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post Nov 7 2021, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Nov 7 2021, 08:10 AM)
I believe that many long-time ASNB unitholders would have already been aware of the potential impact of Prosperity Tax from Budget 2022, over ASNB dividends.
Sigh, it is possible that we are indirectly "paying" for Prosperity Tax, through possible reduction in ASNB dividends. We just have to brace for "impact".
The following article is from The Star.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-are-inevitable
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Not only that, there is a chance that your ASNB and EPF dividends paid will also be taxed, unless exemptions are given.
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post Nov 7 2021, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(MattSally @ Nov 7 2021, 04:24 PM)
As previously posted, I think there is a possibility of the declared dividends becoming affected by the prosperity tax but I can't see the (lower than would otherwise be the case) declared dividends then being taxed. That would be very unfair.

On the subject of prosperity tax, it has been called a 'one off' tax. Does that mean it will only apply for a single tax year and then be discontinued??
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Ya true for single tier system, what I said earlier would have been "double-taxation". We will know the scope of taxation soon, during second reading of Finance bill this December. Unfair indeed, but if they can grant tax relief for foreign dividends, then maybe important sources of income like EPF/ASNB would likely to be spared from the rout. EPF especially so since it serves as retirement fund (401k/IRA account in the US also tax-free until you withdraw at retirement age).

For prosperity tax based on budget 2022 yes it is one-off, industry observers are watching if this so called one-off tax will become the "new normal", given the government's failure to control its spending and desperate to find new source of revenue.

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post Nov 8 2021, 09:52 PM

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Annual Report of ASM 3 for financial year ended 30 September 2021 can be accessed at ASNB's website: www.asnb.com.my starting from 30 November 2021.

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post Nov 11 2021, 04:14 PM

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PNB invested in Goto in their latest pre-IPO funding.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/indonesi...ing-2021-11-11/

(Mandarin news from Sinchew below)

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211111/%e5%8d%...8a%95%e8%b5%84/
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post Nov 11 2021, 11:20 PM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...g-sapura-energy
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post Nov 18 2021, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Nov 18 2021, 01:29 PM)
what is FP and VP acc ?
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I think he means fixed price funds and variable price funds, not "accounts" as in ASNB member accounts.
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post Nov 25 2021, 10:36 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211125/%e5%9b%...88%98%e5%a4%a7/

PNB has difficulties finding good returns for unit holders in an era of low interest rates and lofty valuations.
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post Dec 7 2021, 06:21 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211207/%e8%82%...af%b4%e8%af%9d/

Sapura in dire financial straits. Cash flow in 1H FY 2022 almost equals to 0. Bankruptcy in the worst case.

Sapura shares (equities) account for 0.37% of ASM2's NAV in AR 2021 (September 2021), 0.53% of ASM1's NAV in AR 2021 (April 2021). Still waiting for ASM3 detailed investment list from ASNB.

The Edge report (English): https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sapu...et-sales-likely

(Mandarin): https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/%E6%...%BD%8E%E7%82%B9

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post Dec 8 2021, 09:30 PM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sapu...l-going-concern

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211208/%e6%8a%...83%82%e9%a2%9d/

Out of the 3 billion investment PNB made in Sapura back in 2019, PNB lost 2.4 billion on paper.

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post Dec 10 2021, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(MattSally @ Dec 10 2021, 05:39 PM)
All agreed. I remain quietly hopeful of at least 5% from ASB. Then, for the remainder of the year, if Omicron is controlled or is not as severe as Delta (which does look to be the case) then I can see 5% before bonus for all the remaining ASB/ASM funds.
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How much would you expect for the "bonus" portion then? tongue.gif
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post Dec 11 2021, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Dec 11 2021, 07:05 PM)
Somebody please tell me this is wrong???
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This is correct. PNB's investment in Sapura and Velesto has long been questioned by the more informed observers in the market many years back.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...rgy-and-velesto

Google "PNB Sapura" and you can find strings of news, comments, criticism, articles etc. on PNB's choice to hold a stake in the 2 O&G companies.

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post Dec 12 2021, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Dec 11 2021, 08:18 PM)
2.4b is a huge loss, can recover or not???
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Equities are always "residual ownership" of companies, so they come behind reference shares (RCPS-i) (PNB owns 98% of that), bonds (no sign of PNB holding that, based on ASM2 most recent 2021 AR) and bank loans.

