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Princess_Alicia
post Mar 1 2020, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(Messiahword @ Mar 1 2020, 04:26 PM)
If the guy transform almost identical to look like a girl. Yes I'm turned on. Even deep down I know is a guy.
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You are straight man. To be a real transgender you have to pass several test. First you have to see counsellor, then proceed to psychologist, then psychiatrist, and lastly you will be referred to the endocrinologist. The hospital will give you a few paper test to evaluate your emotion and thinking. This of course including your sexual preference and desire. There will be a lot of blood test involved too; to check your chromosome, your active testosterone vs oestrogen, your liver and kidney function, etc. In conclusion, to be recognise as a true transgender, someone need to get a proper medical procedure, because many thinking that they are transgender but ended up regret and revert back. These group are probably caught in the fetishism.
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post Mar 1 2020, 11:15 PM

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Hey good people!

I have a question and please do tell me if I'm being insensitive.
How does one love and express themseves with someones of the same sex while practice faith in Islam?

I have several acquaintances/ friends who are in the community, all from different races.
I couldn't bring myself to ask the question because I'm agraid they might take it the wrong way.

I understand that some might not practice the religion anymore, and that some choose to not express themselves but I always wondered how does one identify as being gay and muslim.

I did read online, but I can't seem to find any regarding the experiences of being gay and muslim in Malaysia.


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post Mar 1 2020, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Mar 1 2020, 11:15 PM)
Hey good people!

I have a question and please do tell me if I'm being insensitive.
How does one love and express themseves with someones of the same sex while practice faith in Islam?

I have several acquaintances/ friends who are in the community, all from different races.
I couldn't bring myself to ask the question because I'm agraid they might take it the wrong way.

I understand that some might not practice the religion anymore, and that some choose to not express themselves but I always wondered how does one identify as being gay and muslim.

I did read online, but I can't seem to find any regarding the experiences of being gay and muslim in Malaysia.
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No, it's not insensitive. Don't worry. smile.gif

Well, I'm not practicing anymore but my boyfriend and some of my friends still do. They justify being a proud gay Muslim by saying that all Allah's creations are perfect. The fact that He made us LGBT is intentional and we should treat it as a blessing instead of a curse. Someone actually studied the religious texts pertaining homosexuality and while they do touch a little bit on sodomy, he summarized that they are mainly about lust instead of pure love between two human beings. Hence, none are applicable to punish gay people for being who they are.

Personally whenever someone tells me I'm doing something un-Islamic or "immoral" I just responded that I'm the one who has to answer for my sins in the afterlife.

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post Mar 2 2020, 12:59 PM

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Now is NOT the Time for LGBT Malaysians to Give Zero Fucks
Source: https://www.queerlapis.com/harapan-zero-fucks/

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The euphoria that gripped Malaysia after the end of BN’s 62-year reign had dissipated in one single night, especially for LGBTQ communities. Our hope for change already started to chip away when our rights were violated even during Pakatan’s era. But now, with the possibility of BN returning along with PAS, the final nail in the coffin had been hammered, so to speak.

We spoke to Malaysians, both LGBTQ and allies, to locate some clarity in the midst of this political chaos.

Levels of fear

“The feeling of helplessness from being kept in the dark and at the mercy of our political overlords is not a pleasant feeling,” says Shawn K*, a local university student. He fears for the safety of his LGBTQ friends if far-right parties, BN and PAS take the reins and the backsliding of human rights worsens.

Under previous administrations, homophobia was a full-scale rampant campaign. Enter Mahathir’s administration (latest or second latest, depending on who’s counting) in the form of PH. He formed a brand new coalition which was “progressive” in namesake, but in actuality, it all but exploited LGBTQ Malaysians. They needed to appease the conservative bloc who wanted proof that the ‘LGBT-agenda’ was being contained after all.

Shawn K adds that the “lack of transparency and reliable information” transpiring in the last few days has shaken up the communities’ trust in the government and faith in democracy.

Another concerned Malaysian questioned whether the principles of pluralism are no longer a reality for the government. “I was angry, furious, and thought very briefly ‘perhaps it’s time to leave’,” says PL*, an account manager in the Klang Valley. “Then I realised, this is a democracy. Democracy is noisy, chaotic. If it were to work, we have to make it work.”

But what does “making it work” mean? LGBTQ people are not all the same. As we see so far, some of them are disappointed by their lack of voice in government while others fear for their very lives. The problem is that not everyone has the privilege or wealth to add to the statistics on ‘brain drain’; democracy is chaotic but so are our intersectional identities.

Despite these differences, many of the LGBTQ communities are standing their ground to defend their constitutional rights.

