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> We do not condone nor encourage Muslims to leave, Islam but they have the right to do so

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post Jan 17 2020, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 17 2020, 09:38 AM)
What I am interested to know is this;
First it is claimed that there is "no compulsion" in religion and then if you want to leave it - its the death penalty or other forms of "compulsion". How does these 2 fit together?
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One is before you join....the other after....
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post Jan 17 2020, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 17 2020, 09:38 AM)
What I am interested to know is this;
First it is claimed that there is "no compulsion" in religion and then if you want to leave it - its the death penalty or other forms of "compulsion". How does these 2 fit together?
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Go & learn abt mansukh & nasikh, & u'll understand dat it makes perfect sense.


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post Jan 17 2020, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 17 2020, 09:56 AM)
Go & learn abt mansukh & nasikh, & u'll understand dat it makes perfect sense.
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Is it from the hadith?
where to find?
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 16 2020, 11:49 PM)
They did. Also, atheist malays* or ex-muslim atheists*
Tbh I'm not one or them, and we already have issues within ourselves.
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:05 AM

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Does anyone knows any apostates personally?

How are they living their lives here in Malaysia?
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 17 2020, 10:00 AM)
Is it from the hadith?
where to find?
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Its frm d al-q*ran 2.106. In English its known as abrogation. That is, some statements r replaced with sumthing better. Deswai u c dat huge contradiction.

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post Jan 17 2020, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 17 2020, 09:56 AM)
Go & learn abt mansukh & nasikh, & u'll understand dat it makes perfect sense.
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Actually the context of 2:256 is a bit blur in this aspect, and might not be applicable with naskh, because the story behind it is that a muslim woman was going to get her child to be jewish because most of the children in that tribe of often did not survive. One of the prophet's honchos want to force it islam onto the woman's child to which the prophet prevented. Since a child can't readily accept the religion on his/her own accord, it wasn't forced upon.

But if you're talking about a full grown adult, that's a different story, ie chop chop chop.
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 17 2020, 10:09 AM)
Its frm d al-q*ran 2.106. In English its known as abrogation. That is, some statements r replaced with sumthing better. Deswai u c dat huge contradiction.
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Yes I am familiar with the concept of abrogation.
What I really believe the book teaches is that when it says there is no compulsion it means there is no compulsion in the way you practice it. Like if you cannot stand while your praying you can sit, or if you cannot sit then you may lie down etc. It gives a leeway in that sense. Heck even the much hoo haa'd pork becomes permissible duriing a famine. Then it becomes allowable to consume it. Its no compulsion in that sense.

However my concern is with Taqqiyists who use Taqqiyya to paint a different picture and present the no compulsion part in a different context i.e. there is no compulsion in everything. That is plain Taqqiyya. When it comes to leaving the religion there is no 2 ways about it.
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(CrimsonKing @ Jan 17 2020, 10:05 AM)
Does anyone knows any apostates personally?

How are they living their lives here in Malaysia?
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Even in /k there are known 1 or 2.
Most become atheists.
That is the normal progression of those who leave it.
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:59 AM

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Some people just dislike the idea of having the gift of critical thinking
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post Jan 17 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 17 2020, 10:46 AM)
Even in /k there are known 1 or 2.
Most become atheists.
That is the normal progression of those who leave it.
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Who are those 1 or 2? I am interested to get to know them. smile.gif

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post Jan 17 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(CrimsonKing @ Jan 17 2020, 11:20 AM)
Who are those 1 or 2? I am interested to get to know them.  smile.gif
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It is not for me to name them. laugh.gif
I respect people's rights / privacy.
Its for you to find them on your own efforts.
Just observe and you will know.



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