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 What I’ve learned from job hopping for 8 years., Anything to add?

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avexlim
post Feb 8 2020, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Si kutu rayau @ Feb 3 2020, 03:48 PM)
I've worked at a company which the manager asked these 3 questions:

1. Why you apply to work here?
2. Give me 10 reasons why should I hire you?
3. Give me 10 contributions you can do for us?

I just goreng and got hired but turns out that manager is a taichi master. Anything good he took the credit, bad thing happens then he'll hide and let us took the blame.

After that any interviewer asking any of these questions I'll just answer: "I'm sorry but seems like you are wasting my time and you are wasting your time as well." and walk away.
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My personal experience from an interviewer who likes to ask definition on different terms, rather than focussing on my experiences & skillsets:

1. What's the difference between client, customer and prospect?
2. What's sales funnel?
3. Branding vs Marketing - What's the difference?
4. What's passion?

I felt like sitting an exam rather an interview. Personally, I don't think knowing those definitions will guarantee a successful sales professional.

QUOTE(aBcD-| @ Feb 4 2020, 12:40 AM)
Will salary get raise as each job hopping goes? I have a colleague who have 11 years of working experience, in her linkedin profile, she was like hopping around company constantly every 2 years.

Other than that, I am an intern in a big company now. As far as online review goes, the company does have high turnover as glassdoor and LYN forum claim. But my colleagues so far are okay and friendly to me, like most of them, those seniors are mostly working >9 years. If the company is so bad, why they are many seniors could stay that long, yet fresh graduate usually won't last more than 5 years (estimated).

I am not sure how much the salary should I ask after the end of my internship. Since most of them saying fresh graduate demand 4k is quite greedy.
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On my personal experience, I seek for salary raise on each job hopping. 6 companies over the 8 years, my current salary tripled from my first salary as fresh grad. I don't promote job hopping because there are some trade-offs, whereby it's not well acceptable by the most people. Only minority would value your skillsets & experience, and let past be a history.

For yourself, do seek for growth & learning, money will come after you build up your capabilities.
avexlim
post Feb 8 2020, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Feb 2 2020, 12:26 PM)
What I’ve learned from job hopping for 8 years

I’ve gone into many many many chinaman and unorganised companies. This is the summary of my experience so far.

Disclaimer: I know it’s not easy to find a job now. If u are currently employed and wondering whether to jump to another job, this could b ur gauge whether to jump. If u’re unemployed and just need a job, don’t be picky

1. Avoid ‘company confidential’ ads. Company confidential are recruitment companies. The company appoints recruitment companies to save costs rather than hire a permanent HR dept. In general, they are chinaman company, always on cost savings. Except for some instances, Eg Hartalega was posting it on Jobstreet and appointing recruitment companies. For info, Hartalega is a good company to join. Except for few instances like Hartalega

2. Avoid family business where the directors or top management are family members (eg. daughter or son) of the biggest boss. This is called second generations. They have no idea how to lead and most of the time donno what they are doing. They did not work their way up from the bottom. Do ur research online if they are family members (same surname and too young to be at a high position). If brother/ sister of biggest boss, it’s okay. If biggest boss kids or wife is top management, AVOID. Except for few instances like Hartalega

3. During interview, ask how many staff there are. Those small company (1-50 staff) tends to micro manage. Except startup companies

4. During interview, if they ask:
a) why did u leave ur last company?
b) why is there a gap in employment?
c) why this this this company short term only?
AVOID going into this company. They are focusing on your faults and NOT ur expertise

5. DO join companies which interview focuses on your experience and expertise.

6. During interviews, look around the company. Are there ppl there smiling and laughing? How is the office and table structure? OBSERVE. A good layout plan of office is important because it reflects how organise the company is. Eg. The most disorganized layout plan i've ever been to is BP Healthcare

7. How is the biggest boss (May be your direct or indirect boss)? Does his employees look up to him? Does he hav compassion? Does he hav a DAUGHTER? Bosses who has daughters are more compassionate.

8. Look up Jobstreet and Glassdoor review. Crucial. Try and join Aon Best Employers companies. More info here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4901395

9. A good company will tell you their benefits up front (during signing of offer or even during first interview), without u needing to ask them. The HR will tell u willingly and not hiding and the HR is happy being hardworking and informative.

10. As for salary, a good company will not negotiate salary. They will giv the salary U ask for. There is not a need to bring up salary topic

11. Is the turnover high for the boss’s secretary? If you can find out, it will be informative. The closest person to the boss is the secretary. If the secretary post has a high turnover rate, avoid. Eg of high turnover secretaries: TopGlove, Berjaya, Naza, Genting

12. If can, ask the HR whether HR’s KPI also includes turnover rate. If it does, it’s a good company. More info here : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4901395

13. Observe the HR interviewing you. Does she show concern? I had an interview before where the HR told me “I look nervous and pale” which it was true. And she consoled me to relax.

When u’ve entered the company already, observe:

1. How is the structure of the organisation chart? Is it well planned? Is it a clear path? Ensure u and other staff only report to ONE person.

2. How does the biggest boss manage? When there are mistakes or a problem, who does he goes to? Does he go to the GM or straight to the employee tat did the mistake. Avoid a company tat the biggest boss goes straight to the employee to find fault. There must b a clear line of authority

3. I once joined a company where, one person was head of HR, customer service, legal, etc etc, but she is not a GM or a VP. She was just a kuli, doing paper work like preparing ‘letter of offer’. AVOID

4. Avoid companies where manager always changes or managers who are only under contract. And they keep restructuring

5. Find out what’s the turnover rate like in the company and whether HR’s KPI is concerned wit turnover rate. A good company’s HR’s KPI is also based on the turnover rate

6. How are the staff attitude towards the bosses? Positive or complains? Are the staff always complaining about the bosses? Not one, but majority. If one, u can sweep under the carpet. If many, start browsing jobstreet.
Anything else to add?
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Thanks TP for sharing such useful information for the benefits of all.

From my personal experience, there are also some so-called MNC who just set up their office in Malaysia, less than 10 staff in the office. According to recruitment firms, these are considered Start-ups in Malaysia, not even MNC.

If you cannot find any information from online (Lowyat forum/Jobstreet review), one of the alternative ways is to buy the Company Profile from SSM, which costs you RM15.30. From there, it will give you some information on their start-up capital (to see how serious the company is in setting up the business here in Malaysia), director(s) & share holders of the company, and most importantly the company's revenues (to see how well is their businesses).

Hope above information compliment TP's ones.

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