

The ACTUAL "MoE" letter about pongal festival.
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Jan 15 2020, 10:03 AM, updated 6y ago
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Read carefully. /k "BODO" who failed BM, please don't comments.
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Jan 15 2020, 10:05 AM
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Got real & fake version?
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Jan 15 2020, 10:06 AM
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Now need to give surat / statement in 4 bahasa
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Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 AM) sounds fair .. just a cautionary letter for muslims there are ppl out there purposely pitting the races against each other ... as individuals we need to know what is right and wrong and reject all those news/ppl who want to pit us against each other for their selfish/political gains. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:16 AM
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Actually that's fair, and should be common sense among us
Been doing that for the whole time actually, dunno what's the issue |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM) sounds fair .. just a cautionary letter for muslims Yes. I don't understand why that kula tries to be so dramatic about it. there are ppl out there purposely pitting the races against each other ... as individuals we need to know what is right and wrong and reject all those news/ppl who want to pit us against each other for their selfish/political gains. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:19 AM
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Deep state. Agenda menjathukan ph.
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Jan 15 2020, 10:21 AM
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Fair indeed, we also don't expect you to join for prayers, just come and see the rice boil over and have some rice..
The rice, blessed with prosperity and fortune should be shared among all... The prayer is just a "thanks for the harvest, keep giving us good weather and fertile soils for next season too" |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Jan 15 2020, 10:21 AM) Fair indeed, we also don't expect you to join for prayers, just come and see the rice boil over and have some rice.. srs questionThe rice, blessed with prosperity and fortune should be shared among all... The prayer is just a "thanks for the harvest, keep giving us good weather and fertile soils for next season too" indians work in padi fields? i tot mainly rubber plantation... |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM) sounds fair .. just a cautionary letter for muslims Should ask that Ramasamy guy. Sat lagi orang kata dia LTTE, marah pulak.there are ppl out there purposely pitting the races against each other ... as individuals we need to know what is right and wrong and reject all those news/ppl who want to pit us against each other for their selfish/political gains. This post has been edited by frossonice: Jan 15 2020, 10:23 AM |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:25 AM
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Bodo people making issue out of nothing
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Jan 15 2020, 10:25 AM
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But still why jakim wants to dictate any ministry guideline? Did the ministry asked for other opinions from other Muslim scholars or even get feedback from Hindu religion scholars? Questions, questions
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Jan 15 2020, 10:25 AM
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ok. understood.
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Jan 15 2020, 10:25 AM
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Ini ke memasak nasi susu?
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Jan 15 2020, 10:30 AM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:31 AM
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half truths selit masuk in the statement
for example the kalung bunga is not a religious artifact but being implied to be one |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:32 AM
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year 2020, festival thingy just join or no join
make it so complicated need letter bla bla bla kek |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:32 AM
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"jika terpaksa"
hahahahahaha |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:32 AM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(frossonice @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 AM) do u believe he's actively involved with LTTE ? plotting for LTTE to attack malaysia ? CIA la Interpol la ... would be monitoring such individuals ... again ..his case is just typical politcal attack ... |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:35 AM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:36 AM
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This thing also need letter?
Wow. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:37 AM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM
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so? all this letter does is spread extremism and making it illegal for muslims to join in and celebrate other people culture, and thus making anyone that invite them illegal too.
lol doesnt help anything |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM
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No Jawi don't understand
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Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM
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Don't you guys find it STUPID that the Ministry of Education needs to issue such circular but not JAKIM? If JAKIM already did this for many years, why MOE needs to do this?
Are muslims in all malaysia generally that dumb and not trust worthy of their religion that they need to be reminded all the time what to do? Seriously? That dumb? |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM
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Very strange Muslim need letter tells them what to do. I don't see the Pope sending letters to Ministry Education telling Christians how to behave celebrating Ponggal......or Dhalai Lama or Hindu priest telling Hindus and Buddhist how to behave celebrating Christmas...
