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post Jan 17 2020, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 16 2020, 08:27 PM)
Honestly bro, you shouldn't be worried about this. Its not your perogative to be asking about who to give or why no one is asking. It's supposed to be your Mrs who's suppose to advice you. If no dowry has been asked then so be it. Focus on making your wedding a memorable one
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Alright. Thanks for your opinion! Will let her speak to her aunt 1 more time and if she is unwilling to step up, then I will let my fiancee make the decision.

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ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE NOT MY FUTURE NEPHEW IN LAW MASQUERADING AS A /Ktard POSTING IN SECRET HERE!?

Ok, ok, jokes aside, this is so surreal, I needed to read and reread it just to make sure I’m not imagining things!

Good luck once again, best wishes for a successful and memorable wedding day - and most importantly, may the wedding be just the first of many steps in synchrony between you and yours, as both of you tread upon the path in the journey of life together.
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Haha yes I am sure. Her dad is not a dato seri 🤣

Thank you for your wishes!

QUOTE(I'm V-Kool @ Jan 16 2020, 10:07 PM)
Congratulations on your wedding.

Just give it to your WIFE and let her decide who to give or she can keep it for herself
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Thanks! This is indeed a solution. Will let my fiancee make the decision by herself if her aunt doesn't want to step up.


QUOTE(mars2003 @ Jan 17 2020, 12:05 AM)
split what ever you intend to pay as downry to half and give the grandparents and aunt.grandparent get as downry.  aunt as angpao.
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Grandparents have passed away. Otherwise it will be easy, grandparents call the shot. Instead of now nobody feels they have the right to make decision for her.


QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Jan 17 2020, 05:10 AM)
——————“Hi all, I am getting married soon so have been planning the wedding for the past few months.

There is 1 thing which I need some guidance on who to give dowry (or whether you think its necessary or not). Some facts:”

“1) She came from broken family. Parents divorced since she was a child.” ———— ❌

“2) Never seen her mother. Now that she is an adult she has zero interest in meeting her mother.”———— sad ☹️

“3) Father took no part in raising her up. Father only came and reconcile with her after she reach adulthood. She still acknowledge him as a father, but doesn't really respect him.” — RM 222

“4) She was mainly raised by grandparents. Sometimes, her aunt (i.e., sister of her father) helped chip in but it was mainly still her grandparents who raised her. “——— Grandparents RM28888 and aunt RM 2222

“Now, AFAIK according to Chinese custom, dowry is paid to thank the person who raised the bride. However like I said earlier, her father did not raise her up at all. It was the grandparents who raised her up, but they have passed away. Next in line would be her aunt, which I have consulted once and she refused to accept any dowry, simply saying its not necessary.” ———— well it’s all about your emotional foundation
“Some elder people I have consulted including my parents say the aunt is just being polite to refuse the first round, and I should still pay a small amount as a token to respect tradition, but would it be good for me to insist? Is the aunt really just being polite?” ———— yes

“I would like to follow custom/tradition as closely as possible. Anyone here who is familiar with Chinese custom/tradition can advise what I should be doing?”———— me, did in chinese way
We followed truly chinese custom, and its crazier than you could ever think.. don’t follow 100% unless you have 7 figures in your bank account, just take whatever you could afford. The groom pay the dowry mainly to say thanks for the girl’s parents+the girl’s right(in mainland usually the money goes to the brides parents while the others belongs to the bride), because after the wedding, your wife is your parent’s daughter. She obliged to take care of your parents when they’re getting old, and put your family first over her family.