The targets are bigger (again)

LGBTQ communities are no strangers to cruel treatment, even under the PH administration. However, their plights have gone unnoticed by the majority of Malaysians. But now that non-Malays are beginning to get a taste of a government that seeks to make them minorities again, alarm bells ring. Ironically, their fears are revealing — they are afraid to get treated how LGBTQ have always been treated in the country.

Yet, a group LGBTQ folks still stand alongside their fellow citizens, out of love for their nation. On the night of 26 February, they gathered at Dataran Merdeka for a snap protest called #DemokrasiMati against the political elite and their “backdoor government”.

“We will see an emboldened jump in racism, fascism, classism and homophobia targeted at marginalised groups,” said Fadiah Nadwa Fikri, a human rights lawyer and ally. She was the most vocal orator at the rally, among a band of other young voices, mobilising a crowd feeling both betrayed and angered towards politicians who did not have their interests at heart.

On stage, she said, those “scheming and plotting with people that we voted for in the last election do not represent us”. When she says us, she means each and every group that faced discrimination, thrown in jail without due process, abused and tortured or, in worse cases, murdered. They are the Orang Asli, the poor, the Malaysian Indians, the Shi’a Muslims, the refugees, and the stateless and the displaced.

Fadiah drives home a point about erasing the importance of marginalised groups amidst the entire he-said-she-said chaos, including non-Malays and low-income communities throughout her speech. “Only people power can save us, [politicians] are not going to save us”, Fadiah continues in an impassioned tone.

Lex Ariff, a gay Sarawakian puts it succinctly, “Now is not the time to give zero fucks. This is the time to keep ourselves informed and those in power accountable.”

As the rakyat wait anxiously for news of a new government to arise from a palace they’ve never seen, they must know it’s not helpless, and that true political power lays in their hands. Even if those hands have endured hate and exclusion simply for the colour of their skin or who they love. This time, we stand as Malaysians.
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post Mar 2 2020, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 1 2020, 05:11 PM)
Haha fair enough. I've been gay all my life and I still cannot identify who is gay and who is not though. Which is why everytime I see a hot guy, I open my Grindr to see if he is in there.
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Above you mentioned partner and you stil have Grindr app?
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post Mar 2 2020, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 2 2020, 12:58 AM)
No, it's not insensitive. Don't worry.  smile.gif 

Well, I'm not practicing anymore but my boyfriend and some of my friends still do. They justify being a proud gay Muslim by saying that all Allah's creations are perfect. The fact that He made us LGBT is intentional and we should treat it as a blessing instead of a curse. Someone actually studied the religious texts pertaining homosexuality and while they do touch a little bit on sodomy, he summarized that they are mainly about lust instead of pure love between two human beings. Hence, none are applicable to punish gay people for being who they are.

Personally whenever someone tells me I'm doing something un-Islamic or "immoral" I just responded that I'm the one who has to answer for my sins in the afterlife.
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This is super insightful!
The lust vs love bit makes a lot of sense, thanks a lot man, this makes me feel better for my friends.
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QUOTE(darkmusses @ Mar 2 2020, 02:06 PM)
Above you mentioned partner and you stil have Grindr app?
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I treat Grindr as Facebook for homosexuals. My partner doesn't really mind me using it.

QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Mar 2 2020, 06:29 PM)
This is super insightful!
The lust vs love bit makes a lot of sense, thanks a lot man, this makes me feel better for my friends.
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Glad I clear that up for you! Cheers!
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post Mar 2 2020, 08:20 PM

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I'll try to answer this in my point of view as a lesbian.

QUOTE(J1g54w @ Mar 1 2020, 10:15 AM)
Do lesbians become lesbians because of past trauma with men, hate men, or just genuinely love girls?
As for me, I tried dating men and I enjoyed my time spent with them but I am just not sexually attracted to them.

Are all tomboys lesbians?
I don't think all tomboys are lesbians but perhaps most of them are.

Is it possible for an LGBT to become straight?
I would think no and if a guy/girl goes back to being with the opposite sex, it means that they are bisexual or they have decided to be with the opposite sex due to society pressure.
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post Mar 3 2020, 06:25 PM

