Actually hartalega is a family business so this clash with ts requirements

And the business is run by 3rd generation of brothers and cousins. The business started fr the grandpa in construction (I think) and clothes label before the son n brother took up the challenge from govt to go into rubber glove and then niche nitrile then later the grand sons  had overseas educTion went n took over.

I've worked at a company which the manager asked these 3 questions:

1. Why you apply to work here?
2. Give me 10 reasons why should I hire you?
3. Give me 10 contributions you can do for us?

I just goreng and got hired but turns out that manager is a taichi master. Anything good he took the credit, bad thing happens then he'll hide and let us took the blame.

After that any interviewer asking any of these questions I'll just answer: "I'm sorry but seems like you are wasting my time and you are wasting your time as well." and walk away.

Will salary get raise as each job hopping goes? I have a colleague who have 11 years of working experience, in her linkedin profile, she was like hopping around company constantly every 2 years.

Other than that, I am an intern in a big company now. As far as online review goes, the company does have high turnover as glassdoor and LYN forum claim. But my colleagues so far are okay and friendly to me, like most of them, those seniors are mostly working >9 years. If the company is so bad, why they are many seniors could stay that long, yet fresh graduate usually won't last more than 5 years (estimated).

I am not sure how much the salary should I ask after the end of my internship. Since most of them saying fresh graduate demand 4k is quite greedy.

What I’ve learned from job hopping for 8 years

I’ve gone into many many many chinaman and unorganised companies. This is the summary of my experience so far.

Disclaimer: I know it’s not easy to find a job now. If u are currently employed and wondering whether to jump to another job, this could b ur gauge whether to jump. If u’re unemployed and just need a job, don’t be picky

1. Avoid ‘company confidential’ ads. Company confidential are recruitment companies. The company appoints recruitment companies to save costs rather than hire a permanent HR dept. In general, they are chinaman company, always on cost savings. Except for some instances, Eg Hartalega was posting it on Jobstreet and appointing recruitment companies. For info, Hartalega is a good company to join. Except for few instances like Hartalega

2. Avoid family business where the directors or top management are family members (eg. daughter or son) of the biggest boss. This is called second generations. They have no idea how to lead and most of the time donno what they are doing. They did not work their way up from the bottom. Do ur research online if they are family members (same surname and too young to be at a high position). If brother/ sister of biggest boss, it’s okay. If biggest boss kids or wife is top management, AVOID. Except for few instances like Hartalega

3. During interview, ask how many staff there are. Those small company (1-50 staff) tends to micro manage. Except startup companies

4. During interview, if they ask:
a) why did u leave ur last company?
b) why is there a gap in employment?
c) why this this this company short term only?
AVOID going into this company. They are focusing on your faults and NOT ur expertise

5. DO join companies which interview focuses on your experience and expertise.

6. During interviews, look around the company. Are there ppl there smiling and laughing? How is the office and table structure? OBSERVE. A good layout plan of office is important because it reflects how organise the company is. Eg. The most disorganized layout plan i've ever been to is BP Healthcare

7. How is the biggest boss (May be your direct or indirect boss)? Does his employees look up to him? Does he hav compassion? Does he hav a DAUGHTER? Bosses who has daughters are more compassionate.

8. Look up Jobstreet and Glassdoor review. Crucial. Try and join Aon Best Employers companies. More info here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4901395

9. A good company will tell you their benefits up front (during signing of offer or even during first interview), without u needing to ask them. The HR will tell u willingly and not hiding and the HR is happy being hardworking and informative.

10. As for salary, a good company will not negotiate salary. They will giv the salary U ask for. There is not a need to bring up salary topic

11. Is the turnover high for the boss’s secretary? If you can find out, it will be informative. The closest person to the boss is the secretary. If the secretary post has a high turnover rate, avoid. Eg of high turnover secretaries: TopGlove, Berjaya, Naza, Genting

12. If can, ask the HR whether HR’s KPI also includes turnover rate. If it does, it’s a good company. More info here : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4901395

13. Observe the HR interviewing you. Does she show concern? I had an interview before where the HR told me “I look nervous and pale” which it was true. And she consoled me to relax.

