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hazremi
post Dec 27 2019, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 26 2019, 11:14 PM)
Saw group discussion that the new coming intake of jr doctor next year plan to protest and defer from roll in the first intake of the job.
Mampus la existing Ho in hosp and MO kena tanggung workloads. No new Ho to fill in the gap left by Ho yg dah habis. uhhh this is exciting!
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dont worry..ramai lagi yang nak kerja.one thing with the malaysian..they normally sembang lebih je on social media...in the end apply jugak HO nanti tak dapat lesen nak jadi Dr...malu la dekat orang kampung, belajar tinggi2 takde keje...nak buat menantu macam mana laugh.gif

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 26 2019, 03:55 PM)
1. Around 15% from net total salary.. permenant ar? Need to ask jpa create more gov post la for it. Nowdays gov jerit jerit want to reduce penjawat awam punya numbers right..

2. Only people outside healthcare sector that and also that never go to gov klinik/ed yg always say this oversupply thing...we got oversupply med graduate..not doctors.
The post provided by gov are full yes. Why? Because it relatively about the same as years before.
And it doesnt mean yg it is equivalent and can fit with the increase of number patient come in every year.
They doesnt increase the post number accordingly.
Our malaysia doctor to patient ratio is 1.8 per 1000
Average OECD country punya ratio 3.4 per 1000
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JPA already approved 10,000 more posts for Ministry of Health

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JPA Lulus Permohonan KKM Untuk Lebih 10,000 Jawatan
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Hospital Rembau mendapat 385 bilangan jawatan.

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Mohd Khairul Adib Abd Rahman, Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Awam (kiri), menyerahkan Waran Perjawatan kepada Dr Chen Chaw Min, Ketua Setiausaha, Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia, pada 2 Disember 2019. Gambar dari fb.com/kementeriankesihatanmalaysia.
KUALA LUMPUR, 2 Dis — Kerajaan persekutuan telah mempertimbang dan meluluskan permohonan Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia (KKM) bagi mewujudkan 10,675 bilangan jawatan.

Ini ialah berdasarkan keperluan fasiliti kesihatan KKM yang telah siap dan bakal beroperasi mulai tahun ini hingga tahun depan.

“Sebagai permulaan, waran perjawatan yang mengandungi 385 perjawatan untuk Hospital Rembau, Negri Sembilan, telah diserahkan kepada YBhg Dato’ Seri Dr Chen Chaw Min, Ketua Setiausaha KKM pada hari ini.

“Jawatan ini merupakan sebahagian daripada 10,675 yang akan diagihkan secara berfasa,” Mohd Khairul Adib Abd Rahman, Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Awam, berkata dalam satu kenyataan hari ini.

“Kelulusan permohonan KKM ini mengambil kira untuk menambah baik kualiti perkhidmatan kesihatan kepada rakyat. Namun begitu, sektor-sektor perkhidmatan lain juga penting dan turut menyumbang kepada pembangunan negara. Justeru, penyelesaian isu perjawatan ini perlu dilihat secara menyeluruh dan tidak hanya tertumpu kepada satu kementerian sahaja.

“Pada tahun lepas, pelaksanaan Dasar Kawalan Saiz Perkhidmatan Awam yang telah diputuskan oleh kerajaan menyasarkan pengurangan lima peratus daripada 1.7 juta perjawatan di sektor awam bagi tempoh tiga tahun mulai dari tahun 2019 sehingga 2021. Ia adalah bertujuan untuk mengoptimumkan penggunaan sumber manusia serta meningkatkan kecekapan produktiviti dalam perkhidmatan awam.”

Pengumuman Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam tidak berkata sama ada bilangan jawatan KKM yang diluluskan adalah jawatan tetap atau kontrak.

