KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 15 — The Education Ministry and the Islamic Development Department of Malaysia each say the other is responsible for a controversial circular advising against Muslim participation in the Ponggal harvest festival.

Shortly after the ministry sent out a statement saying the views in the circular were based on Jakim’s position and guidelines, the department released its own saying that it was the ministry’s prerogative to send out the circular to schools.

Jakim also insisted that it was simply responding to the ministry’s request.


“The decision in this matter is under the ministry’s authority. Jakim only provided its views from the Islamic perspective and did not prohibit the celebrations in any way.


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“Additionally, Jakim’s shariah expert panel is also of the opinion that it is permissible for Muslims to wish friends and neighbours who are celebrating without the intention of acknowledging their religion, and for Muslims not to belittle, demean, and insult their gods,” the department said.

Earlier, the ministry acknowledged the circular but insisted that it did not prohibit schools from celebrating the Ponggal festival.

The ministry claimed the circular was intended to allay the concerns of Muslim parents about their children’s participation in the festival.

The circular that was leaked online yesterday showed the ministry describing Ponggal as a religious festival and advised Muslims to restrain their participation if “forced” to attend these.

The document cited Jakim as saying it is “haram (forbidden)” for Muslims to join in Ponggal festivities, “especially the event where milk rice is cooked”, referring to the sweet rice that Indians cook in a pot to give thanks for a bountiful harvest.

Since then, two DAP ministers have come out to stress that Ponggal is a cultural event and not religious in nature.

The controversy is the latest related to a cultural celebration in Muslim-majority Malaysia, after a school in Puchong was forced to remove its Chinese New Year decorations over claims that this amounted to proselytising to Muslim students.https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2020/01/15/now-jakim-washes-hands-of-ministrys-ponggal-circular/18281

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jakim should just fuck off.

This post has been edited by waxppl: Jan 15 2020, 01:19 PM

as a malaysian i wish Msia gov declare ponggal as a public holiday

The letter should not exist in the first place..

If it were to be written,it should touch on these few points

Pongal is one of the celebration by Indian ppl
Promote muhibbah spirit, so everyone is okay to join
But for Muslim students, they are encourage to join but should adhere to the rules as stated in the original photo when joining.

All in all, the writer don't really know how to express the idea. That's why it's perceived wrongly.

this minister... takda pasa cari pasal...


ponggal for hindu devotees.... muslim cant celebrate.. for muslim only laah


the circular didnt said the ponggal was ban or cannot celebrate... aiyooo

Just ban this poisonous organization that makan gaji buta, tangkap basah, provide no benefit but creates lots of liability.
Cancer to society.

What Jakim said is true. I don't belip they got balls to come out with funny things without being ordered.

In Malaysia only one religion they think got insulted

All cowards, in the end like PDRM. "Setakat nasihat saja"

Actually, it's true, JAKIM has no power to enforce a lot of things. They are the central body where people "refer to for coordinating and managing anything about Islam in Malaysia".

So when people ask, "can a Muslim celebrate Ponggal?" for example, they will do some reading and meeting and come up with a unified statement: "No you can't".

But can they enforce it? NO. Can they sue somebody who celebrated it? NO. Can they instruct other bodies or authorities to adopt their stand? NO.

However, if any authoritative body decide to adopt it, then it can be enforced. So I think in the issue of Ponggal celebration, it's on KPM.

whose instruction to send out the letter?

does such "instruction" exists when BN was gov?

Pongal is harvest festival. Hindus respect the mother earth and sun for providing facilities.. there is nothing beyond this.. If you dont like stay away. but dont impose fanatics rule on kids

MOE wasting time on stupid issues. H1N1 spreading in schools should be looked into not on whether Muslims should attend a festive celebration. Are people so stupid that they need to be told what can be celebrated and what cannot be celebrated. Does Jakim has a direct line to God or is merely heresay?

now u create hatred among indias.. good.. u win liao

support.
every public holiday are welcome

dont have power to enforce alot of things?

but take video of nekid couple can right?

hearsay


and hearsay

Itu JAWI, JAIS, JAIJ etc (all the states got one). Not JAKIM.

This

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...als-way/1784642

The reply macam copy and paste from the issue last time...
These snakes are dishonourable. Busukkan nama je.

Kak Ros pun bagi nasihat mah...

wah only 2 DAP menteri

kalah teruk

the other troll managed to get 7 menteri

cmon JAKIM so shit must bubar . useless.