When u’ve entered the company already, observe:

1. How is the structure of the organisation chart? Is it well planned? Is it a clear path? Ensure u and other staff only report to ONE person.

2. How does the biggest boss manage? When there are mistakes or a problem, who does he goes to? Does he go to the GM or straight to the employee tat did the mistake. Avoid a company tat the biggest boss goes straight to the employee to find fault. There must b a clear line of authority

3. I once joined a company where, one person was head of HR, customer service, legal, etc etc, but she is not a GM or a VP. She was just a kuli, doing paper work like preparing ‘letter of offer’. AVOID

4. Avoid companies where manager always changes or managers who are only under contract. And they keep restructuring

5. Find out what’s the turnover rate like in the company and whether HR’s KPI is concerned wit turnover rate. A good company’s HR’s KPI is also based on the turnover rate

6. How are the staff attitude towards the bosses? Positive or complains? Are the staff always complaining about the bosses? Not one, but majority. If one, u can sweep under the carpet. If many, start browsing jobstreet.
Anything else to add?

Thanks TP for sharing such useful information for the benefits of all.

From my personal experience, there are also some so-called MNC who just set up their office in Malaysia, less than 10 staff in the office. According to recruitment firms, these are considered Start-ups in Malaysia, not even MNC.

If you cannot find any information from online (Lowyat forum/Jobstreet review), one of the alternative ways is to buy the Company Profile from SSM, which costs you RM15.30. From there, it will give you some information on their start-up capital (to see how serious the company is in setting up the business here in Malaysia), director(s) & share holders of the company, and most importantly the company's revenues (to see how well is their businesses).

Hope above information compliment TP's ones.

6. During interview, if they ask:
a) why did u leave ur last company?
b) why is there a gap in employment?
c) why this this this company short term only?
AVOID going into this company. They are focusing on your faults and NOT ur expertise

this recruitment agent literally asked me all these 3 questions on behalf of his client...

this recruitment agent literally asked me all these 3 questions on behalf of his client...

Because your career motivation and aspiration is wsy more important than your current talent. No point hiring a super genius who hate his job.

Typical advise i have been told is to not discuss salary til asked about .

Would you say this is true ?
At point of the interview do I being it up or do i wait for them to mention it.
Also, at what point do we ask about benefits etc?

What I’ve learned from job hopping for 8 years

I’ve gone into many many many chinaman and unorganised companies. This is the summary of my experience so far.

Disclaimer: I know it’s not easy to find a job now. If u are currently employed and wondering whether to jump to another job, this could b ur gauge whether to jump. If u’re unemployed and just need a job, don’t be picky

1. Avoid ‘company confidential’ ads. Company confidential are recruitment companies. The company appoints recruitment companies to save costs rather than hire a permanent HR dept. In general, they are chinaman company, always on cost savings. Except for some instances, Eg Hartalega was posting it on Jobstreet and appointing recruitment companies. For info, Hartalega is a good company to join.

2. Ensure that the company has a proper HR department.

3. Avoid family business where the directors or top management are family members (eg. daughter or son) of the biggest boss. This is called second generations. They have no idea how to lead and most of the time donno what they are doing. They did not work their way up from the bottom. Do ur research online if they are family members (same surname and too young to be at a high position). If brother/ sister of biggest boss, it’s okay. If biggest boss kids or wife is top management, AVOID. Except for few instances like Hartalega

4. Is the turnover high for the boss’s secretary? If you can find out, it will be informative. The closest person to the boss is the secretary. If the secretary post has a high turnover rate, avoid. Eg of high turnover secretaries: TopGlove, Berjaya, Naza, Genting, Tropicana Corporation. This shows there is a problem wit the boss, rather than the secretaries

5. During interview, ask how many staff there are. Those small company (1-50 staff) tends to micro manage. Except startup companies

6. During interview, if they ask:
a) why did u leave ur last company?
b) why is there a gap in employment?
c) why this this this company short term only?
AVOID going into this company. They are focusing on your faults and NOT ur expertise

7. Ask ur interviewer, for ur role,
a) what happen to the previous person?
b) how long did the previous person stay?
c) why previous person left?