KKM telah berkata bahawa hampir setengah daripada dua golongan pegawai perubatan siswazah (HO) kontrak yang pertama telah dilantik sebagai pegawai perubatan kontrak untuk menjalani perkhidmatan awam mereka selama dua tahun. Selepas itu, mereka diberitahu untuk mencari kerja di sektor swasta.


https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2019/12/02...-10000-jawatan/
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post Dec 27 2019, 09:02 AM

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All houseman are now on contract....if they don't turn up for work, the contract is easily withdrawn.....and the job given to the next person in the waiting list.....

So I don't think new recruits are going to do anything to jeopardize their future....

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QUOTE(hazremi @ Dec 27 2019, 09:00 AM)
JPA already approved 10,000 more posts for Ministry of Health
https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2019/12/02...-10000-jawatan/
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I understand only half is for medical officers....with the houseman tsunami at 5000 per year, this will be filled in 1 year.... then?
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post Dec 27 2019, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 27 2019, 09:09 AM)
I understand only half is for medical officers....with the houseman tsunami at 5000 per year, this will be filled in 1 year.... then?
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We need nurses more than doctor i believe..The nursing shortage at ward is really severe..
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 27 2019, 09:09 AM)
I understand only half is for medical officers....with the houseman tsunami at 5000 per year, this will be filled in 1 year.... then?
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that is the actual reason for removal of critical allowance..the demand is more than supply..15,000 post available but the supply is more than 23,000 (including medical grad who graduated from indon, russia, india)...

with industry 4.0 on the rise, less doctors will be needed as we are going to rely on Artifical Intelligence (AI) for diagnosis , heck even surgery can be performed by robot..Perhaps we need to pay critical allowance to AI laugh.gif

not only doctors, other sectors will also be gradually replaced by AI..


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Want to cut also not the newbie la Weì. Cut from those high salary doc. 750 a lot for fresh
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post Dec 27 2019, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(hazremi @ Dec 27 2019, 09:18 AM)
that is the actual reason for removal of critical allowance..the demand is more than supply..15,000 post available but the supply is more than 23,000 (including medical grad who graduated from indon, russia, india)...

with industry 4.0 on the rise, less doctors will be needed as we are going to rely on Artifical Intelligence (AI) for diagnosis , heck even surgery can be performed by robot..Perhaps we need to pay critical allowance to AI laugh.gif

not only doctors, other sectors will also be gradually replaced by AI..
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No, ai and robots will not take over.... healthcare is one area technology cannot replace humans.... trust me....
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cukurla, they cut the allowance but they increase base salary by 31%!
what more do u want?

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post Dec 27 2019, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:26 PM)
Time to bring back BN
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Bring back BN no use also..PH increased nasitional debt and people dont want GST.. We are going to become slave to Tongsan and Jepunis

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post Dec 27 2019, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 27 2019, 09:25 AM)
No, ai and robots will not take over.... healthcare is one area technology cannot replace humans.... trust me....
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The OECD released a list showing the likelihood of roles, within specific industries, becoming obsolete or automated.
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While robots may be better at quickly, efficiently and safely completing physical, predictable tasks, robots aren’t better at everything. Currently, most robots lack social and cognitive skills. They might be able to work as chatbots to answer customer questions and complaints within a given framework, but they generally lack enough empathy to adequately support or care for customers and patients.

As a result, roles that involve recognising cultural sensitivities, caring for others, creative or complex reasoning or perception and manipulation are unlikely to be automated. So, social workers, nurses, nuclear engineers, teachers and writers can rest assured that they won’t be replaced by robots any time soon.


mana doctor?? shocking.gif

https://www.changerecruitmentgroup.com/know...-future-of-work
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/20...e-to-automation

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post Dec 27 2019, 09:37 AM

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dont think AI gonna replace doctors

humans needs some other humans to sue if anything happens
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post Dec 27 2019, 09:42 AM

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Seriously think about it. What make doctor so special that every graduate will be GUARANTEED a job. All posts in jpa will need to go through interviews and interviews. To become a teacher, need to apply, interview and pass a test. Doctor is a very important job but to go in our health system, they just need to graduate from their university. No screening on their ability. Government MUST take them no matter they are good or not. Many graduated without knowing anything especially those from those cap ayam uni. Please la.... Human life is at stake and we are so lenient with doctors. Obviously government got no more money to create more posts for doctors. Why can't we choose only the best when we have lots of choices now?

