Hello parents,

Good day.

I would need your piece of advice (if you have any) for my son's condition. I know that you will tell me to meet the doctor as soon as possible but i would want to know if you have any experience in this particular case.

My son is 2 years 3 months old, normal body weight, normal height and happy go lucky kid

But since a month ago, he has been sick on and off. Not very high fever though, averagely 37.5 to 38 or highest was 38.5 - only once reached 39

We went to see the peds specialist, nothing alarming nor no virus/bacteria. Blood tested and nothing is irregular as well

I have brought him to Gleneagles and peds specialist in Publika (just in case if you asked me to seek for 2nd option)

The thing is, the fever is not completely gone! My son will be normal for 5 days and feverish for 5 days and this cycle has been repeating on and off for a month (the first date 20 Sept)

We have already met the doctors, taken antibiotic, control his outdoor activity, everyday eating fruits, supplements has given (Sambucol and Appethon), NO AC at night - basically everything is well-taken care off!

He does attend pre-school/nursery though - I know the fact that kids that are going to the nursery would have averagely 12-18 times of fever a year which I can accept the fact because previously he is sick for a once month only

But now he will be sicked for every week! I have been pumping paracetamol to reduce his fever and it has been going for a MONTH! I DO NOT WANT TO OVERDOSE HIM nor Damaging his liver but im facing a roadblock now

What should i do?
A) to seek for 3rd opinion
B) Embrace it and just hope it will go away / the cycle will stop eventually
C) Stop giving paracetamol and let the fever to reach its peak and hoping for counter?

I dont know guys, i am hopeless now and tomorrow i will be going to meet the regular specialist of my son in Publika but I might want to bring to another specialist for 3rd opinion. Money is not the problem, i would sell off my kidneys just to ensure he is well and perfect. (He have insurance)

My apologies for the grammar

#PleaseHelp

This post has been edited by CommonPeople: Oct 24 2019, 03:12 PM

assume u redi did skin prick test?

sounds like sumtin immunity related.. re-triggering when exposed to irritant

is he ok when out of the house for extended periods?

a journal of his daily events, etc would be helpful for a paed/researcher to look for patterns/clues.

Thank you for the reply.

I have not done other test except for Blood and Urine. Our peds did not advise us to do so, should we do it?

He is fine if out of the house for extended periods.

As for the journal, we may able to ask the diary from the school and I do have my personal records of his.

This post has been edited by CommonPeople: Oct 24 2019, 03:11 PM

Try keep an eye on what food he eat and start to analyse if it happen after certain food.

Did you try TMC?

My daughter had a cough that lasted 3 months. 3 diff Pedi didnt anything, just more and more med. Then we tried TMC at Tung Shin hospital, it didnt help (or maybe it did not sure), after that we bought a bottle of woods cough syrup from Watson and that did the trick.... (or maybe it was the combination of her immune system, the TMC med stnrenthing her body that did the trick).

I thought about this as well

Perhaps he has tonsillitis (I have), so anything that is too sweet would trigger the fever

He cant sit quiet, so sometimes the doctor can't really see his throat if there is an infection or enlarged tonsil

I will monitor closely

This post has been edited by CommonPeople: Oct 24 2019, 04:58 PM

3 months? What sort of meds did the peds provide? Was it Mucosolvan? Was it Prospan? Was it Broncolin Syrup? Asking cuz my peds provided them to us and so far the cough and phlegm did reduce in a few days. But still, the fever wont go away!

Did your daughter had repeated fever in between?

Bottle of Woods Syrup - How did you think of this med eventually?

Sorry for the questionings

Yes the usual. All the meds u listed, plus some kinds inhale stuff to reduce the phelgm that is in her lungs etc.. all sort of nonsense.

I personally think the TMC med that strengthen her body/immune system help fight off the disease.. and the woods help.

Now she cough we just go for woods and within 5~7 days all solved.

We bought the wood for kids.

Thanks for the replies, really appreciate it

I tried to search for 'TMC' or TMC at Tung Shin Hospital but no avail. Do you mind to provide a lil bit more info regarding TMC, please?