Dowry =

1. 1 house/apartment ——(I got house)
2. 1 car / ox ——(of course i took the car 🤣)
3. gold (the weight must be even), can be formed as jewellery. ——(My in-laws gave 8,888 grams formed as custom made jewellery and they put on me before tea ceremony)
4. Wedding attire from top to the bottom include shoes ———-(i got 2 sets from my inlaw)
5. 2 sets of bed linen and pillows ————(got this also)
6. Glassware set/ tea set———-(got tea set)
7. Babies items———— ( I got baby’s jewellery also)
8. Money——— (USD 888888)

*incase the separation happen/unavoidable because of the bride committed adultery/infidelity, the bride shall return all the dowry and give up the children’s custody to the father.
If happens because of the groom side, all dowry is the wife’s right included alimony and kids custody.
If happens because of mother inlaw, bride keeps half dowry, child custody + alimony. ( I still can’t believe this written in our prenuptial agreement 🤣)

Bride’s father Gift (it’s all upto her family)=

-money ( My dad gave him 2 cars that hubby choose by himself, watches, suits, wines, and money that they never disclosed to me) (my mom gave me several sets of her stones jewelleries to be given to my mother inlaw)
Amazingly We survived 三書六禮/ san syu liu’ lai (you can skip this one)
6 wedding ceremony
And 4 crazy wedding receptions.
In Chinese tradition, if you pay full dowry, the wedding receptions is all up to your wish. The bride/ her family have no rights to demand a big receptions. If they wants to have big banquet, they should cover all expenses. Unless agreed by both parties. The only light tension in our receptions was because my father wants to pay for all of our receptions as I’m the only child, hubby insisted to pay for everything(my dad kinda kesian to my hubby). At the end, don’t know what happened, just settled, hubby paid for everything. Both of them happy🤣😂
My advice, go as close as possible but within your limit. It’s once in a lifetime thing. Don’t be stingy with the dowry, don’t be ashamed to put it in the prenup also Lol 😂. In case your budget is limited, it’s better to split 80%(20% money for her family and 60% get her gold or simply give her money) for the dowry, and 20% for the simple banquet/dinner. Good Luck!
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Wow thanks for the detailed explanation.

I do have a budget constraint so I can't afford a full dowry like what you have listed. I'll just try to go as close as possible within my limit laugh.gif



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post Jan 17 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(kons @ Jan 17 2020, 09:56 AM)
during wedding preplanning there must one session of dowry discussion between you, your parents, her side (she and her grandparents/relatives/parents), whoever made the decision during then will get the dowry.
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The problem is on her side, nobody feels they have the right to make decision.

1) grandparents (the ones who raised her) passed away
2) father never took care of her - she doesn't want him to be involved
3) only other elder person is her aunt, unwilling to take on the decision maker role

Will let my fiancee speak to aunt 1 more time. If her aunt is still unwilling to take up the role, I will let my fiancee make all decisions.
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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jan 17 2020, 10:03 AM)
The problem is on her side, nobody feels they have the right to make decision.

1) grandparents (the ones who raised her) passed away
2) father never took care of her - she doesn't want him to be involved
3) only other elder person is her aunt, unwilling to take on the decision maker role

Will let my fiancee speak to aunt 1 more time. If her aunt is still unwilling to take up the role, I will let my fiancee make all decisions.
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if there is no one willing to be the decision maker, then save up, forget about the dowry.. spend more for your honeymoon
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post Jan 17 2020, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jan 17 2020, 10:03 AM)
The problem is on her side, nobody feels they have the right to make decision.

1) grandparents (the ones who raised her) passed away
2) father never took care of her - she doesn't want him to be involved
3) only other elder person is her aunt, unwilling to take on the decision maker role

Will let my fiancee speak to aunt 1 more time. If her aunt is still unwilling to take up the role, I will let my fiancee make all decisions.
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When the grandparents passed away? My deep condolences.. if that’s the case, just settle with your fiancee. Give the aunty hongbao. That’s it.
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QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Jan 17 2020, 05:10 AM)
——————“Hi all, I am getting married soon so have been planning the wedding for the past few months.