I think this Jakim is just redundant and create controversy |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:40 AM
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Insecurity? Why need constant reminding?
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Jan 15 2020, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM) Don't you guys find it STUPID that the Ministry of Education needs to issue such circular but not JAKIM? If JAKIM already did this for many years, why MOE needs to do this? My points exactly. Really wonderful, great job Malaysia.Are muslims in all malaysia generally that dumb and not trust worthy of their religion that they need to be reminded all the time what to do? Seriously? That dumb? |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:41 AM
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once again jakim proved that muslim are............
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Jan 15 2020, 10:41 AM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:47 AM
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Tak paham why so takut orgkite membelakangkan agama?
Not sure if orgkite that weak in their faith or politikus agenda... Anyhow, kesian takde kebebasan beragama... |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM) Are muslims in all malaysia generally that dumb and not trust worthy of their religion that they need to be reminded all the time what to do? Seriously? That dumb? zaman masa dulu 5 waktu tak pakai loud speaker, zaman sekarang pakai........ This post has been edited by geelim77: Jan 15 2020, 10:49 AM |
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The fact of the matter is, why ministry of education? I already pointed out many times their duty is to educate and only in education. That means language and science. Respect of culture does not mean 1 big ass country crest and you can tell everyone that this is wrong because of some religion.
The bloody letter starts by using JAKIM as a shield and excuse!! That s a problem!! These idiot ministers keep doing that! |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(catherintherye @ Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM) Very strange Muslim need letter tells them what to do. I don't see the Pope sending letters to Ministry Education telling Christians how to behave celebrating Ponggal......or Dhalai Lama or Hindu priest telling Hindus and Buddhist how to behave celebrating Christmas... Its for the "mudah keliru" groupI think this Jakim is just redundant and create controversy |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jan 15 2020, 11:38 AM) Don't you guys find it STUPID that the Ministry of Education needs to issue such circular but not JAKIM? If JAKIM already did this for many years, why MOE needs to do this? yes, just like the nons who thinks jawi will make the kids muslimsAre muslims in all malaysia generally that dumb and not trust worthy of their religion that they need to be reminded all the time what to do? Seriously? That dumb? i am against jawi just because its a waste of time, same as chinese calligraphy which is a torture and an utterly useless skill after graduating. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 AM) so? all this letter does is spread extremism and making it illegal for muslims to join in and celebrate other people culture, and thus making anyone that invite them illegal too. i dont see anything extreme in the letter. it does not prohibit muslims from joining the celebration ..what letter are u reading ? lol doesnt help anything |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:52 AM
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So what rama and kula butthurt about is not necessary. Please move on.
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Jan 15 2020, 10:52 AM
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2020, still need ppl to remain you to have common sense.
I go ponggal also don't wear pakaian Sami la adui |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:53 AM
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kecian u ppl in semenanjung.. perkara cam ni pun mau huha harroom sini sana.. gi lar ke sabah/sarawak no problem also
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Jan 15 2020, 10:53 AM
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What is nasi susu? sounds juicy
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Jan 15 2020, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jan 15 2020, 10:52 AM) Damn blardy sad. the basis of all.QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jan 15 2020, 10:52 AM) 2020, still need ppl to remain you to have common sense. Do not under estimate the stupidity of (sort of) woke meleis.I go ponggal also don't wear pakaian Sami la adui |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:55 AM
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Still sounds stupid, during bn era never has such statement restricting rakyat to celebrate own rakyat celebration.