The market price of bonds/RCPS can give you an indicator of how much is left to salvage if the worst comes true.

The funny thing is PNB still sees hope in this cash-burning machine.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...g-sapura-energy

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post Dec 12 2021, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(MattSally @ Dec 12 2021, 04:20 PM)
When you say 'ASM' are you referring to ASM 1, ASM 2 and ASM 3 or just one ASM fund? I am not sure how many ASM funds are invested in Sapura.
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All 3 have stakes in Sapura, but they are not directly comparable since the ARs don't show the fund holdings at the same time.

QUOTE(MNF0 @ Dec 12 2021, 07:29 PM)
Thanks for the info. Do keep us updated on the ASM3.
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Sure, still waiting for ASNB's reply. They are later than usual compared to last year. Only replied my for ASM2 nearly a month later.

By the way, ASM2's foreign equity portion has risen to 22-23% of overall NAV, based on their 2021 AR.

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post Dec 13 2021, 06:53 PM

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Sapura lost 669 million in 3Q.

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211213/%e6%b2%...%bd%e6%ba%90-3/

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sapu...tinue-weigh-its

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post Dec 20 2021, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Dec 20 2021, 11:45 AM)
They invest in sapura only using asn fund or both asn and asb?

Also anyone know what date they will announce the interest for 2022?
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I am non-bumi, so I only know about ASM, ASM2 and ASM3. However, another VP fund I own, ASN Sara 1 does not have stakes in Sapura, based on their most recent interim report.

As for dividend announcement, look for the date of "Financial Year End" here: https://www.asnb.com.my/asnbv2_2funds_EN.php#hargatetap

The next day after the end of financial year is the day when dividends will be credited into your account.



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post Dec 20 2021, 02:25 PM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/alte...expensive-folly

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/will...e-sapura-energy

Meanwhile, PNB/ASNB and EPF will not be affected by FSIE implementation.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/fore...fsie-withdrawal

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post Dec 23 2021, 07:18 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211223/%e6%b5%...8a%95%e8%b5%84/

For those who can understand Mandarin, a little comment on the part where they mention the PNB 118 tower is fully funded by "internal resources".

I think that is not true as PNB's latest annual report (2021) for ASM 2 *shows that PNB Merdeka Ventures bonds (which is the "internal resources") account for 1.77% of total fund NAV.

*(You need to email them for the full list of holdings, they just show top 20 in their published AR)

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post Dec 23 2021, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 23 2021, 11:22 PM)
just read this i think it relates to your post

Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB)’s Merdeka 118 tower is 100% owned by the fund via its wholly-owned subsidiary PNB Merdeka Ventures Sdn Bhd and the mega project is not funded by the Amanah Saham Bumiputera (ASB) unitholders, according to PNB president and group chief executive Ahmad Zulqarnain Onn.

Zulqarnain added the equity injection for the Merdeka 118 tower project is obtained by its own proprietary fund and it is supported by issuance of sukuk funds in 2016.

“In 2016, we launched Sukuk SRI Hijau Merdeka ASEAN programme and Sukuk Murabahah Merdeka,” he said during the virtual press conference on ASB dividend announcement on Thursday (Dec 23).

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/pnbs...0%94-zulqarnain
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Thanks. ASNB didn't show the exact name of the bonds, only the issuer/company in the full detailed list they sent to me.

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PNB Merdeka Ventures is the issuer behind the 2 programs.

http://www.pnbmerdekaventures.com.my/pdf/M...0Newspapers.pdf

https://islamicmarkets.com/publications/pnb...had-rm2-billion

So, they are (kind of) misleading the public. After all, what other fixed income securities could PNB Merdeka Ventures Sdn. Bhd. be issuing? The tower isn't finished. This is clearly an infrastructure bond. And our money is in it.

For your info, "PNB Merdeka Ventures Sdn. Bhd." has appeared in ASM1's 2021 AR accounting for 1.4% of NAV (the highest of all FI portion, even higher than MGS/GII holdings).

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And they appear in ASM3's 2020 AR.

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*Both are from screenshots of detailed list upon email request, not shown directly in the AR.

So it's clearly not a new investment.

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post Dec 24 2021, 12:01 AM

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FAQ for ASB income computation. Should clear the air for many I guess.

https://www.asnb.com.my/ASBIncomeDistribution_EN.php
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post Dec 25 2021, 10:32 AM

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https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ication-efforts

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