There is 1 thing which I need some guidance on who to give dowry (or whether you think its necessary or not). Some facts:”

“1) She came from broken family. Parents divorced since she was a child.” ———— ❌

“2) Never seen her mother. Now that she is an adult she has zero interest in meeting her mother.”———— sad ☹️

“3) Father took no part in raising her up. Father only came and reconcile with her after she reach adulthood. She still acknowledge him as a father, but doesn't really respect him.” — RM 222

“4) She was mainly raised by grandparents. Sometimes, her aunt (i.e., sister of her father) helped chip in but it was mainly still her grandparents who raised her. “——— Grandparents RM28888 and aunt RM 2222

“Now, AFAIK according to Chinese custom, dowry is paid to thank the person who raised the bride. However like I said earlier, her father did not raise her up at all. It was the grandparents who raised her up, but they have passed away. Next in line would be her aunt, which I have consulted once and she refused to accept any dowry, simply saying its not necessary.” ———— well it’s all about your emotional foundation
“Some elder people I have consulted including my parents say the aunt is just being polite to refuse the first round, and I should still pay a small amount as a token to respect tradition, but would it be good for me to insist? Is the aunt really just being polite?” ———— yes

“I would like to follow custom/tradition as closely as possible. Anyone here who is familiar with Chinese custom/tradition can advise what I should be doing?”———— me, did in chinese way
We followed truly chinese custom, and its crazier than you could ever think.. don’t follow 100% unless you have 7 figures in your bank account, just take whatever you could afford. The groom pay the dowry mainly to say thanks for the girl’s parents+the girl’s right(in mainland usually the money goes to the brides parents while the others belongs to the bride), because after the wedding, your wife is your parent’s daughter. She obliged to take care of your parents when they’re getting old, and put your family first over her family.

Dowry =

1. 1 house/apartment ——(I got house)
2. 1 car / ox ——(of course i took the car 🤣)
3. gold (the weight must be even), can be formed as jewellery. ——(My in-laws gave 8,888 grams formed as custom made jewellery and they put on me before tea ceremony)
4. Wedding attire from top to the bottom include shoes ———-(i got 2 sets from my inlaw)
5. 2 sets of bed linen and pillows ————(got this also)
6. Glassware set/ tea set———-(got tea set)
7. Babies items———— ( I got baby’s jewellery also)
8. Money——— (USD 888888)

*incase the separation happen/unavoidable because of the bride committed adultery/infidelity, the bride shall return all the dowry and give up the children’s custody to the father.
If happens because of the groom side, all dowry is the wife’s right included alimony and kids custody.
If happens because of mother inlaw, bride keeps half dowry, child custody + alimony. ( I still can’t believe this written in our prenuptial agreement 🤣)

Bride’s father Gift (it’s all upto her family)=

-money ( My dad gave him 2 cars that hubby choose by himself, watches, suits, wines, and money that they never disclosed to me) (my mom gave me several sets of her stones jewelleries to be given to my mother inlaw)
Amazingly We survived 三書六禮/ san syu liu’ lai (you can skip this one)
6 wedding ceremony
And 4 crazy wedding receptions.
In Chinese tradition, if you pay full dowry, the wedding receptions is all up to your wish. The bride/ her family have no rights to demand a big receptions. If they wants to have big banquet, they should cover all expenses. Unless agreed by both parties. The only light tension in our receptions was because my father wants to pay for all of our receptions as I’m the only child, hubby insisted to pay for everything(my dad kinda kesian to my hubby). At the end, don’t know what happened, just settled, hubby paid for everything. Both of them happy🤣😂
My advice, go as close as possible but within your limit. It’s once in a lifetime thing. Don’t be stingy with the dowry, don’t be ashamed to put it in the prenup also Lol 😂. In case your budget is limited, it’s better to split 80%(20% money for her family and 60% get her gold or simply give her money) for the dowry, and 20% for the simple banquet/dinner. Good Luck!
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Tumpang thread

So overwhelming.

Will you do things differently if you can turn back to the clock?

