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post Mar 7 2024, 10:43 PM

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After 3 months, ASNB finally sent me the full investment portfolio list for ASM3 in 2023.

Attached File  ASNB_FP_Funds_Holdings.zip ( 1.77mb ) Number of downloads: 154


They bet big on Estee Lauder it seems, back then.

Previous years and other funds' Excel files are included as well for completeness. Let me know if you encounter any issues with the files.

All error and omissions are my own.

Enjoy!

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post Mar 22 2024, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Mar 21 2024, 10:31 AM)
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unker no good at reading this - this is old ASM 1 report

nisbah perbelanjaan pengurusan is looking good, lower the better since 2023 is so low is good right?

what is nisbah pusing ganti portfolio? higher better or lower better?
2023 is like 0.27 - i guess it is improving is it?
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English translation:

nisbah perbelanjaan pengurusan = management expense ratio

For this, of course the lower the better, ASMx funds have been well-known for their unusually low expense ratio compared to private sector funds which usually charge around 1-2%.

nisbah pusing ganti portfolio = portfolio turnover ratio

As for this one, there is no right or wrong level. A high value implies the manager churned the portfolio quite often, i.e., buy/sell quite often whereas a low value means the manager was adopting a "buy-and-hold" strategy. High turnover surely means lost of fees to brokers due to frequent trading, but if the assets are sold/purchase at the right price and the market timing's good then it's probably fine. On the other hand, buy-and-hold is a passive strategy which saves commissions/fees but the manager may become too passive (in which case his fund's performance may lag behind a comparative index).
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post Jun 25 2024, 09:11 PM

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PNB 2023 annual report released: https://www.pnb.com.my/06_2IAR_EN.php

PNB's AUM has declined for the whole of 2023 despite MYR's depreciation and excellent global markets performance...

I have emailed them earlier to ask for the full investment list of ASM 1 as of 1st April 2024. Will update you guys with detailed overseas investment breakdown when they send me the list.

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post Jun 28 2024, 07:34 AM

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Makes me wonder why would ASNB invest in Aier Eye Hospital in the first place...

https://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/202...13-260410?chdtv

One of its main shareholder used to be from Gaw Capital and used PE acquisition to help expand the company rapidly. In hindsight, the acquisition targets seem to be companies which Gaw had had vested interests in. Retailers just bought in whatever news they listen. By the 3rd quarter of 2021 the Gaw person is no longer on the top 10 shareholder list, but ASNB still keep its stake all the way till 3Q 2023 (on ASM 3).
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post Jul 2 2024, 08:38 AM

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Cross-posted with EPF Dividend thread: https://www.sinchew.com.my/news/20240702/yl/5728539
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post Aug 2 2024, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 2 2024, 08:47 AM)
Hmm..

Simply cannot do that...

I'm sure the units from somewhere

But where? No one shared that part of information

Only shared got 1 billion offering start 1st August
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Maybe they are doing pretty well recently, need to pull NAV back to RM 1 per unit. KLCI has done quite well in the past 6 months and 1 year, recording gains of 7% and 11%, respectively.

QUOTE(TOS @ May 3 2023, 10:35 PM)
Err. Ok.

ASMx funds are nothing more than unit trusts. Barring counterparty risk with ASNB/PNB, i.e., the fund management company itself, the risk nature of a UT can be derived from the fund's underlying. In Finance, we care about exposure, that's where the risk/payoff etc. come from.

Here're ASM 1, ASM 2, ASM 3 full list of investment portfolio from FY 2020 to FY 2022. The analysis are more detailed in FY 2021 and FY 2022 (I added country, GICS industry classification etc. in the later years' excel files). But overall, you can observe that risk-free/near risk-free assets accounted for around 10%ish of the total NAV.

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ASMx funds have always been heavy on the equity side, with some bond exposure. Save for risk-free treasuries like MGS or GII, equities and corporate bonds are obviously not risk-free.

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So, newbies will ask: Maybank shares are obviously not fixed, nor are many other equities and bonds. We see stock prices go up and down after all.

How does ASNB achieve a constant NAV of RM 1 on a daily basis then?

If you look at the the formula for NAV, i.e., NAV = net asset value per unit of share, there are 2 ways this can be done:

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Newbies may also ask: Which method(s), 1 or 2, is/are ASNB using? I can confirm that method no. 2 is definitely being used. You can observe that in ASMx fund's annual report in the "income source" section (sumber pengagihan), where you will see the line "Keuntungan ternyata daripada tahun-tahun sebelumnya" (or in English, realized profit from previous years). This is where ASNB will draw down realized profits from previous years to pay out as dividends in the current financial year. I could not confirm if method 1 is used, as the number of units in circulation is dependent on many factors ("dividends" are reinvested, forming many new units every financial year, complicating the analysis).