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Jan 15 2020, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM) i dont see anything extreme in the letter. it does not prohibit muslims from joining the celebration ..what letter are u reading ? if a government have to come out and sent an official letter to call out another group celebration ILLEGAL to celebrate for certain group, if its not extremism i donno what is. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:56 AM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:56 AM
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so the word "haram" and "terpaksa" didnt ring any bell? i guess i dont understand bahasa malaysia enough
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Malaya and their forever R&R shiat
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Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM
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and why the fuck is the MOE receiving orders from JAKIM??
i guess islamization of our education is imminent then |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(geelim77 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:48 AM) Dude. Where i am living the surau used a beduk to announce prayer hours. Then got massive money to upgade the surau to masjid and the PA is abused kaw kaw. The old people are the ones that causes lots of problem by using Islam as a shield. They are playing nasyid songs at times for no reason at all. I went there to see if there are any events happening and there was nothing! Its like these people does not care for other people already except their right to do things they think they can because of their belief. And my beef on this is because the sound is so loud that my DIY youtube video got claimed by an arabic channel for using their music as soundtrack!! |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:58 AM
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Issues like this makes me feel sometimes Sabah and Sarawak are better off as separate countries.
Coz Dont want this poison to infect our societies here. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 AM) basically it's a reminder letter saying something like "u can attend CNY gathering, but remember, it's haram to consume alcohol or participate in gambling".my problem is wit the part, "jika terpaksa orang muslim boleh hadir dgn syarat............" dude, it's like saying people r force to attend events. it's more like "every1 is welcome to com learn our culture & celebration". |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM) and why the fuck is the MOE receiving orders from JAKIM?? It is MOE that is seeking consultation based on how the letter is written. The kepala ular is in MOE not JAKIM. If they are in cohorts no one knows.i guess islamization of our education is imminent then |
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM) Dude. Where i am living the surau used a beduk to announce prayer hours. Then got massive money to upgade the surau to masjid and the PA is abused kaw kaw. The old people are the ones that causes lots of problem by using Islam as a shield. They are playing nasyid songs at times for no reason at all. I went there to see if there are any events happening and there was nothing! Its like these people does not care for other people already except their right to do things they think they can because of their belief. Perlis got directive that only azan can use loud speaker. Ceramah ka baca quran all cannot even whole kampung muslim.And my beef on this is because the sound is so loud that my DIY youtube video got claimed by an arabic channel for using their music as soundtrack!! |
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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Jan 15 2020, 10:22 AM) India one of the main economy is agriculture... So hence we continue that culture here lo...Kinda sesat case considering none of us Malaysian Indian do much farming... But hey, culture is culture, what to do.... |
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM) Dude. Where i am living the surau used a beduk to announce prayer hours. Then got massive money to upgade the surau to masjid and the PA is abused kaw kaw. The old people are the ones that causes lots of problem by using Islam as a shield. They are playing nasyid songs at times for no reason at all. I went there to see if there are any events happening and there was nothing! Its like these people does not care for other people already except their right to do things they think they can because of their belief. sorry for laughing And my beef on this is because the sound is so loud that my DIY youtube video got claimed by an arabic channel for using their music as soundtrack!! |
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:58 AM) basically it's a reminder letter saying something like "u can attend CNY gathering, but remember, it's haram to consume alcohol or participate in gambling". Terpaksa as in for cikgu muslim yg mengajar kat sekolah tamil or even muslim student there. Kalau tak pergi, potong markah.my problem is wit the part, "jika terpaksa orang muslim boleh hadir dgn syarat............" dude, it's like saying people r force to attend events. it's more like "every1 is welcome to com learn our culture & celebration". |
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Jan 15 2020, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:18 AM) yeah i don't understand why you need to write such letter in the first place.Jakim is jakim. busy body in Education matter for what. I believed they afraid their people easily swayed of course. Other religion don't do that. it's up to people . |
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Jan 15 2020, 11:02 AM
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Sad day for Malaysia.
