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 Ultimate Discussions of ASNB Fixed Price UT, Magical UT only in Malaysia

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post Jan 16 2020, 11:49 AM

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Today get ASM1 and ASM2 1k respectively...

Thanks to gomen for paying my salary today, i still have 1k budget left to shoot for ASM... >.<
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post Jan 16 2020, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 16 2020, 12:33 PM)
withdrawal syndrome = withdraw ASM123 ?
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post Jan 16 2020, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 15 2020, 01:03 PM)
you didn't sailang yesterday?

the anchovy also don't know ate how many KFC worth of units already.
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i hope can sailang all
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post Jan 16 2020, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(feeho @ Jan 16 2020, 05:05 PM)
i hope can sailang all
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how come? hit bank's daily FPX limit?
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post Jan 16 2020, 05:50 PM

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new head, new sale the other day?

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...leadership-team
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post Jan 16 2020, 06:19 PM

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Wow, I've been away so long that this ultra popular thread in finance has moved to kopitiam.

Not sure if kopitiam users are interested in this, but saw this in ASW annual report and thought I'd share facts to confirm previous suspicion

In the past many forumers speculated that some years dividends are propped up by previous year reserves. This is shown in the annual report

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It's based on realised profits. Ultimately, we do not know how much unrealised profits/losses is there in the investments, now they took out even the stock composition % of market value of portfolio. Year on year there are impairments made on the investments, again, we don't know what is it on. As a bean counter, I don't like what I can't see sweat.gif
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post Jan 16 2020, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 16 2020, 06:19 PM)
Wow, I've been away so long that this ultra popular thread in finance has moved to kopitiam.

Not sure if kopitiam users are interested in this, but saw this in ASW annual report and thought I'd share facts to confirm previous suspicion

In the past many forumers speculated that some years dividends are propped up by previous year reserves. This is shown in the annual report

user posted image

It's based on realised profits. Ultimately, we do not know how much unrealised profits/losses is there in the investments, now they took out even the stock composition % of market value of portfolio. Year on year there are impairments made on the investments, again, we don't know what is it on. As a bean counter, I don't like what I can't see  sweat.gif
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The most important thing that you cannot see is the outstanding units in the market. As a fixed-unit-price fund, you do not now know what the actual NAV/unit, because despite knowing the NAV, you do not know what the outstanding units in the market.

So when you pay RM1/unit, could you be overpaying (the atual NAV/unit is less than RM1/unit) or underpaying (the inverse of the previous statement)
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post Jan 17 2020, 03:50 PM

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i cant get any fish nowadays... did you all get any?
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post Jan 17 2020, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(BaZingLa @ Jan 17 2020, 03:50 PM)
i cant get any fish nowadays... did you all get any?
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post Jan 17 2020, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 16 2020, 06:19 PM)
Wow, I've been away so long that this ultra popular thread in finance has moved to kopitiam.

Not sure if kopitiam users are interested in this, but saw this in ASW annual report and thought I'd share facts to confirm previous suspicion

In the past many forumers speculated that some years dividends are propped up by previous year reserves. This is shown in the annual report

user posted image

It's based on realised profits. Ultimately, we do not know how much unrealised profits/losses is there in the investments, now they took out even the stock composition % of market value of portfolio. Year on year there are impairments made on the investments, again, we don't know what is it on. As a bean counter, I don't like what I can't see  sweat.gif
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does it matter?

In ASB, we trust!! rclxm9.gif

If they go down, then we all die together.
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post Jan 17 2020, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 06:44 PM)
The most important thing that you cannot see is the outstanding units in the market. As a fixed-unit-price fund, you do not now know what the actual NAV/unit, because despite knowing the NAV, you do not know what the outstanding units in the market.

So when you pay RM1/unit, could you be overpaying (the atual NAV/unit is less than RM1/unit) or underpaying (the inverse of the previous statement)
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I think you meant we don’t know what is the net asset value per unit. The outstanding units is disclosed and it’s traded at rm1.00 per unit. Just that what is the value of the underlying investments per unit that we do not know

The financial statements don’t have balance sheet and yet auditor can issue audit report on it. I can never get over this Malaysia Boleh arrangement
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post Jan 17 2020, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 17 2020, 11:02 PM)
The financial statements don’t have balance sheet and yet auditor can issue audit report on it. I can never get over this Malaysia Boleh arrangement
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Perhaps it's only not disclosed in the annual report?

If it's disclosed, people would be buying only funds with nav above RM 1 no?
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post Jan 18 2020, 12:02 AM

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Any news from PNB-ASB regarding % pembersihan?
How much % of the dividen/bonus is non halal?
For those that want to do it
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post Jan 18 2020, 12:10 AM

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sold out

This post has been edited by @Lowyat.NET: Jan 18 2020, 10:41 AM
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post Jan 18 2020, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(BaZingLa @ Jan 17 2020, 03:50 PM)
i cant get any fish nowadays... did you all get any?
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None, I tried whole day and got zero unit.
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post Jan 18 2020, 03:45 PM

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sold out. stay tuned for further sales.

This post has been edited by @Lowyat.NET: Jan 18 2020, 05:04 PM
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post Jan 18 2020, 04:20 PM

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sold out
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QUOTE(@Lowyat.NET @ Jan 18 2020, 03:45 PM)
ASM2 Wawasan non-bumi units for sale. PM for details.

2500 units for RM2550 + RM15 transfer fee
5000 units for RM5100 + RM15 transfer fee
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What is buy/sell procedure?
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post Jan 18 2020, 04:22 PM

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What is buy/sell procedure?
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the usual, will be done via myasnb. once received funds from buyer, i will transfer the units directly.
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post Jan 18 2020, 05:00 PM

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the usual, will be done via myasnb. once received funds from buyer, i will transfer the units directly.
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You can transfer? I tried transfer to my wife, despite enuf funds, no idea why system keep saying cannot transfer more than available funds. I transfer like 10% of my funds only also error
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QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Jan 18 2020, 05:00 PM)
You can transfer? I tried transfer to my wife, despite enuf funds, no idea why system keep saying cannot transfer more than available funds. I transfer like 10% of my funds only also error
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yup. done transfer twice today.
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