It begs to ask: so what's the big deal? Well obviously, if NAV far exceeds RM 1 and ASNB undervalues it every day by booking profits, all is good. The issue is what if NAV is below RM 1 and ASNB has booked huge unrealized losses, waiting to be realized in later years, or perhaps choosing when to realize those losses. These choices are subject to manipulations. It may well be that losses are not realized over many years... If you scrutinize ASMx fund's annual reports vs other private sector UTs like those of Kenanga's, AHAM's, Eastspring's etc., you will notice that the private sector UTs will mark to market their assets (i.e., recognized at fair value through profit/lost, FVTPL) in their P&L statement, this line does not exist in ASMx funds' P&L statements.

Long story short, the "magic" of NAV holding at RM 1 is just an accounting gimmick. It's a choice of when and how often you wish to mark your asset to the market value and when/how often you wish to realize the profits/losses. Nothing fancier than that. I am not suggesting that something has gone terribly wrong at ASNB or PNB. But for newbies, such "accounting" risk is best understood when you start investing at ASMx funds.

ASNB does have the advantage of starting pretty early in the 90s when Malaysia's economy was pretty strong, so they may be sitting on quite a large pile of realized profits, at least that's the case many years ago. In recent years, they have been distributing realized returns pretty often from their glory days.

That said, I am no accountant. Just a "finance" student. For more details, I refer to our friend ikanbilis, an ACCA accountant in SG. He should be able to give newbies further guidance, whenever appropriate.

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post Sep 12 2024, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 25 2024, 09:11 PM)
PNB 2023 annual report released: https://www.pnb.com.my/06_2IAR_EN.php

PNB's AUM has declined for the whole of 2023 despite MYR's depreciation and excellent global markets performance...

I have emailed them earlier to ask for the full investment list of ASM 1 as of 1st April 2024. Will update you guys with detailed overseas investment breakdown when they send me the list.

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So, 3 months later, no list is sent and...

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This is your PNB/ASNB shakehead.gif

Welcome to Malaysia...
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post Sep 12 2024, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Sep 12 2024, 02:08 PM)
Hi, the link above for 2023 is not working anymore.  Is this the same as the published Annual Report or this report is solely on a specific detailed investment portfolio?
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You can find the annual report for all funds all the way back to 2016 here (using ASM as an example): https://www.asnb.com.my/V2/asnbv2_2funds_EN.php#asm

In their ARs, they only list the top 20 (usually equities) holdings, so obtain the full list, you have to email them and ask. And from my experience, they like to stonewall the process, as you saw in my post above.

Either they stonewall it accidentally because they are too busy or they did it on purpose to conceal... (uhm... you know, some accounting gimmicks...)
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post Sep 19 2024, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Sep 19 2024, 07:34 AM)
Has anyone managed to download Penyata Tahunan ASM2 - Wawasan untuk tahun kewangan berakhir 31/08/2024, in myASNB website?

I cannot see my annual statement, in the website yet.
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They haven't sent the statement to you yet, you will have to wait for about 1 month (i.e., till 30 Sept) for the statement to be emailed to you. The date of release of the annual report of the fund will be known on that day as well, in the email.
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post Sep 26 2024, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 12 2024, 12:46 PM)
So, 3 months later, no list is sent and...

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Welcome to Malaysia...
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Finally they sent me this morning... ASM 1 2024 full investment details are now available. Detailed sector and geographical breakdown on the international equity side done by myself. All errors and omissions are my own.

Attached File  ASNB_FP_Fund_Holdings.zip ( 1.87mb ) Number of downloads: 59


All financial companies and banks were gone, heavy weightage in semiconductor. Not sure why they still maintained positions in Kering... Hope they have cut lost on that... Should have aimed for Hermes instead laugh.gif

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post Oct 27 2024, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 27 2024, 05:12 PM)
All Digital Banking platform not supported

Only ewallet boost & TnG

You need to use those ordinary banking platform like tiger, sotong, teh, camel etc.
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I know tiger and sotong...

Camel is Ambank? What is teh? laugh.gif

Paiseh not good at relating bank logos... laugh.gif
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post Nov 2 2024, 09:05 PM

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ASM2 Wawasan Annual Report available since 31st October:

https://www.asnb.com.my/V2/pdf/product/Anua...2%20Wawasan.pdf

I have emailed them for the full list of investment portfolio. Will update you guys when it's ready.
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post Nov 2 2024, 09:17 PM

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In another news, ASNB has updated their customer service email to

asnbcare@asnb.com.my

Their previous email address asnbcare@pnb.com.my is no longer in use.

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post Nov 2 2024, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 2 2024, 11:49 AM)
Seriously...
I don't know how they choose the investment...

Already few really bad, until need to write down totally... Thus affecting the performance of the funds....

Only one saving them is that all happened during & post COVID-19 time... So can blame on the pandemic 😔
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The founder lady has a degree from LSE... won prizes in business case competitions...

https://www.sinchew.com.my/news/20241102/yl/6042908
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post Nov 3 2024, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 3 2024, 11:41 AM)
Talk about the losses incurred by PNB also gets reported...

Well Done...
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