2020 already and still like this... |
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM) Dude. Where i am living the surau used a beduk to announce prayer hours. Then got massive money to upgade the surau to masjid and the PA is abused kaw kaw. The old people are the ones that causes lots of problem by using Islam as a shield. They are playing nasyid songs at times for no reason at all. I went there to see if there are any events happening and there was nothing! Its like these people does not care for other people already except their right to do things they think they can because of their belief. plot twist, they probably know u r making yt video and they just want to troll uAnd my beef on this is because the sound is so loud that my DIY youtube video got claimed by an arabic channel for using their music as soundtrack!! |
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Jan 15 2020, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(catherintherye @ Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM) Very strange Muslim need letter tells them what to do. I don't see the Pope sending letters to Ministry Education telling Christians how to behave celebrating Ponggal......or Dhalai Lama or Hindu priest telling Hindus and Buddhist how to behave celebrating Christmas... . . . . need to be relevant so every year can request to increase budget allocation, it's all about money money money ....I think this Jakim is just redundant and create controversy |
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 11:01 AM) yeah i don't understand why you need to write such letter in the first place. Other religion don't do, its up to them. Jakim do, its up to them also. Why want to racing and butthurt?Jakim is jakim. busy body in Education matter for what. I believed they afraid their people easily swayed of course. Other religion don't do that. it's up to people . |
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 15 2020, 11:06 AM) . . . . need to be relevant so every year can request to increase budget allocation, it's all about money money money .... Although Christianity is also an Abrahamic religion, most of its adherents do not follow these aspects of Mosaic law and are permitted to consume pork. However, Seventh-day Adventists consider pork taboo, along with other foods forbidden by Jewish law.get the idea? |
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Jan 15 2020, 11:08 AM
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just some bodoh people spewing racial comments/statements for every little things. just look at 1st page of /k.
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Where is the Malaysia Perpaduan Education ?
If like that, dont wish/attend Deepavali CNY celebration also No wonder more R&R issue now |
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Why the F does MoE need to issue a circular on Keputusan Jakim and Pandangan Jakim?
Pls focus on thing important on education instead. blardy Ftard Also please ask those extremist.... do if they keen to work on Xmas, or CNY or Deepavali? This post has been edited by Clueless07: Jan 15 2020, 11:12 AM |
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Won't be surprised is they release another letter that says dragon/lion dance & god of prosperity is haram.
That would be even topkek. |
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Jan 15 2020, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:55 AM) if a government have to come out and sent an official letter to call out another group celebration ILLEGAL to celebrate for certain group, if its not extremism i donno what is. it is extremism only if you look at it that way. these letters are all recycled and has been written in that way over the years. time everyone start looking at the positives of things rather than pick at the negatives all the time. |
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Jan 15 2020, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(AsuKi @ Jan 15 2020, 11:08 AM) Although Christianity is also an Abrahamic religion, most of its adherents do not follow these aspects of Mosaic law and are permitted to consume pork. However, Seventh-day Adventists consider pork taboo, along with other foods forbidden by Jewish law. When Jesus came, He said there are no more unclean food so . . . . .get the idea? |
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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 15 2020, 11:13 AM) it is extremism only if you look at it that way. these letters are all recycled and has been written in that way over the years. jakim need to show their power to make sure they can demand billion of ringgit for budgettime everyone start looking at the positives of things rather than pick at the negatives all the time. |
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 11:00 AM) Terpaksa as in for cikgu muslim yg mengajar kat sekolah tamil or even muslim student there. Kalau tak pergi, potong markah. while it's not technically wrong, it's the wrong & harsh language to use.u're always welcomed to learn other culture. it's the MoE office for god sakes. language is very colorful. play around wit it to make a better sounding version. ie; instead original content of pushing the responsibility to individual, say something like; "school are not to force muslim people to participate in..............". adult teachers r deemed mature enough to know what can & cannot be done & be responsible of own actions. ie, for all i care, a muslim can join in octoberfest to enjoy the music, see the performance, interact wit people to know the culture, not necessary must drink. that doesn't make it haram. |
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stand aside too see also cannot meh?
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Based on their logic, they should warn muslims on celebrating 01/01 new year as well
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Jan 15 2020, 11:22 AM
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Minister of Education should resign over this .....