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post Jan 17 2020, 11:45 AM

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please dont follow. make it as simple as possible. the basics should be covered, for example the tea ceremony. the rest can skip.
dowry is symbolic. not for showing off, not for selling daughter.
pledge fd rm3333 better than buying gold, or worse, platinum and diamond.

remember. your inlaw did not lose a daughter. they gained a son.

in the old days the daughter not allowed to go home after marriage, thus the money to 'take care' of the parents.

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jan 17 2020, 11:36 AM)
Tumpang thread

So overwhelming.

Will you do things differently if you can turn back to the clock?
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No, I would still do the same thing laugh.gif

Honestly, it’s beautiful and magical laugh.gif through all of these traditions, we got to know each other’s better, we respect each other’s better, and we had beautiful memories together.

There’s a time when i was really pissed off because my makeup artists were late.. and i threw a huge drama.. laugh.gif laugh.gif i wanted to cancel the wedding, and cried inside my bedroom. My mom and dad were in high tension because they were under pressure, forced me to just do simple make up and insisted show must go on, while honestly deep down inside my heart (WTF!!! I’m not a robot lah, and so upset why my parents worry about their face but doesn’t care at all about my feeling). So I acted like a bitch crying and shut everybody’s out.

My mother in law and sisters inlaw came in rescue laugh.gif laugh.gif. My mother inlaw told me, it’s ok if I want to postpone the ceremony. Whole family and guests should waited for me. And I was like “awwww” and hug her. I had quick shower, and all of them helped me dress up, one did my hair, makeup, one did this one did that, while my mother inlaw feed me 😂😂😂 all of them showered me with positive words and jokes.. I could never ask for a better family than this. MIL assistants and Event managers were panicking and keeps on ringed her.. “puan sri, all the guests...” I heard that over the phone, before my MIL shut her off “my daughter are not ready, You pandai2 lah.”.

Oh finally the MakeUPartist arrived.. in short.. we’re 30 mins late.. my parents were so relieved when I came out of the bedroom with big smile on my face. My MIL siap made a joke some more to my dad. “Datuk sri, i bought her cash. She’s my daughter now. If you make her cry again You’ll have to talk to my lawyer.”. Everybody laughing..

Oh oh.. and when your sisters in law and mother in law made your bed.. laugh.gif it’s EPIC!!!

The Egg and break the glass ceremony 😅😅 hubby too excited crunched the egg, and it’s splashed all around my face+clothes laugh.gif

And thousands beautiful experiences that I couldn’t write down here or I’ll hijack this thread completely 🤣🤣
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jan 16 2020, 09:06 PM)
ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE NOT MY FUTURE NEPHEW IN LAW MASQUERADING AS A /Ktard POSTING IN SECRET HERE!?

Ok, ok, jokes aside, this is so surreal, I needed to read and reread it just to make sure I’m not imagining things!

Good luck once again, best wishes for a successful and memorable wedding day - and most importantly, may the wedding be just the first of many steps in synchrony between you and yours, as both of you tread upon the path in the journey of life together.
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post Jan 17 2020, 01:54 PM

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these days no one really wants to care about the dowry as they says they are not ' selling the doter'. maybe just ask your future wife la. if me i will just bring the aunt and my family to have a good dinner. prior to wedding
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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jan 15 2020, 08:14 PM)
Hi all, I am getting married soon so have been planning the wedding for the past few months.

There is 1 thing which I need some guidance on who to give dowry (or whether you think its necessary or not). Some facts:

1) She came from broken family. Parents divorced since she was a child.

2) Never seen her mother. Now that she is an adult she has zero interest in meeting her mother.

3) Father took no part in raising her up. Father only came and reconcile with her after she reach adulthood. She still acknowledge him as a father, but doesn't really respect him.

4) She was mainly raised by grandparents. Sometimes, her aunt (i.e., sister of her father) helped chip in but it was mainly still her grandparents who raised her.

