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post Jan 16 2020, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM)
Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..
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Now that u mention it, only i know there's so much majlis n jabatan agama in one state. Wont they overlapped each other in terms of functions n regularities??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:11 PM)
I don't know how their roles & functions are being divided, or if there's any overlapping jurisdiction. That's why I'm asking the question.
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Isit only selangor or other states have the same majlis n jabatan agama as well??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:15 PM)
In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.
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But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM)
Enough said lah. Enemies of Islam keep attacking Jais for fulfilling their responsibilities. They do not want Islam to be stronger nor Muslims to be unified. You can see their comments in threads like this. The Jais is doing their job well, the people get butthurt because they want Malays and Muslims to become weak, to be headless, to be liberal.
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Here we go with ur imaginary enemies here n there again. Funny how u keep pointing out ppl commenting bout ur religion, trying to weaken ur religion n people, but at the same time turning a blind eyes towards what happen the other way. N btw, if ur faith is strong, nobody can ever do or shake ur belief. But here u r, trying to portray others as enemies, when u urself aint doing that much better toward others in the 1st place. Keep playing victim dude. Keep it going.

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM)
Refer to Article 3.3 in the constitution.
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Okie. Always nice to learn something new every other day. Will try google it later. N thanks.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM)
Are you not the enemy?
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So by asking trying to know more n commenting makes me one?? Ok.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:31 PM)
I'm asking.
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N that's my answer to ur question. How u choose to interpret it, i had no control over it.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 02:37 PM)
Based on the comments here, it is clear that plenty of people do not like Islam. Now I do not hate anyone, I am not a racist like a good number here who would judge people based on their religion nor race. But plenty of people here apply stereotypes to certain people just because they just happens to be the race and holds onto the religion of such stereo type

You have such qualities, which makes you unfit to unit Malaysians. It is ok to believe in stereotype, but it becomes a problem when you blanket apply the stereotype to everyone of that race.
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Talk about stereotyping. Funny how u earlier on other thread kept saying nons kept chiding muslim n malays in this forum, conveniently leaving out the same thing happens at other socmed platforms, only this time the other way round. If wanna talk all mighty n high, at least try pretend like one as well.
U talk about qualities. Doesn't seem u urself got a lot of it as well. N which part of me blanket apply to everyone of that race u mention?? The only person i cover is u, n u only. So who's the one trying to streotype here??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 02:37 PM)
Based on the comments here, it is clear that plenty of people do not like Islam. Now I do not hate anyone, I am not a racist like a good number here who would judge people based on their religion nor race. But plenty of people here apply stereotypes to certain people just because they just happens to be the race and holds onto the religion of such stereo type

You have such qualities, which makes you unfit to unite Malaysians. It is ok to believe in stereotypes because they exist for a reason, but it is not OK to blanket apply the stereotype to everyone of that race. For example, the stereotype is that Chinese are cheats; it would be wrong for me to assume a Mr Chin that just started working in the neighboring office to be a cheater. Likewise, Malays are easygoing with their life, it is racist for you to assume that Jamal that was promoted over you in the company is for nothing.

Your thoughts are very elementary; you cannot differentiate stereotypes vs racism, which is why we are having this debate

edit: Also two wrongs do not make a right mate. If you believe that the policies in Malaysia are racist, you claim that I am turning a blind eye (I am not), in turn you yourself are using these excuses to be racist. So you admit to being a racist. Congratulations.

The national policies are beyond me, I am not a politician and yet I practice my basic powers that is voting in the election; you cannot demand that I take action beyond what I already have for the rights of my people, especially when racists like you keep attacking Jakim.

But you on the other hand is caught spewing racially-inclined thoughts. You believe that because the national policy of the country can be racially-biased (debatable, and for another time), you use that as an excuse to be a full-blown racist on a personal level.

See what I mean when I said that you are not fit to unite the country, because deep down... your heart is black like a coal
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N since u edit what u post n make it a long putar halim, now show me which part did i attack jakim?? Please kindly show it.

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 02:52 PM)
Like I said, you do not know the difference between stereotypes and racism. There is very little to discuss with someone who does not realize his racially-inclined intentions.

Not to mention that you expect me to control the actions of the governments (their policies) as well the actions of those on the social media platform - I can't I am but one person. But hey, there is you. You can control yourself, keep yourself to be too racially-inclined; but you refuse

You keep using other people's actions as an excuse to be racist yourself, as a means for retaliation.

So does that make you good or bad? Like I said, heart as black as coal. Stop all these nonsense and just be better. Stop applying stereotypes onto others; see the person for who he is. You will see colors, without doubt, but only you can stop applying those stereotypes according to the colors.

Or not and remain a person with /k/ mindset
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Now back to my question again, which part of me there attack jakim??

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 02:55 PM)
Not you personally perhaps, but there many like you in this thread and others as well that are attacking Jakim. You dislike when Jakim is fulfilling their duties for the betterment of Islam and Muslims alike. The crux of the matter, Muslims being told not to celebrate other people's festivities have nothing to do with people like you, but you like to interfere and claim what is not - "it is a cultural, not religion". Nope, in Islam, these are considered religious festivity and it is within the rights of the highest authority of Islamic faith to as they are required
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So r u basically saying now that u just accused me of sumthing i never did??
There's no need for u to make it a long putar halim.
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post Jan 16 2020, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(bumpo @ Jan 16 2020, 03:15 PM)
there you go. thats your problem right there
you're now at a point where you cannot even tell apart cultural festival vs. religious festival
ever wondered where you went wrong? how come you dont know where the line between cultural and religion is?
how come you are so blinded or ignorance of the difference?  hmm.gif

what? u dare persoal?! u enemy of islam!!
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Jangan bai. Nanti he's gonna make it into a long putar halim again.

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