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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ Dec 27 2019, 09:37 AM)
dont think AI gonna replace doctors

humans needs some other humans to sue if anything happens
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they dont completely replace DR. but can replace dr in pre-eliminary inspection.
go watch the youtube originals, the age of ai

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i think another way to see it from a balanced and unbiased perspective is the government takes ownership on the pressing need for doctors but still the limiting factor is always money

its not a glut of doctors, its a shortage of money to pay doctors causing limited posts available

simply put, gov reduces pay to new doctors so they have the resources to hire more new doctors

is it choosing the lesser evil? maybe.

but are there more lesser evils that the government can do to reduce operating costs? highly likely. Take away pensions to easily tired and easily cold single term MPs is one of them.

Politicians arent there for the long game, they are just gonna retire rich. Professionals will always be there to run the show.

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post Dec 27 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(coolcity888 @ Dec 27 2019, 09:42 AM)
Seriously think about it. What make doctor so special that every graduate will be GUARANTEED a job. All posts in jpa will need to go through interviews and interviews. To become a teacher, need to apply, interview and pass a test. Doctor is a very important job but to go in our health system, they just need to graduate from their university. No screening on their ability. Government MUST take them no matter they are good or not. Many graduated without knowing anything especially those from those cap ayam uni. Please la.... Human life is at stake and we are so lenient with doctors. Obviously government got no more money to create more posts for doctors. Why can't we choose only the best when we have lots of choices now?
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Lol..why Don't you try being in a housemanship for two years?? That is the test la!...You think housemanship is easy ka?.Many dropped out and even got suicide.
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QUOTE(coolcity888 @ Dec 27 2019, 09:42 AM)
Seriously think about it. What make doctor so special that every graduate will be GUARANTEED a job. All posts in jpa will need to go through interviews and interviews. To become a teacher, need to apply, interview and pass a test. Doctor is a very important job but to go in our health system, they just need to graduate from their university. No screening on their ability. Government MUST take them no matter they are good or not. Many graduated without knowing anything especially those from those cap ayam uni. Please la.... Human life is at stake and we are so lenient with doctors. Obviously government got no more money to create more posts for doctors. Why can't we choose only the best when we have lots of choices now?
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No need to reinvent the wheel....go see how well managed health systems in the world do this.....

Pick students carefully, that's going to be the most important step..plan numbers carefully.....no shortage, but never never surplus too...then nurture them throughout their career....pay them well.....

So yes, in these systems, they minimise wastage, no excess, ensure everybody has a good paying job.....well trained and competent....

How many of these principles we got wrong?.....lol
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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ Dec 27 2019, 10:05 AM)
i think another way to see it from a balanced and unbiased perspective is the government takes ownership on the pressing need for doctors but still the limiting factor is always money

its not a glut of doctors, its a shortage of money to pay doctors causing limited posts available

simply put, gov reduces pay to new doctors so they have the resources to hire more new doctors

is it choosing the lesser evil?  maybe.

but are there more lesser evils that the government can do to reduce operating costs?  highly likely.  Take away pensions to easily tired and easily cold single term MPs is one of them.

Politicians arent there for the long game, they are just gonna retire rich.  Professionals will always be there to run the show.
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even BN wont remove their pensions..i fought hard to form govt then i take pay cut to my salary..and i am the policy maker? BN or PH sama saja..

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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ Dec 27 2019, 09:37 AM)
dont think AI gonna replace doctors

humans needs some other humans to sue if anything happens
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sue programmer lor...
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post Dec 27 2019, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 27 2019, 10:07 AM)
Lol..why Don't you try being in a housemanship for two years?? That is the test la!...You think housemanship is easy ka?.Many dropped out and even got suicide.
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Nothing is easy in this world.... If you are good and passionate about your job, then you can manage. But if you are not capable then please leave the system even before you start killing people unintentionally.

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