QUOTE(darkmusses @ Feb 18 2020, 02:14 PM)
Just realised not many able to explain and put in good word for the LGBT community. Keep up the good work
Moreover most forumer here always have an illusion of grandeur or perception in their replies - see the way they respond on other topics when you browse through all of their comments
It's been awhile since I read proper comment; especially from Havoc Knightmare and internaldisputes. Appreciate for an elaborate and extensive view
Thanks. I enjoy such discussion and this forum turns me off sometimes so it's quite a breath of fresh air to see this thread being steered in matured way.
QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Feb 18 2020, 02:45 PM)
Yeah, Taiping is pretty awesome. Maybe I will retire there one day. We'll see haha.
That's a good theory too! Good for you for not using Grindr. The only reason I'm there is to do some outreach work. I have to promise myself not to spend more than an hour a day on it otherwise I'd go insane.
I dream of the day when a politician would openly support LGBT—perhaps run as the first openly gay MP— however everyone knows that would be a political suicide. Those who did in the past like Zaid Ibrahim,
are nobodies in the government.
Oh I've heard rumours about Anwar and even Azmin from my friends but whether they are gay or not, it's kinda irrelevant because I doubt they gonna do anything to advance our cause anytime soon.
I haven't been to that meetup specifically. The gathering that I participate in mostly consists of Malay non-professionals so they are a lot to deal with haha. But I still love the people I meet there. Another gathering group is People Like Us Hangout (PLU).
They actually won a Human Rights Award last year
for their effort in community building. So there is no shortage of groups that a LGBT person can join, despite all the restrictions in place. I understand not wanting to participate in any of these though because they usually gonna ask to submit our personal details and not many want to do that because they are discreet.
What sort of outreach work are you doing on Grindr? I find it hard to imagine doing anything productive there. Haha.
I'm OK with Anwar or Azmin not advancing our course, it's fine as long as they leave us alone. Like everyone here is saying, it's asking for too much to expect a LGBT friendly PM, so one that does not actively persecute us is good enough for me at least. The previous government had one obviously butch lesbian minister, so it seems that politically being gay is possible in supposedly conservative Malaysia. Even our neighbouring countries are not as 'progressive' as we are in that sense..
I am not particularly discreet since I am out to all my friends but I just feel uncomfortable being associated with an overtly LGBT group. I consider myself to be just a regular guy that happens to be gay, like I don't want to be part of a group to express my Chinese ethnicity, if that analogy makes sense. I just want to make friends and network.
QUOTE(ashangel39 @ Feb 18 2020, 03:40 PM)
I think it's a bit hard for our society to become more accepting especially with a certain group ruling the country. The religion card will always be played. No doubt that people are generally more accepting but I don't think we'll ever get to a point where we are not frown upon or be made to sound like a freaking disease in this country.
Politicians for sure can't be as liberal as they would want to be as they might lose support from those who are not as liberal as them. They of course would have to go with the most support that they can get or they might lose their seat.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just that looking at how rapidly Saudi Arabia liberalized in recent years gives me hope. It used to be that the conservatism here was spread from the Middle East. Now that they are going into reverse gear, hopefully that eases their influence here. Once people get accustomed to the idea that we are just normal people, it will help. I've come out to old school homophobic guys and took quite a lot of ignorant questions ("Why don't you try it with a girl to know for sure") but it got better with time.