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ipohmali70
post Nov 6 2019, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(sasuketaichou @ Nov 6 2019, 09:34 AM)
dont bother

if they want u in the 1st place the will negotiate regardless of your payslip
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I humbly disagree.
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post Nov 6 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Desmune97 @ Nov 6 2019, 09:41 AM)
I lied about my height and weight......
no dare to lie on my previous job salary tho
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Height and weight are mostly small matter unless you are applying for the armed forces, aviation, oil and gas and the like.

These things are not worth lying. I mean, if you're not what you claim to be, you can be easily found out.

Good of you not to lie on your salary though.
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post Nov 6 2019, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(jd4eva @ Nov 6 2019, 09:14 AM)
there was once i lied about my past position to get a job in my current company.....i got the job and still working here for few months already...
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post Nov 6 2019, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(sasuketaichou @ Nov 6 2019, 09:34 AM)
dont bother

if they want u in the 1st place the will negotiate regardless of your payslip
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Up to HR whether they want to nail you to the cross.

HR 1, Employee 0.
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post Nov 6 2019, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(sasuketaichou @ Nov 6 2019, 09:34 AM)
dont bother

if they want u in the 1st place the will negotiate regardless of your payslip
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usually HR will just ignore, or tekan your expected salary lower. this is their job or KPI i suppose.
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post Nov 6 2019, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 5 2019, 09:05 PM)
They will find out you lied about your previous salary.

How?

Your IC.

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All employers is required to contribute to the employee's EPF, about 11-12% (or more) from your basic salary.

Thus, with your IC number, they are able to retrieve your monthly/yearly EPF statement from the KWSP Portal, and calculate your monthly basic.

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How I know? Because I kantoi the candidates I've interviewed; right on the spot.

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You. Are. Screwed.

If you're hired, the company have the grounds to dismiss you and potentially sue you for fraud.

If you're an interviewee, consider yourself lucky that they won't contact you for future opportunity, if found guilty.
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Come on, this is not Kopitiam

Don't bullshit around with such statement

You don't have access to such confidentiality information

And U're criminal in my view.



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post Nov 6 2019, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(jd4eva @ Nov 6 2019, 11:16 AM)
usually HR will just ignore, or tekan your expected salary lower. this is their job or KPI i suppose.
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Why request if ignored?

There are reasons why some co ask for SPM cert even though you have a degree.
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post Nov 6 2019, 11:32 AM

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Sudahlah... company wont give a f*ck for few hundreds difference
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post Nov 6 2019, 11:40 AM

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No what the HR guy said is true. Once you sign the form where they could do a background check on you, they can find out anything about you.

What I want to know is, how much is the difference ? I lied about few hundreds (add my allowance together with my basic), they don't mind though. At least for now.
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post Nov 6 2019, 11:52 AM

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Lying about it verbally or even in an email is probably not the end of the world... but faking a payslip? Man, that’s rough
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post Nov 6 2019, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(ventolin @ Nov 6 2019, 11:52 AM)
Lying about it verbally or even in an email is probably not the end of the world... but faking a payslip? Man, that’s rough
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That's fraud, pure and simple.
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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 5 2019, 09:05 PM)
They will find out you lied about your previous salary.

How?

Your IC.

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All employers is required to contribute to the employee's EPF, about 11-12% (or more) from your basic salary.

Thus, with your IC number, they are able to retrieve your monthly/yearly EPF statement from the KWSP Portal, and calculate your monthly basic.

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How I know? Because I kantoi the candidates I've interviewed; right on the spot.

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You. Are. Screwed.

If you're hired, the company have the grounds to dismiss you and potentially sue you for fraud.

If you're an interviewee, consider yourself lucky that they won't contact you for future opportunity, if found guilty.
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Nice syok sendiri story..and how would u retrieve the info from kwsp portal on the spot? Ask the candidate to give user id & password? If u say make a call to the former employer we all believe..but this kawan..rili cerita sejuk la u have there
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QUOTE(feekle @ Nov 6 2019, 12:25 PM)
Nice syok sendiri story..and how would u retrieve the info from kwsp portal on the spot? Ask the candidate to give user id & password? If u say make a call to the former employer we all believe..but this kawan..rili cerita sejuk la u have there
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I think this is not true. It's not possible to get any employee's EPF info direct from EPF. But then we don't have to.

Employers normally validate claims with a candidate's former or even current employer.
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 5 2019, 09:05 PM)
They will find out you lied about your previous salary.

