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> We do not condone nor encourage Muslims to leave, Islam but they have the right to do so

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SUSCrimsonKing
post Jan 16 2020, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jan 16 2020, 10:53 PM)
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Has any Malay ever been hanged for committing apostasy? unsure.gif

SUSCrimsonKing
post Jan 16 2020, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 16 2020, 11:14 PM)
I think anyone who wants out would not have lived in kelantan and terengganu, lol.
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So are there any Malays who are known apostates (and still living in Malaysia)? unsure.gif

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post Jan 17 2020, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 16 2020, 11:47 PM)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia...s-idUSKBN1AN18T

Though not sure if they just keep quiet kah or publicly renounced.
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From Wikipedia.


Lina Joy is a Malay convert from Islam to Christianity. Born Azlina Jailani on 28 July 1964[1] in Malaysia to Muslim parents of Javanese descent,[2] she converted at age 26. The Lina Joy case sparkled a debate about apostasy in Malaysia,[3] and her failed legal attempt to not have her religion assigned as "Islam" on her identity card is considered a landmark case in Malaysia.[4]

Court case
In 1998, Joy was baptised, and applied to have her conversion legally recognised by the Malaysian courts. Though her change of name was recognised in 1999 and so noted on her identity card, her change of religion was not (for lack of a Mahkamah Syariah[5] confirmation document); for this reason, she filed suit with the High Court in 1999, bypassing the Syariah Court (Islamic court). She later filed suit with the Federal Court in 2006.[6][7] Joy hopes to live openly as a Christian; she was forced to go into hiding by the publicity surrounding her case.[8]

In a majority verdict delivered on 30 May 2007, the Federal Court rejected her appeal.[9] Her appeal was dismissed 2-1 by Chief Justice Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim and Datuk Alauddin Mohd Sheriff. The ruling stated that "a person who wanted to renounce his/her religion must do so according to existing laws or practices of the particular religion. Only after the person has complied with the requirements and the authorities are satisfied that the person has apostatised, can she embrace Christianity.... In other words, a person cannot, at one's whims and fancies renounce or embrace a religion."[10]

The dissenting Chief Judge of Sabah and Sarawak Datuk Richard Malanjum wrote that "Hence, in my view this is tantamount to unequal treatment under the law. In other words it is discriminatory and unconstitutional and should therefore be struck down. For this reason alone, the relief sought for by the appellant should be granted, namely for a declaration that she is entitled to have an identity card in which the word 'Islam' does not appear."



Interesting case.

So she is now a practising Christian but with the word "Islam" on her Malaysian IC. unsure.gif




SUSCrimsonKing
post Jan 17 2020, 10:05 AM

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Does anyone knows any apostates personally?

How are they living their lives here in Malaysia?
SUSCrimsonKing
post Jan 17 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 17 2020, 10:46 AM)
Even in /k there are known 1 or 2.
Most become atheists.
That is the normal progression of those who leave it.
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Who are those 1 or 2? I am interested to get to know them. smile.gif


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