Just kasi this stupid JAKIM tutup kedai and let Ministry decides 100%. Then there is nobody eles to blame. JAKIM is a farking waste of taxpayer's money.

damn didnt know we have so many

apa beza semua tu?

Nope Jakim should not fuck off. But Jakim should fuck those who use them to make a statement. Especially those "country fuckers" responsible for the first line in the letter that says consultation from Jakim. Must weed out these bangsa country fuckers.

Later harvest festival in sabah will come another statement say larangan by jakim lg.

G25 finds formation of Jakim, National Council of Islamic Affairs unconstitutional!
THE federal Islamic Development Department (Jakim) is unconstitutional as no law in Malaysia allows for its establishment, said a former senior judge.

Former Court of Appeal judge Hishamudin Yunus said Jakim was created through an administrative decision and was originally intended to serve as a secretariat for the Council of Rulers.

Chinese Hate: Achievement Unlocked
India Hate: Achievement Unlocked

This post has been edited by 8bitguy: Jan 15 2020, 03:58 PM

Sultan Johor: Why does JAKIM need RM1b budget?

Each state has its own Jabatan Agama. This is because under Syariah law, the affairs of Muslims are under the purview of the ruler (back then, it was the Sultans). And because we formed a federation, we didn't dissolve our stately powers. Hence each states retain its own sovereignty on how to deal with anything regarding Islamic laws under their own Jabatan Agama Negeri/Wilayah.

Here's where it gets tricky. Imagine one Sultan decided "There is no rape in marriage" and another Sultan decided otherwise. A husband could potentially abuse his wife continuously so long as he did so in that particular state. So there will be no standard.

This is why JAKIM was established. To become a central reference or advisory board to all the states so that they can standardize everything. If there's a new issue/problem, JAKIM will study and come up with a solution.

But it is still up to the individual state to impose or implement.

then why not have jakim to oversea all states together?

and the sultan can decide together on a round table or something instead of each state have their own regulation

Need to change the Federal Constitution

When it come to fuck .. agama dont care?? Halal can cucuk non-Halal.. (Red Sofa case)

When the going gets tough blame someone and cuci tangan at the same time. It works.

Nekkid lain kira. Must rush in watch first hand, take video and gosok bebird.

Like always. People ask, jakim jawab for muslim, but bodo yg butthurt. Apa jadah

Lately the sensitivity is getting worse.

I hope I'm wrong here.

Biasa la. Kepochi.

I correc*ed yor commen*, les* i* insul*, hur* or shake someone's fai*h.

Okay lah, asyik Cainis yang kena, now yindian pulak baru fair.

Deep state is very real.

Weak racing always need to be protect.

jakim satu hari tak racing boleh mati punya.

So who the f is asking irresponsible questions to Jakim

that's the real culprit lol

need to play the blame game of hot potato....let see who have it the last

I’m very confuse
Why are Malays so happily being followers
Down to what u wear, what u eat, what u do etc
Born straightaway a religion thrown to ur face already
I just don’t get it
Why would Malays listen to jakim

This post has been edited by taiping...: Jan 15 2020, 08:45 PM

U are generalizing dude. Do u even know what jakim is.

Not really. Do enlighten

There are malays who are not even muslims. And jakim is just a department in the federal gov with no authority whatsoever. They can only advice gov on whatever related to islam. They do at times give advice to the general public, but its considered as their extra work, its not part of their duty.

And the keyword here is advice. Doesnt mean need to follow.

U realize now how stupid u sound?

This post has been edited by silent_stalker: Jan 15 2020, 09:00 PM

I don’t mean just jakim la

The law............ Except smoking cause that one OK.

JAKIM is overseeing all the states right now.

They just don't have the power or authority to enforce anything. Doing so would undermine the powers of the states.

When will these people wake up?

The fuckin irony here is the same bodo that say muslim should be allowed to celebrate poggal festival just because its not religious but just a custom is the same bodo that mengelupur tngk 3 pages explaining what is the jawi writing on our currency etc because it is can turn people to Islam..

Already wrong, now want to pusing.

Its ok. I understand. Stupid people like that 1

manufacturing industry can't relate.

7 menteri so what!
The school CNY decor already taken down after sat
Now now news liao

only good at wasting money

jakim is a not so useful department but got billions budget every years. figure

>lulz at supergampang
Nearlee

So u’re saying the dept is useful la bongok memang bongok

Put down again? How you know if no news?

