone medical, mind to pm me the expected premium schedule by age so i could make some comparison? TQ.
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biggrin.gif sure, feel free to compare.
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post Jul 25 2020, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(cfc @ Jul 25 2020, 05:15 PM)
any agent has quotation for senior citizen
i check online and found that most company last entry age is 59 ..
my mum is 61 now , any company still can accept ?

good health, non smoker, plan to cover till 70, annual limit probably 120-150k, lifetime 500-700k is alright. do let me know, plan with deductible option also can be considered.
her current medical premium increase by 90% starting next payment !!!! 
does bnm and piam really review the increment and approve this kind crazy number ??!

or specifically AIA agent, what is the lowest premium for ilp with A_plus health rider,  lowest life + P150 for my mum case?
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good health, non smoker, plan to cover till 70, annual limit probably 120-150k, lifetime 500-700k is alright. do let me know, plan with deductible option also can be considered.

About 1600 yearly

Alternatively.

Room 550
Annual Limit 1 mil
No lifetime
Yearly 2800

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post Jul 25 2020, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(zhixie @ Jul 25 2020, 10:48 PM)
Hi all. Any agent of Lonpac or tokio marine? Wanna ask something
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Pertaining to General Insurance ?
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post Jul 25 2020, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(zhixie @ Jul 25 2020, 11:14 PM)
Looking to upgrade my old insurance package due to low annual and life limit or purchase new IL packages.
37 yo
Non smoker
Boy
Being in hospital once due to abnormal heartbeat but nothing found afterwards at GH. Is it this will effect the premium?
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Subject to underwriter to investigate if they need to.

Can try to apply first if you want .

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