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Opus Touch, Self-Service UT Platform
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 28 2020, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 28 2020, 02:09 PM) Bullet uncle mmg banyak. Guna agen itu sepenuhnya bcoz sudah bayar. Uncle can compare performance for both platforms which one suit u 👍 Tak banyak bullet la I wish I banyak Just enough to live comfortably provided myself and my wife don't fall into serious illness
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 09:32 AM
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Inside the app where do you see the historical NAV? Or we should use FSM to check?
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GrumpyNooby
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Jul 29 2020, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 09:32 AM) Inside the app where do you see the historical NAV? Or we should use FSM to check? Opus got app?
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jul 29 2020, 09:35 AM) Opus got app?  I mean their Web application
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GrumpyNooby
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Jul 29 2020, 09:38 AM
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 10:38 AM
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question again:
you see yesterday i buy that time before 4PM it was 1.0885 for RM9999 but today when the RM9999 reflected it say i bought it at 1.0893 so we wont know what is the NAV till the price is reflected the next day
this is not like stock market, you see the price u like u buy and that is your price, but for UT there is always a delay of 1 day specifically for OPUS
This post has been edited by majorarmstrong: Jul 29 2020, 10:38 AM
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GrumpyNooby
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Jul 29 2020, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 10:38 AM) question again: you see yesterday i buy that time before 4PM it was 1.0885 for RM9999 but today when the RM9999 reflected it say i bought it at 1.0893 so we wont know what is the NAV till the price is reflected the next day this is not like stock market, you see the price u like u buy and that is your price, but for UT there is always a delay of 1 day specifically for OPUS Of course that is how unit trust works. Unit trust fund (not just Opus) is collection of assets. How you can determine the future price of the assets on-hand when trading for the day is still ongoing? This post has been edited by GrumpyNooby: Jul 29 2020, 10:42 AM
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funboy555
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Jul 29 2020, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 10:38 AM) question again: you see yesterday i buy that time before 4PM it was 1.0885 for RM9999 but today when the RM9999 reflected it say i bought it at 1.0893 so we wont know what is the NAV till the price is reflected the next day this is not like stock market, you see the price u like u buy and that is your price, but for UT there is always a delay of 1 day specifically for OPUS To be simple, most or almost all UT funds are using forward pricing. The concept is because your money that booked today for example, will not participate in the pool of money of existing investors' investment that generating today's return. Hence you should not be taking yesterday price to buy in units. I hope this is simple explanation that Uncle can understand better. Why uncle invest so long in PMO funds with agents, but he never teach you and guide you all these?
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GrumpyNooby
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Jul 29 2020, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(funboy555 @ Jul 29 2020, 10:46 AM) To be simple, most or almost all UT funds are using forward pricing. The concept is because your money that booked today for example, will not participate in the pool of money of existing investors' investment that generating today's return. Hence you should not be taking yesterday price to buy in units. I hope this is simple explanation that Uncle can understand better. Why uncle invest so long in PMO funds with agents, but he never teach you and guide you all these? The PM agent just "con" him.
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(funboy555 @ Jul 29 2020, 10:46 AM) To be simple, most or almost all UT funds are using forward pricing. The concept is because your money that booked today for example, will not participate in the pool of money of existing investors' investment that generating today's return. Hence you should not be taking yesterday price to buy in units. I hope this is simple explanation that Uncle can understand better. Why uncle invest so long in PMO funds with agents, but he never teach you and guide you all these? i actually never ask all this question until recent MCO i start to learn how to invest myself bought a new laptop with touch screen then slowly learn all this so now i learn what is NAV and how NAV works
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(funboy555 @ Jul 28 2020, 10:10 AM) Uncle, fixed income fund no need to put money out money so often one. But you can always follow anikitan. Depends on uncle's risk appetite lor. and by the way, sometimes agent asks you in out in out because got commission to earn ya. i will wait for anikitan to make a buy call then i ikut saja la for now i think i should just leave the money inside dont care dont look till 3 months baru pergi tengok
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TStan_aniki
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Jul 29 2020, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 11:59 AM) i will wait for anikitan to make a buy call then i ikut saja la for now i think i should just leave the money inside dont care dont look till 3 months baru pergi tengok once drop just redeem and left 1k units inside, no need wait for my call i redeem some today as need some cash over the weekend else fri is holiday
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CSW1990
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Jul 29 2020, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 10:38 AM) question again: you see yesterday i buy that time before 4PM it was 1.0885 for RM9999 but today when the RM9999 reflected it say i bought it at 1.0893 so we wont know what is the NAV till the price is reflected the next day this is not like stock market, you see the price u like u buy and that is your price, but for UT there is always a delay of 1 day specifically for OPUS Unit trust is investment tool for long term investment.. That one you can see buy price to aim timing is stock There is no perfect investment tool, you can decide which investment tool suit the best for you.