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Jan 15 2020, 11:25 AM
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menteri bodoh mana yang butthurt ni ?
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Jan 15 2020, 11:26 AM
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I dislike Kula and Ramasamy.
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Jan 15 2020, 11:27 AM
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Ktards is always and eveready bodo one, no need proof or evidence.
Their bodoness is pure, not mixed with water one. somemore, some nons even tries to teach muslim how to be muslim. smh. |
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i guess this is how mamakthir retaliates towards india palm oil ban. :x
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Jan 15 2020, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Jan 15 2020, 10:21 AM) Fair indeed, we also don't expect you to join for prayers, just come and see the rice boil over and have some rice.. Next, will be Kaamatan and Gawai, also will come out letter like this.The rice, blessed with prosperity and fortune should be shared among all... The prayer is just a "thanks for the harvest, keep giving us good weather and fertile soils for next season too" |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(cassian948 @ Jan 15 2020, 11:27 AM) Ktards is always and eveready bodo one, no need proof or evidence. Some muslims dunno how to be muslims but want nons to respect them and give up the nons way of life what.Their bodoness is pure, not mixed with water one. somemore, some nons even tries to teach muslim how to be muslim. smh. |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:21 PM
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yg penting sekali, jgn hina tuhan tuhan mereka.!
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QUOTE(hkindaichi @ Jan 15 2020, 11:07 AM) Other religion don't do, its up to them. Jakim do, its up to them also. Why want to racing and butthurt? Jakim rules muslim. itu dia punya pasal but once u advise MOE. u sudah cross border.u can do it in mosque. stay where u are. if the indian want to do this ceremony, malay want to join, itu bukan Jakim punya pasal already because that platform doesn't belong to them. |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:24 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:16 AM) Actually that's fair, and should be common sense among us What's the point of saying this when previously it was not needed?Been doing that for the whole time actually, dunno what's the issue Will MOE issue letters in future warning non Muslims not to take part in Hari Raya celebrations? |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:28 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Jan 15 2020, 12:19 PM) Sigh, we've been celebrating this for decades and there's no public holiday for this event. Don't know why it suddenly becomes an issue.At school also all races will come and eat it and it's usually done by the Indian/Tamil language Society Club closely monitored by the Indian teacher in charge... |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Jan 15 2020, 11:16 AM) while it's not technically wrong, it's the wrong & harsh language to use. Agree. Surely there must be 1 fella who scored A1 in SPM BM or has a degree in Sastera Melayu?u're always welcomed to learn other culture. it's the MoE office for god sakes. language is very colorful. play around wit it to make a better sounding version. ie; instead original content of pushing the responsibility to individual, say something like; "school are not to force muslim people to participate in..............". adult teachers r deemed mature enough to know what can & cannot be done & be responsible of own actions. ie, for all i care, a muslim can join in octoberfest to enjoy the music, see the performance, interact wit people to know the culture, not necessary must drink. that doesn't make it haram. |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Jan 15 2020, 12:33 PM) Sigh, we've been celebrating this for decades and there's no public holiday for this event. Don't know why it suddenly becomes an issue. It only shows the hyprocisy la. At school also all races will come and eat it and it's usually done by the Indian/Tamil language Society Club closely monitored by the Indian teacher in charge... If Baca Doa during assembly no hal. This kind of thing, need to have circular. MoE is keeping religion out of schools just selectively. :Slow hand clap: This post has been edited by dickybird: Jan 15 2020, 12:36 PM |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:40 PM
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This circular is to avoid tanglung case happen again.
They do it proactively before it becomes an issue. Now circular also becomes an issue. Aiyo no hope. |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:41 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 12:41 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 12:41 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 12:41 PM
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Got muslims "terpaksa" attend Ponggal by hindu? Kek.