I will definitely try out TMC and Woods cough syrup if my son's fever has no improvement.

I kiddin you not, all these nonsense respiratory diseases brought to us via the fire burning from the indonesia

All these shits happen since then

Typo its TCM, but even a "TMC Tung Shin" search first result is Chinese Medical Division of Tung Shin

TCM is abbreviation for traditional chinese medicine.
though 'scientific' and 'holistic' therapies each have their merits - i have to strongly caution that unregulated medicine will have adverse effects if the maker uses unscrupulous means, ie - the use of steroids in the medication + 'tradtional herbs'... unwary patients will feel better & credit it to the 'traditional supplements' they are taking - unaware its actually the steroids used by the unscrupulous vendor that is making them feel better - but comes at a great cost to their long term health. imagine sum1 powdering ponstan with neem leave powder & prescribing it 2 u as a 'natural pain killer'.

thats the actual danger here - use of unregulated/dangerous medicines & supplements that will have a temp beneficial impact, but an adverse/irreversible long term impact.

even certain unscrupulous private clinics here with their license to make their own medicine do this unscrupulous practice. patients keep flocking back to them because they feel great... until they get organ failure from long time use

it would be best for you to source the base ingredients & make the herbal remedies urself. best to skip any tauted pills, elixirs, etc... just ask for the ingredients list & dosage frequency when consulting the TCM practicioner, go to TCM shop & they will provide all the ingredients stated. u can then make the actual product urself & have peace of mind that ur not risking/further jeopardizing ur child's health.

do note also that certain TCM medicine will clash with certain conventional medication. this pairing will cause adverse effects. there was an article in star newspaper few months back of the dangerous conbos - pls look it up online.

re skin prick test - slightly odd no mention of it yet. it would have been one of the top tests as its easy to do & is very wide spectrum. maybe inquire about it with them as to why they think it may not be of relevance.

re extended periods - to be clear = i mean days, not hours. if he feels fine days out of the house = triggering event could be the house. ex: toxic mould, dust mites, etc. which comes to my next clarification...

re journal - to clarify, the journal should state things like all his meals, time he ate, amount; log of when his fever started/ended, what medications taken when & what time, dosage frequency; bowel movements - visually check each time consistency, colour, etc; what physical interactions he had (exercise, play with pet, climb tree etc) & anything else pertinent. if all goes well - a patterns should emerge > maybe certain foods are triggers (gluten, shellfish, dairy, food poisoning,etc), maybe a plant/tree he plays with is the trigger (poison ivy, pollen/hay fever, poisonous sap/latex, etc), maybe interaction with an animal is the trigger (CSD @ cat scratch fever, animal dander (you dont have to have a pet - even a neigbours pet 4 houses away can cause issues, also if you have animal skin/fur/feather products at home - its the same thing. even that that innocuous peacock feather decoration or chicken feathers duster may be to blame). using these methods have sucessfully identified instances where it was discovered that the fabric softener/detergent was causing issues, the saliva of the pet hamster was to blame & even the neighbours vibrant flower garden next door was causing issues (high pollen count & heavy pesticide use)... so due to so many variables - a journal detailing is day to day ongoings will help pinpont whats causing the issue. it might even be a dirty/clogged air con filter to blame or dust mites.

pls take wateva i say wid a pinch of salt - & wateva ever1 else says too. good intentions should be tempered with cautious forewarning against rushing into any course of action.

as i'm still noob, i have to shotgun my posts with as much info as can due to my daily post limit, hence i'm jam packin so much here. so, kindly bear that in mind when readin my loooong posts. hope this helps you.

Check if he is teething. I dont think you can do anything about the fever other than prescribing paracetamol.

My eldest son was exactly like what you described. He would go down to fever whenever he was teething or after every immunisation injection. You can imagine how often we been to clinic during those times (between 2-4 years old). Not only that, his fever would be so bad that it refused to go down for the first few days and I had to use suppository on him for the first 2 nights or so. Doctors even told us to give him slightly higher dosage at times, when we told him the fever would return before 4 hours. He even told me despite his low weight, there is nothing but to overdose since his condition is not that of a normal kid should be. That is so true when compared to the younger brother who respond much better when prescribed paracetamol. He would only have these persistent fever when there is serious throat inflammation. I even admitted him twice during those years.