Now, AFAIK according to Chinese custom, dowry is paid to thank the person who raised the bride. However like I said earlier, her father did not raise her up at all. It was the grandparents who raised her up, but they have passed away. Next in line would be her aunt, which I have consulted once and she refused to accept any dowry, simply saying its not necessary.

Some elder people I have consulted including my parents say the aunt is just being polite to refuse the first round, and I should still pay a small amount as a token to respect tradition, but would it be good for me to insist? Is the aunt really just being polite?

I would like to follow custom/tradition as closely as possible. Anyone here who is familiar with Chinese custom/tradition can advise what I should be doing?
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Firstly, congratulations.
Secondly, did u check with ya wife about dowry?
If ya wife said need, then ask ya wife view whom should get the dowry.
If ya wife said no need and u insist, then give the dowry to ya wife.
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:24 AM

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I was in your situation... ended up
my wife's aunt didn't want the dowry as they are not selling niece/grand daughter
her late grandma just said based on hokkien tradition, just a dragon-phoenix bangle is enough...
wife's immediate parents didn't attend the wedding
overall, wife's family and relatives are nice and accommodating, not too demanding

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jan 15 2020, 08:14 PM)
Hi all, I am getting married soon so have been planning the wedding for the past few months.

There is 1 thing which I need some guidance on who to give dowry (or whether you think its necessary or not). Some facts:

1) She came from broken family. Parents divorced since she was a child.

2) Never seen her mother. Now that she is an adult she has zero interest in meeting her mother.

3) Father took no part in raising her up. Father only came and reconcile with her after she reach adulthood. She still acknowledge him as a father, but doesn't really respect him.

4) She was mainly raised by grandparents. Sometimes, her aunt (i.e., sister of her father) helped chip in but it was mainly still her grandparents who raised her.

Now, AFAIK according to Chinese custom, dowry is paid to thank the person who raised the bride. However like I said earlier, her father did not raise her up at all. It was the grandparents who raised her up, but they have passed away. Next in line would be her aunt, which I have consulted once and she refused to accept any dowry, simply saying its not necessary.

Some elder people I have consulted including my parents say the aunt is just being polite to refuse the first round, and I should still pay a small amount as a token to respect tradition, but would it be good for me to insist? Is the aunt really just being polite?

I would like to follow custom/tradition as closely as possible. Anyone here who is familiar with Chinese custom/tradition can advise what I should be doing?
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Give the aunt anyway.
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post Jan 20 2020, 07:51 PM

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old tradition old norms nid2 die out. last time was like this when male buy docile female from family to raise his own family. nowaday is diff, nuclear family more common.

old family ties disappearing. female oso more independent no more stay home in kitchen. only reason to keep this traditon alive is to collect bonus if from doter.
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i also didn't give any dowry for wife parent , they just told me as long as i take good care of their daughter, they are happy enough.

i respect their decision and did not give any dowry at all. but one thing i'll keep in mind, i'll treat them exactly as my parent, whenever they need help, i'll be there.

so i guess u can do the same. no need kasi the parent la if they r useless.
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jan 17 2020, 11:45 AM)
please dont follow. make it as simple as possible. the basics should be covered, for example the tea ceremony. the rest can skip.
dowry is symbolic. not for showing off, not for selling daughter.
pledge fd rm3333 better than buying gold, or worse, platinum and diamond.

remember. your inlaw did not lose a daughter. they gained a son.

in the old days the daughter not allowed to go home after marriage, thus the money to 'take care' of the parents.
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impressive comment to me


. your inlaw did not lose a daughter. they gained a son.

you wake me up, thanks a lot!
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QUOTE(wawasan2200 @ Nov 7 2021, 06:10 PM)
impressive comment to me
. your inlaw did not lose a daughter. they gained a son.

you wake me up, thanks a lot!
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Nov 7 2021, 07:42 PM)
Angpow 9999 to her grandparents
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Most likely the wedding done since u guys late one year and 10 months. Need necro?

 

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