So far only got Nons "terpaksa" attend certain prayers in school assembly. |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:48 PM
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Ponggol is not a religious ceromony lah come on
its indian culture in my church they also did ponggol cny also give ang pow |
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Read carefully. The letter says "JAKIM says..."
so, in the end, Jakim lagi punya pasal. They have grown so large and influential that other departments and ministries are afraid of them. This post has been edited by ray123: Jan 15 2020, 12:53 PM |
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Jan 15 2020, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(adj3 @ Jan 15 2020, 12:28 PM) PAS is not that capable to even be a low level leader in ISIS .. so when u see they got related to ISIS .. u should know it is fake.and who you think relate PAS to ISIS ? the very same or another group who want to cause instability in the country la ... |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jan 15 2020, 12:48 PM) Ponggol is not a religious ceromony lah come on According to Wikipedia its religious. its indian culture in my church they also did ponggol cny also give ang pow QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 15 2020, 12:52 PM) Read carefully. The letter says "JAKIM says..." If MOE seek advice of course la JAKIM must ‘says’. I believe MoE just want to avoid tanglung case happen again. so, in the end, Jakim lagi punya pasal. They have grown so large and influential that other departments and ministries are afraid of them. |
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Sound Fair to me~
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QUOTE(se7en_bro @ Jan 15 2020, 01:01 PM) According to Wikipedia its religious. in my church the indians there have been doing it all these yearsIf MOE seek advice of course la JAKIM must ‘says’. I believe MoE just want to avoid tanglung case happen again. priest say ok its just culture thing just pray to jesus after the milk boil so after the milk boil, just pray to allah lah nobody force u to pray to the indian god This post has been edited by Raddus: Jan 15 2020, 01:05 PM |
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The MOE is very logical, its basically apply to other religion too, in opposite situation.
Because i dont think hindu will joining muslim sembahnyang, or wear kain pelikat and turban, joining the islamic rituals. But duh look at the 'over dramatic' comments. ROTFL And yet they claimed malay is racist. ![]() |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:10 PM
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What confusion. It still says haram to join there. The "forced to part" with condition like unnecessary addendum when they could just end at "haram". Or get rid of the word "haram" and just advice what to observe.
Can't wait for them to come with another letter for celebrating CNY lol. |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:16 PM
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Reading replies from /k got me thinking.
Do nons dont like muslim to be real muslim? |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 01:10 PM) What confusion. It still says haram to join there. The "forced to part" with condition like unnecessary addendum when they could just end at "haram". Or get rid of the word "haram" and just advice what to observe. It is haram. Agree should stop at that. Can't wait for them to come with another letter for celebrating CNY lol. JAKIM just give guidelines in case such situations exist. At the end it comes to the individual how he practices Islam. CNY not religious so no problem but some muslim still don’t know. |
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lulz depa ingat org muslim semua bodo ka sampai perlu keluarkan surat macam tu?
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Jan 15 2020, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 01:26 PM) Real muslim would have strong faith not swayed by simple act of joining other faith celebration. Then you dont know islam yet. Thats the reason i dont want to argue about technicality because non dont even study the religion........or u toking about the "other" version in Middle East now? But some like to use logic to dictate how religion should be. |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 01:26 PM) Real muslim would have strong faith not swayed by simple act of joining other faith celebration. I believe the issue here is acknowledging other religion, not getting swayed or get confused or whatever. .......or u toking about the "other" version in Middle East now? By joining other faith celebrations or ritual you are acknowledging its faith. That the main reason why non religion celebration is fine like CNY. |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:33 PM
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Tough being a muslim here in Malaysia.
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Jan 15 2020, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(viole @ Jan 15 2020, 01:29 PM) Then you dont know islam yet. Thats the reason i dont want to argue about technicality because non dont even study the religion. Errrr.... Cause that's how real peace and harmony is achieved. Otherwise u just end up like the war torn version Middle East where everyone use religion as excuse to go to war and wanting to wipe out all non believers.But some like to use logic to dictate how religion should be. This post has been edited by TrialGone: Jan 15 2020, 01:43 PM |
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Bangsat betul JAKIM! Nasi dan susu pun haram! Orang JAKIM tak makan nasi dan minum susu?