8. DO join companies which interview focuses on your experience and expertise.

9. During interviews, look around the company. Are there ppl there smiling and laughing? How is the office and table structure? OBSERVE. A good layout plan of office is important because it reflects how organise the company is. Eg. The most disorganized layout plan i've ever been to is BP Healthcare

10. How is the biggest boss (May be your direct or indirect boss)? Does his employees look up to him? Does he hav compassion? Does he hav a DAUGHTER? Bosses who has daughters are more compassionate.

11. Look up Jobstreet and Glassdoor review. Crucial. Try and join Aon Best Employers companies. More info here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4901395

11. A good company will tell you their benefits up front (during signing of offer or even during first interview), without u needing to ask them. The HR will tell u willingly and not hiding and the HR is happy being hardworking and informative.

12. As for salary, a good company will not negotiate salary. They will giv the salary U ask for. There is not a need to bring up salary topic

13. Is the turnover high for the boss’s secretary? If you can find out, it will be informative. The closest person to the boss is the secretary. If the secretary post has a high turnover rate, avoid. Eg of high turnover secretaries: TopGlove, Berjaya, Naza, Genting, Tropicana Corporation. This shows there is a problem wit the boss, rather than the secretaries

14. If can, ask the HR whether HR’s KPI also includes turnover rate. If it does, it’s a good company. More info here : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4901395

15. Observe the HR interviewing you. Does she show concern? I had an interview before where the HR told me “I look nervous and pale” which it was true. And she consoled me to relax.

16. Avoid companies that post jobs on jobstreet on weekends. It means the HR works on weekends. Unless u are prepared to work on weekends, avoid

When u’ve entered the company already, observe:

1. How is the structure of the organisation chart? Is it well planned? Is it a clear path? Ensure u and other staff only report to ONE person.

2. How does the biggest boss manage? When there are mistakes or a problem, who does he goes to? Does he go to the GM or straight to the employee tat did the mistake. Avoid a company tat the biggest boss goes straight to the employee to find fault. There must b a clear line of authority

3. I once joined a company where, one person was head of HR, customer service, legal, etc etc, but she is not a GM or a VP. She was just a kuli, doing paper work like preparing ‘letter of offer’. AVOID

4. Avoid companies where manager always changes or managers who are only under contract. And they keep restructuring

5. Find out what’s the turnover rate like in the company and whether HR’s KPI is concerned wit turnover rate. A good company’s HR’s KPI is also based on the turnover rate. HR are the one’s who partly makes decision to hire people. It’s part of their responsibility for retaining the staff

6. How are the staff attitude towards the bosses? Positive or complains? Are the staff always complaining about the bosses? Not one, but majority. If one, u can sweep under the carpet. If many, start browsing jobstreet.
Anything else to add?

So any China man co like Hartalega? What about Grab? Although they experienced some financial issue and had to let go some staffs, but from what I hear from friend work there, seems quite ok.

I ingat big boss secretary always change is a good sign. This way, we don't have to cow down to a domineering and powerful secretary.

How to know a co whereby boss go find fault at the staff? I can only think of asking ex staffs and glassdoor.

I think for no.12 to happen, you either have to be a high sought after global talent or you got some skills the co really wants. Of course, these companies has to be very forward thinking and ahead of its curve, macam MNC.

BP healthcare. Hahaha. I once know a very close friend who worked there. The stories I hear from that company, I really roll my eyes and pengsan.

I agree with you, that when you go interview if you see a tensed environment its a red flag. For eg, I did go for one interview, I saw outside like the staffs don;t talk to each other, just look at their laptops in their cubicles. I was in a glass meeting room. I waited there for 10min before start interview, so I observed.

It is very easy to post jobstreet ad in the weekend mah. Doesn't mean staff work in weekend. Sometimes when I got time, I just open my laptop and check the people who apply for jobs at my co, for me to look for candidates.

On no.8, it has to be within the same industry expertise lor. For eg, I was in a certain industry, I didn't want to stay long. So I changed to another one.

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