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Jul 29 2020, 12:14 PM) once drop just redeem and left 1k units inside, no need wait for my call i redeem some today as need some cash over the weekend else fri is holiday does it mean today is 1.0893 then tomorrow (Thu) jadi 1.0890 then we jual semua Friday tutup Monday buka balik become 1.0880 (turun lagi) we dont buy back Tuesday jalan become 1.0800 we dont buy back Wed jalan become 1.0810 we buy back all that we sold i guess this is what you mean once down 1 point we jual semua let uncle cuba this concept **must left 1k minimum inside This post has been edited by majorarmstrong: Jul 29 2020, 03:26 PM
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TStan_aniki
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Jul 29 2020, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 03:25 PM) does it mean today is 1.0893 then tomorrow (Thu) jadi 1.0890 then we jual semua Friday tutup Monday buka balik become 1.0880 (turun lagi) we dont buy back Tuesday jalan become 1.0800 we dont buy back Wed jalan become 1.0810 we buy back all that we sold i guess this is what you mean once down 1 point we jual semua let uncle cuba this concept **must left 1k minimum inside yes something like that but we sell based on 1.088, then if up again we buy back around 1.081
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Jul 29 2020, 03:56 PM) yes something like that but we sell based on 1.088, then if up again we buy back around 1.081 I will report what I do to the forum here so you all can guide uncle cari makan
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 07:39 PM
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I see inside opus touch got one button label as wholesale fund Why we cannot buy?
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GrumpyNooby
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Jul 29 2020, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 07:39 PM) I see inside opus touch got one button label as wholesale fund Why we cannot buy? You need to declare yourself as "qualified or sophisticated investor" first. I believe this feature is not available in Opus Touch. Qualified InvestorAccording to the Guidelines on Wholesale Funds, issued by the Securities Commission Malaysia (SC), a "qualified" investor refers to at least one of the following: Investing as an Individual(a) an individual whose total net personal assets, or total net joint assets with his or her spouse, exceed three million ringgit or its equivalent in foreign currencies, excluding the value of the individual’s primary residence; (b) an individual who has a gross annual income exceeding three hundred thousand ringgit or its equivalent in foreign currencies per annum in the preceding twelve months; © an individual who, jointly with his or her spouse, has a gross annual income exceeding four hundred thousand ringgit or its equivalent in foreign currencies in the preceding twelve months; https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...20Investors.pdf
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TStan_aniki
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Jul 29 2020, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 29 2020, 07:39 PM) I see inside opus touch got one button label as wholesale fund Why we cannot buy? those are not unit trust https://www.opusasset.com/products/ | Unit Trust Fund | Wholesale Fund | Discretionary Mandate | | Type | Pooled Fund | Pooled Fund | Customized Account | | Availability | Retail | Sophisticated Investor | Individual, Corporate & Institutions | | Minimum Investment | RM 1,000 | RM 50,000 | RM 2,000,000 | | Reporting | Monthly Statements | Monthly Statements | Customized |
Sophisticated Investor » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « High Net-Worth Individual An individual whose total net personal assets, or total net joint assets with his or her spouse, exceeds RM3 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies, excluding the value of the individual’s primary residence. An individual who has a gross annual income exceeding RM300,000 or its equivalent in foreign currencies per annum in the preceding 12 months. An individual who, jointly with his or her spouse, has a gross annual income exceeding RM400,000 or its equivalent in foreign currencies per annum in the preceding 12 months.