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Jan 15 2020, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(se7en_bro @ Jan 15 2020, 01:32 PM) I believe the issue here is acknowledging other religion, not getting swayed or get confused or whatever. ..... Kay. Just curious was kuda kepang got religion agenda? Cause it was haram by jakim also.....By joining other faith celebrations or ritual you are acknowledging its faith. That the main reason why non religion celebration is fine like CNY. |
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Jan 15 2020, 01:55 PM
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nampak salib takut.
lihat tanglung merah takut. belanga masak susu pun takut. |
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JAKIM = KPM ?
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i love moe and gap moe.
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Ini pun siap ada surat.. Aduhaii
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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM) sounds fair .. just a cautionary letter for muslims but most ppl read FB message already conclude a whole is wrong there are ppl out there purposely pitting the races against each other ... as individuals we need to know what is right and wrong and reject all those news/ppl who want to pit us against each other for their selfish/political gains. |
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 03:16 PM) Boggles my mind that smoking is tolerable but boiling rice and milk is absolute harom, need to write letter with guideline some more. See the irony. I dont see any double standard on that issue. Smoking also got fatwa haram. No guideline to smoke to make it less haram. |
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2020, 02:12 PM) Letter from the prophet to the Christians of the Saint Catherine's minastery. This is a letter which was issued by Mohammed, Ibn Abdullah, the Messenger, the Prophet, the Faithful, who is sent to all the people as a trust on the part of God to all His creatures, that they may have no plea against God hereafter. Verily God is Omnipotent, the Wise. This letter is directed to the embracers of Islam, as a covenant given to the followers of Jesus the Nazarene in the East and West, the far and near, the Arabs and foreigners, the known and the unknown. This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disbeliever and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever Christian monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection. I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells. No one is allowed to plunder these Christians, or destroy or spoil any of their churches, or houses of worship, or take any of the things contained within these houses and bring it to the houses of Islam. And he who takes away anything therefrom, will be one who has corrupted the oath of God, and, in truth, disobeyed His Messenger. Jizya should not be put upon their judges, monks, and those whose occupation is the worship of God; nor is any other thing to be taken from them, whether it be a fine, a tax or any unjust right. Verily I shall keep their compact, wherever they may be, in the sea or on the land, in the East or West, in the North or South, for they are under My Protection and the testament of My Safety, against all things which they abhor. No taxes or tithes should be received from those who devote themselves to the worship of God in the mountains, or from those who cultivate the Holy Lands. No one has the right to interfere with their affairs, or bring any action against them. Verily this is for aught else and not for them; rather, in the seasons of crops, they should be given a Kadah for each Ardab of wheat as provision for them, and no one has the right to say to them 'this is too much', or ask them to pay any tax. As to those who possess properties, the wealthy and merchants, the poll-tax to be taken from them must not exceed twelve drachmas a head per year. They shall not be imposed upon by anyone to undertake a journey, or to be forced to go to wars or to carry arms; for the Muslims have to fight for them. Do no dispute or argue with them, but deal according to the verse recorded in the Quran, to wit: ‘Do not dispute or argue with the People of the Book but in that which is best’. Thus they will live favored and protected from everything which may offend them by the Callers to religion, wherever they may be and in any place they may dwell. Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents. They must not be forced to carry arms or stones; but the Muslims must protect them and defend them against others. It is positively incumbent upon every one of the follower of Islam not to contradict or disobey this oath until the Day of Resurrection and the end of the world. ![]() |
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Jan 15 2020, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(doppatroll @ Jan 15 2020, 03:11 PM) this is one time i'm gonna say this.it is a muslim thing .. why non muslims want to kay poh ? seriously don't get it ... it didnt sound that bad tbh ..just typical recycling of letters and non muslims keep telling muslims to stay out of their own issues ...but still want to butt in into this issue ... |