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hmm

Should b alowed lain, must learn lain. Pls understand d diference. Nobody can force anybody to celebrate anything if the don wan to.

True but they try so hard to be in power.

My kid study there mah
Decor only on the main staircase stay. The rest all taken down.

So in the end PUTRA win also, not suprised.

Worth billions.

Hypothetically, since the matter of Islamic religion is under the jurisdiction & purview of states, would it not be possible if the function of JAKIM be relegated into an inter-state agency, instead of centralised at the federal level? As such they're answerable to the state governments & their respective rulers directly, instead of an instrument for the federal government?

Therefore, the staffs shall be derived, seconded from the States, instead of being a federal employee, and the budgetary allocation will be derived from the contribution of each states instead of from the federal coffer.

This also shall prevent the perception that the federal government is interfering with the state jurisdiction on religious matter.

Just an opinion. Maybe there are parts of this idea that I'm ignorant of and blindsided about..

Because as per my knowledge, before its establishment, it used to be a secretariat for the Rulers Council, is it not?

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2020, 01:27 PM

Puchong not for human study one.

Which is the reason the learned fellows says it has gone by the constitution!?

Jakim is federal. They act to synchinize differences between states.

I think so.

Which is why the suggestion to "defederalise" (if there's such a word) it and refine its role & position. Not abolish it, but to relegate the function & accountability back to the state without federal interference.

Relegate the function as such it is answerable directly to the conference of rulers & the state government, deriving budget & personnel from the states as well. Thus, maintaining their "coordination" function, as it'll be an inter-state agency.

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2020, 01:37 PM

Instead of educating, the Ministry of Education indulges in chaos making via the issuance of dim witted statements that has nothing to do with education.

somebody in jakim obviously fuked up because they issued an official response without really doing research into the subject. they should just own up to it and apologies.

instead they try to taichi macam bangang.

Since when these officials apologize?

Maybe they build 50 stories tower each year otherwise how to use 1b

I think there's already specific areas of responsibility or jurusdiction between jakim and majlis agama islam negeri-negeri.

In any case jakim is under JPM and not conference of rulers.

Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..

Now that u mention it, only i know there's so much majlis n jabatan agama in one state. Wont they overlapped each other in terms of functions n regularities??

I don't know how their roles & functions are being divided, or if there's any overlapping jurisdiction. That's why I'm asking the question.

Isit only selangor or other states have the same majlis n jabatan agama as well??

Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS)
http://www.mais.net.my/

Majlis: Badan Penggubal
Pengurusan: Istana (Sultan)
Fungsi: Pengurusan zakat, wakaf dan baitulmal

Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS)
http://www.jais.gov.my/

Jabatan: Badan Perlaksana
Pengurusan: Kerajaan Negeri (Menteri)
Fungsi: Menegakkan syiar Islam dengan fungsi yang digariskan, antara lain menjaga dan mengurus kerja-kerja berkaitan hal ehwal orang-orang Islam seperti ibadah, pelajaran, nikah kahwin, harta pusaka, baitulmal, wakaf, khairat dan urusan berhubung Mahkamah Syariah.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Jan 16 2020, 02:23 PM

In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.

Yup. Got it bro. Thanks



This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM

But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??

Enough said lah. Enemies of Islam keep attacking Jais for fulfilling their responsibilities. They do not want Islam to be stronger nor Muslims to be unified. You can see their comments in threads like this. The Jais is doing their job well, the people get butthurt because they want Malays and Muslims to become weak, to be headless, to be liberal.

Yes. Just like judiciary, legislative and executive being part of federal government.

TYT I suppose, or probably YdPA, in the event the TYT is a non-Muslim.

But that's just a personal guess-work.

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2020, 02:18 PM

So it is just misunderstanding. Brothers and sisters fight also.

Here we go with ur imaginary enemies here n there again. Funny how u keep pointing out ppl commenting bout ur religion, trying to weaken ur religion n people, but at the same time turning a blind eyes towards what happen the other way. N btw, if ur faith is strong, nobody can ever do or shake ur belief. But here u r, trying to portray others as enemies, when u urself aint doing that much better toward others in the 1st place. Keep playing victim dude. Keep it going.

This post has been edited by Pipopipo: Jan 16 2020, 02:26 PM

Refer to Article 3.3 in the constitution.

Are you not the enemy?