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i dont have problem having gay friends but i always critise my gay cousin on his life direction,not necessarily on his sexuality. Do i have discrimination against gay people in general?
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QUOTE(itik_emas @ Mar 3 2020, 06:25 PM)
i dont have problem having gay friends but i always critise my gay cousin on his life direction,not necessarily on his sexuality. Do i have discrimination against gay people in general?
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What's up with your gay cousin?
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post Mar 3 2020, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 3 2020, 05:33 PM)
What's up with your gay cousin?
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more like blaming othes if misfortune happen to him.i think he is still fairly emotionally supported by his parents.but some reason life career and financiial matter doesnt really be kind to him. his brother also stopped supporting now.not because of his sexuality because we know he is always 'different'.his brother also complained his gay brother always boosted he is better cos he is more pragmatic than his non-gay brother.there any personality traits that is special for LGbt people? Sorry if i cant explain it more clearly to u😅
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i wonder..just wanna ask, if not male or female, which toilet did u use?
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post Mar 4 2020, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(itik_emas @ Mar 3 2020, 07:25 PM)
more like blaming othes if misfortune happen to him.i think he is still fairly emotionally supported by his parents.but some reason life career and financiial matter doesnt really be kind to him. his brother also stopped supporting now.not because of his sexuality because we know he is always 'different'.his brother also complained his gay brother always boosted he is better cos he is more pragmatic than his non-gay brother.there any personality traits that is special for LGbt people? Sorry if i cant explain it more clearly to u😅
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There are a couple of unique personality traits that is quite common to LGBT people. But none can explain your brother's behavior... Having victim mentality is prevalent to everyone including straight people especially when facing such an unpredictable world right now. Maybe you guys can sit down and have a long chat to resolve/understand his issues.

QUOTE(kento @ Mar 3 2020, 09:27 PM)
i wonder..just wanna ask, if not male or female, which toilet did u use?
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Whichever they gravitate more towards. I don't think trans people intend for other people at the toilet to feel uncomfortable. I think toilet access probably sits at the bottom of the list of things trans people are demanding anyway.

Unpopular opinion— we should just abolish men/women toilets and make them all unisex.
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post Mar 4 2020, 10:38 AM

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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4916890
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QUOTE(pot-8-O's @ Mar 4 2020, 10:38 AM)
Yeah, that was random. Islam is about - Live and let live. Learning to accept and respect other’s right to exist and figure out the best way to co-exist.

I wonder if he's the one keep reporting this thread to the admins. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 4 2020, 10:43 AM)
Yeah, that was random. Islam is about - Live and let live. Learning to accept and respect other’s right to exist and figure out the best way to co-exist.

I wonder if he's the one keep reporting this thread to the admins.  sweat.gif
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You can only report a thread / post once.

Random indeed.
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QUOTE(pot-8-O's @ Mar 4 2020, 10:48 AM)
You can only report a thread / post once.

Random indeed.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting.
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Iran is forcing gay men to have gender transition surgeries to “make them straight”
Source: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/03/iran-fo...-make-straight/

Iranian LGBTQ activist Shadi Amin has accused Iranian authorities of forcing thousands of gay men every year to undergo gender-affirming surgeries to switch their gender in an attempt to turn them into heterosexuals.

After receiving these surgeries under duress, the newly transitioned men and women are often rejected by their families and subject to social discrimination and violence.

Although Iranian law views homosexuality as an illness punishable by imprisonment, flogging, and death, it has permitted gender-affirming surgeries since the 1980s so that transgender people can enter heterosexual relationships. The country now conducts at least 4,000 such surgeries each year, possibly far more.

While the exact numbers are forced surgeries for gay and lesbian Iranians remains unclear, Amin says authorities force people to have these surgeries, subsidized by the government, under the threat of arrest, imprisonment, and possible death.

“The government believes that if you are a gay man your soul is that of a woman and you should change your body,” she said. “We think this is a way to fight the existence of homosexual people because you change their body and you solve the problem.”

She added that the country is trying to “cleanse” itself of homosexuals, stating, “[The government] would rather carry out mass surgeries than executions because they know the world is watching them.”

After completing the surgeries, Amin claims that the government offers no further social support for living as a newly transitioned person. As a result, such people are often rejected by their families, Amin says. Lacking familial and social support, many go into sex work and experience physical and sexual violence. This violence can go unpunished; Iran also has no hate crime laws punishing assault against queer individuals.

In the modern era, powerful Muslim clerics and politicians throughout Iran and the Middle East have used anti-LGBTQ sentiment, laws, public floggings, and executions to generate support among conservative citizens who consider queer identity a “decadent” western import. Despite their zealotry, the Quran contains no verses condemning homosexuality and classic Middle Eastern poetry even celebrated homosexual love.
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 4 2020, 10:43 AM)
Yeah, that was random. Islam is about - Live and let live. Learning to accept and respect other’s right to exist and figure out the best way to co-exist.

I wonder if he's the one keep reporting this thread to the admins.  sweat.gif
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That thread has been deleted.
What was it about?
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Mar 4 2020, 03:51 PM)
That thread has been deleted.
What was it about?
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It was a thread demanding LGBT people to repent. sweat.gif

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