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Jan 15 2020, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 15 2020, 01:06 PM) The MOE is very logical, its basically apply to other religion too, in opposite situation. I LIKE THIS. proof that not only Muslims je yang cepat/selalu gelabah, non pun sama.Because i dont think hindu will joining muslim sembahnyang, or wear kain pelikat and turban, joining the islamic rituals. But duh look at the 'over dramatic' comments. ROTFL And yet they claimed malay is racist. ![]() mALAYSIAN SPIRIT!!!! |
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Jan 15 2020, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 03:24 PM) Letter from the prophet to the Christians of the Saint Catherine's minastery. This is a letter which was issued by Mohammed, Ibn Abdullah, the Messenger, the Prophet, the Faithful, who is sent to all the people as a trust on the part of God to all His creatures, that they may have no plea against God hereafter. Verily God is Omnipotent, the Wise. This letter is directed to the embracers of Islam, as a covenant given to the followers of Jesus the Nazarene in the East and West, the far and near, the Arabs and foreigners, the known and the unknown. This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disbeliever and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever Christian monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection. I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells. No one is allowed to plunder these Christians, or destroy or spoil any of their churches, or houses of worship, or take any of the things contained within these houses and bring it to the houses of Islam. And he who takes away anything therefrom, will be one who has corrupted the oath of God, and, in truth, disobeyed His Messenger. Jizya should not be put upon their judges, monks, and those whose occupation is the worship of God; nor is any other thing to be taken from them, whether it be a fine, a tax or any unjust right. Verily I shall keep their compact, wherever they may be, in the sea or on the land, in the East or West, in the North or South, for they are under My Protection and the testament of My Safety, against all things which they abhor. No taxes or tithes should be received from those who devote themselves to the worship of God in the mountains, or from those who cultivate the Holy Lands. No one has the right to interfere with their affairs, or bring any action against them. Verily this is for aught else and not for them; rather, in the seasons of crops, they should be given a Kadah for each Ardab of wheat as provision for them, and no one has the right to say to them 'this is too much', or ask them to pay any tax. As to those who possess properties, the wealthy and merchants, the poll-tax to be taken from them must not exceed twelve drachmas a head per year. They shall not be imposed upon by anyone to undertake a journey, or to be forced to go to wars or to carry arms; for the Muslims have to fight for them. Do no dispute or argue with them, but deal according to the verse recorded in the Quran, to wit: ‘Do not dispute or argue with the People of the Book but in that which is best’. Thus they will live favored and protected from everything which may offend them by the Callers to religion, wherever they may be and in any place they may dwell. Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents. They must not be forced to carry arms or stones; but the Muslims must protect them and defend them against others. It is positively incumbent upon every one of the follower of Islam not to contradict or disobey this oath until the Day of Resurrection and the end of the world. ![]() QUOTE Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/s...-renounce-islam This post has been edited by Sone Shin: Jan 15 2020, 03:49 PM |
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Jan 16 2020, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 12:23 PM) Jakim rules muslim. itu dia punya pasal but once u advise MOE. u sudah cross border. True story is, MoE ask JAKIM to give advice. LOL. Don't hantam without knowing the facts.u can do it in mosque. stay where u are. if the indian want to do this ceremony, malay want to join, itu bukan Jakim punya pasal already because that platform doesn't belong to them. |
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Jan 16 2020, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(hkindaichi @ Jan 16 2020, 10:59 AM) True story is jakim already infiltrate MOE and lupa pendirian sebenar. Check your facts next time. Semua .org tau except u Dino. Mazlee also installed Islamic preacher . We r not stupid. |
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Kalau terpaksa baru boleh pergi.
Wishing merry christmas fiasco all over again. |
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