I just want to say it is normal, given the condition of their body. I stayed with him during the 2 hospitalisations and I can tell you seriously there is no difference between what I done (overdose) compared to what they did in hospital. They will monitor him and prescribing paracetamol (not according to hours) when he is having fever. Antibiotic goes straight into their blood via the fluid transfusion tube. If the fever is above 39c, then they will give him diclofenac suppository. Paracetamol with diclofenac is okay, but watch out if you are giving him ibuprofen and want to use diclofenac.

This post has been edited by andrekua2: Oct 25 2019, 04:41 PM

other than higher temperature, how is he feeling? playing as usual or look very tired?

i dun give my son paracetamol until fever reach 38.5. so will monitor closely, will let him drink more water, fruits, no biscuits or heaty snacks...

once reach 38, try to wear lightly clothing, wet a cloth n wipe him, cooling room but not till cold

How much of water he drink daily?

How is his water intake?
My boy was a very good water drinker, he drank large amount of water daily. Therefore he never sick other than got a chicken pox at age 2.

Besides that, Scott fish oil is good for kids. It maintain good immune system.

He only 2yrs+, right? Other than baby food, or those brand from the shelves that specially mean for babies, don't give him other snacks. I recall I never give my boy sweet/candy or even jam until he was in kindergarten. And we never give fruit juice, but eat real food in small chunks, as fruit juice sugar level higher.

TCM medication do have BPFK certification, so, not sure what do you mean by unregulated. TCM doctors from tungshin are graduates from reputable universities that requires themselves to be registered practitioner within Malaysian legal framework FYI

Hi TS,

As a parent, I understand how you feel. Even kid have slight fever we worry like mad. In your case you're dealing with something unknown... the uncertainty must be driving you crazy and super worried.

Here's what I would do:
1. Keep journal of his temperature and your general observation (food intake, stool, exposure to environment/people, vacination, etc).
2. Sometimes kids will have slight fever after vaccination, sometimes masa tumbuh gigi also fever.
3. Change of milk?

If not above 38C... I assume the kids body is producing antibodies and adapting his/her defenses to the outside world. Below 37.9 I usually force my kid to rest, pakai baju/seluar nipis, lap dahi dan belakang tengkuk with kain basah.

Above 38, baru bagi PCM.

Follow your instinct and own judgement... if you feel its something severe... nothing wrong with going to 2nd or 3rd doctor.

Hope it turns out well for your kid.

this is important

i'm afraid ur generalising.

firstly, not ALL do.

next, pls refer my post - even private clinics helmed by multiple certified MD's are doing unethical practices like adding steroids into their medications... what oversight is the lesser conventional tcm industry subject to? realistically minute.

malaysian legal framework does not come into the equation of TCM offerings as it relates to the content of their offerings. pls show me which MoH subsidary vetts ALL their offerings for ALL tcm practiconers?

having a medical degree does not make one immune to unethical/misinformed behavior. anyone can literally prescribe a combination of 'herbs' for any ailment & cover themselves under the guise of being a alternative therapy practitioner.

i would take a heavily regulated medical industry anyday over promising, but yet nouveau & semi/unregulated emerging medical alternatives.

rule no 1 - do no further harm.

Lol you generalise first, yes, I am aware of your lengthy post,

TAKE NOTE I just wanted to highlight that medications given out by tcm doctors are registered with bpfk, this time I make it clear, tcm from tungshin lol

Actually, it seems that your knowledge about tcm is only about mixing herbs, which in actual terms is waaasay more than that.

As fur myself, I do have registered tcm products with bpfk, not too sure about you

Take it easy bro, TCM might bit be your cup of tea, but it works fine for so many other ppl lol

Chilax bro

This post has been edited by Duperaider: Oct 30 2019, 07:01 PM