How?

Your IC.

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All employers is required to contribute to the employee's EPF, about 11-12% (or more) from your basic salary.

Thus, with your IC number, they are able to retrieve your monthly/yearly EPF statement from the KWSP Portal, and calculate your monthly basic.

---

How I know? Because I kantoi the candidates I've interviewed; right on the spot.

---

You. Are. Screwed.

If you're hired, the company have the grounds to dismiss you and potentially sue you for fraud.

If you're an interviewee, consider yourself lucky that they won't contact you for future opportunity, if found guilty.
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Dia punya sembang... doh.gif

But for TS, actually it's not okay when you lied about your salary/pay slip. Usually, if you re shortlisted, HR will cross check your background, is it the same like you put into your resume/cv, about your work, your relation between the team. They will not ask about your salary.
Please dont do it again. Just be honest, and during salary negotiation, just justify why you put the expected amount in the first place.
Good luck.
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Nov 6 2019, 07:31 AM)
Larry, ts mentioned he lied. U also want to lie?

Will I be able to check ah heng ali and muthu salary if just input their ic?
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whistling.gif whistling.gif EPF don't lie bruh.

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 6 2019, 08:23 AM)
Not sure about EPF but other agencies like RAM do sell these info, however employer/companies not allowed to do that unless u gave signed permission.
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Hiring companies have the right to request for your EPF statement instead of your Monthly pay slip (which can be manipulated, just like TS).

QUOTE(zamans98 @ Nov 6 2019, 11:24 AM)
Come on, this is not Kopitiam

Don't bullshit around with such statement

You don't have access to such confidentiality information

And U're criminal in my view.
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Are you implying that it is "just" to falsify your payslip to future employer?

How is it criminal for an employer to conduct background checks on employee to ensure that the candidate is suited for the company?

To root out the ill behaved employees who could potentially damage the reputation of the company.

Is it criminal?
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 6 2019, 01:11 PM)
whistling.gif  whistling.gif  EPF don't lie bruh.
Hiring companies have the right to request for your EPF statement instead of your Monthly pay slip (which can be manipulated, just like TS).
Are you implying that it is "just" to falsify your payslip to future employer?

How is it criminal for an employer to conduct background checks on employee to ensure that the candidate is suited for the company?

To root out the ill behaved employees who could potentially damage the reputation of the company.

Is it criminal?
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Are u sure? Even before they hired you?
Why would EPF do that? Isnt it P&C ?
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 5 2019, 09:05 PM)
They will find out you lied about your previous salary.

How?

Your IC.

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All employers is required to contribute to the employee's EPF, about 11-12% (or more) from your basic salary.

Thus, with your IC number, they are able to retrieve your monthly/yearly EPF statement from the KWSP Portal, and calculate your monthly basic.

---

How I know? Because I kantoi the candidates I've interviewed; right on the spot.

---

You. Are. Screwed.

If you're hired, the company have the grounds to dismiss you and potentially sue you for fraud.

If you're an interviewee, consider yourself lucky that they won't contact you for future opportunity, if found guilty.
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They can do this? I thought it's P&C??
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 6 2019, 01:13 PM)
Are u sure? Even before they hired you?
Why would EPF do that? Isnt it P&C ?
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Both EPF and Pay Slip are P&C.

However, employers have the right to request for either both to justify providing the hiring employee their new pay.

EPF is more "secure" and less prone to be manipulated.

Much like applying for credit card, the bank will request for your EPF/Income Tax Receipt/Pay Slip to verify that you've met the annual income for the credit card.
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 6 2019, 01:11 PM)
whistling.gif  whistling.gif
Hiring companies have the right to request for your EPF statement instead of your Monthly pay slip (which can be manipulated, just like TS).
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First say, can access epf.

Now this?

Make up your mind.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 6 2019, 01:19 PM
ipohmali70
post Nov 6 2019, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ Nov 6 2019, 01:11 PM)
whistling.gif  whistling.gif  EPF don't lie bruh.
Hiring companies have the right to request for your EPF statement instead of your Monthly pay slip (which can be manipulated, just like TS).

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Where additional proof is required, any hiring company can respectfully ask the candidate for the EPF statement to corroborate the salary claim, though I have never done so myself.

The candidate can volunteer such information and be a step closer to getting the job, or he can decline the request, and he will run the risk of his application being declined.
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