High Net-Worth Entity A corporation with total net assets exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies based on the last audited accounts. A partnership with total net assets exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies. A company that is registered as a trust company under the Trust Companies Act 1949 which has assets under management exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies. A corporation that is a public company under the Companies Act 2016 which is approved by the SC to be a trustee under the CMSA and has assets under management exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies. A pension fund approved by the Director General of Inland Revenue under the Income Tax Act 1967. A statutory body established by an Act of Parliament or an enactment of any State.
Accredited Investor Central Bank of Malaysia established under the Central Bank of Malaysia Act 2009. A holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence. An executive director or chief executive officer of a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence. A unit trust scheme or a prescribed investment scheme. A closed-end fund approved by the SC. A licensed bank as defined in the Financial Services Act 2013 or a licensed Islamic bank as defined in the Islamic Financial Services Act 2013. A Labuan bank as defined in the Labuan Financial Services and Securities Act 2010. A licensed insurer as defined in the Financial Services Act 2013. An insurance licensee as defined in the Labuan Financial Services and Securities Act 2010. A takaful licensee as defined in the Labuan Islamic Financial Services and Securities Act 2010. A licensed takaful operator as defined in the Islamic Financial Services Act 2013. A private retirement scheme as defined in the CMSA.
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majorarmstrong
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Jul 29 2020, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Jul 29 2020, 08:05 PM) those are not unit trust https://www.opusasset.com/products/ | Unit Trust Fund | Wholesale Fund | Discretionary Mandate | | Type | Pooled Fund | Pooled Fund | Customized Account | | Availability | Retail | Sophisticated Investor | Individual, Corporate & Institutions | | Minimum Investment | RM 1,000 | RM 50,000 | RM 2,000,000 | | Reporting | Monthly Statements | Monthly Statements | Customized |
Sophisticated Investor » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « High Net-Worth Individual An individual whose total net personal assets, or total net joint assets with his or her spouse, exceeds RM3 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies, excluding the value of the individual’s primary residence. An individual who has a gross annual income exceeding RM300,000 or its equivalent in foreign currencies per annum in the preceding 12 months. An individual who, jointly with his or her spouse, has a gross annual income exceeding RM400,000 or its equivalent in foreign currencies per annum in the preceding 12 months.
High Net-Worth Entity A corporation with total net assets exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies based on the last audited accounts. A partnership with total net assets exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies. A company that is registered as a trust company under the Trust Companies Act 1949 which has assets under management exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies. A corporation that is a public company under the Companies Act 2016 which is approved by the SC to be a trustee under the CMSA and has assets under management exceeding RM10 million or its equivalent in foreign currencies. A pension fund approved by the Director General of Inland Revenue under the Income Tax Act 1967. A statutory body established by an Act of Parliament or an enactment of any State.
Accredited Investor Central Bank of Malaysia established under the Central Bank of Malaysia Act 2009. A holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence. An executive director or chief executive officer of a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence. A unit trust scheme or a prescribed investment scheme. A closed-end fund approved by the SC. A licensed bank as defined in the Financial Services Act 2013 or a licensed Islamic bank as defined in the Islamic Financial Services Act 2013. A Labuan bank as defined in the Labuan Financial Services and Securities Act 2010. A licensed insurer as defined in the Financial Services Act 2013. An insurance licensee as defined in the Labuan Financial Services and Securities Act 2010. A takaful licensee as defined in the Labuan Islamic Financial Services and Securities Act 2010. A licensed takaful operator as defined in the Islamic Financial Services Act 2013. A private retirement scheme as defined in the CMSA.
 @Bro GrumpyNooby @Bro TanAnaki Thanks for all the info i am not qualified and i learn something new today
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