Which verse are u referring to in john 8 if u dont mind?
So we can diacuss it

He forgave the woman who was about to be stoned?

Verse 11?

Firstly, i am unsure you are really a believer in Christ but i will try answer your query anyway.

the deity of Jesus is a core tenent of Christianity.

take that away, everything crumbles because His death on the cross would be insufficient for the forgiveness of sins according to God's law given to Moses.

Jesus did not come to do away with the law but to fulfill it.

scripture is clear that
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23)

and unless one without sin is offered as a subsitute sacrifice , the payment for sin (which is death) is not satisfied. Read Romans 3 for a clearer picture.

Now the question on how Jesus declared himself to be the Son of God.

Apart from John 8 : 58 where Jesus said before "Abraham, I AM" there are several other instances that come to mind.

the healing of the paralytic man lowered through the roof
Mark 2:7 onwards

Jesus implied His divinity with the ability to forgive sins.

when Caiphas questioned Jesus

Mark 14:61-64
Matt 26:62 onwards

in these passages Jesus' answer was clear.

going back to John 8.

contrary to what you say, the chapter is actually about Jesus declaring His divinity.

consider His statements.

I am the Light of the world.

you are from below and I am from above

I tell the things that I have seen at My Father’s side

etc etc.

Pls read John chapter 1 to understand what Jesus meant by being Light of the world

and like UW stated.
there is no scriptural basis on your assertion that all prophets know each other

we can disagree on many things but the divinity of Christ is not one of them.

aral3005 Please refer to Issue#10 - What is the Holy Trinity.? at my thread https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4886095 . To me, your confusion about JOHN.8:58 stems from your lack of understanding about who God is, wrt His Fatherhood, Sonhood and Spirithood.

An Old Testament prophecy about Jesus the Prophet. .......

DEUT.18: (NKJV) = A New Prophet Like Moses

15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’

17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
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JOHN.1: = 19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”

20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”

21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”

He said, “I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?”

And he answered, “No.”
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JOHN.7: = Who Is He?

40 Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said, “Truly this is the Prophet.” 41 Others said, “This is the Christ.”

But some said, “Will the Christ come out of Galilee? 42 Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?” 43 So there was a division among the people because of Him. 44 Now some of them wanted to take Him, but no one laid hands on Him.
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From john 8:7 until 11, is there anyone stone the woman?

John 8:6 mentioned the people accusing the woman and and use it as a trap.

Jesus ask them to stone her as in john 8:7
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

But no one stone her, it's an accusation, and jesus doing just to the woman.

U touch on many topics

U said jesus implied, but in several verses jesus clearly stated it's the father who forgive the sin.

The translation from greek septuagint of 'i am' in john 8:58 and exodus 3:14 is not the same if u study it. That's why u can relate it between those 2 verses.

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New Testament Greek = Christos = Christ in today's English.
Old Testament Hebrew = Mashich = Messiah in today's English.

Does that mean Christ is not the same as Messiah.?

Similarly, your family at home may call you by a certain name. Your school mates or work colleagues may call you by a different name. Does this mean you were not the same person when with your family and in school or at work.?
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P S - Hence, we should study the Bible in our 1st language, eg English, and not in its original language like ancient Hebrew in the OT, Greek, Aramaic, etc in the NT. Any difficulties or controversies which are few, we should consult the opinion and commentaries of the expert translators who understood both or all 3 languages of the Bible well.
....... Why make life needlessly difficult for ourselves when Jesus Christ has stated that His yoke is easy and burden light.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 16 2020, 08:03 PM

Can you quote these verses ?

When Jesus saw their [active] faith [springing from confidence in Him], He said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” But some of the scribes were sitting there debating in their hearts [the implication of what He had said], “Why does this man talk that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins [remove guilt, nullify sin’s penalty, and assign righteousness] except God alone?” Immediately Jesus, being fully aware [of their hostility] and knowing in His spirit that they were thinking this, said to them, “Why are you debating and arguing about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven’; or to say, ‘Get up, and pick up your mat and walk’?
But so that you may know that the Son of Man has the authority and power on earth to forgive sins” —He said to the paralyzed man, “I say to you, get up, pick up your mat and go home.” And he got up and immediately picked up the mat and went out before them all, so that they all were astonished and they glorified and praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”
Mark 2:5‭-12 AMP

The reason why I asked you is to explain to you..... only God is qualified to forgive sinners.


Jesus did that when he said..."neither do I condemn you" that is to counter what the pharisee stake claim in saying according to the Law of Moses, she need to be stoned.

Hence John 8 has a lot of verses that support Jesus being God.

Look I think you're fighting for the sake of fighting here, if you're keen to learn, we can learn together.

What we read now is the translation of the bible.

If got issue especially regarding translation, i will try to study it from its original language, and the history involving the verse so i can understand it better.

In previous discussion regarding 'i am', the original language of that particular 'i am' is different between that 2 verses. How 2 different phrases translated into same word in english 'i am'?

I wish the misinterpretation in translating the bible as simple as u gave early such as messiah word.

Sure bro

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”e And they divided up His garments by casting lots.

Mark 11:25
And when you stand to pray, if you hold anything against another, forgive it, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your trespasses as well.

Luke 6:36
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Sorry I'm a bit slow cz i hv the tendency to read the whole chapter.

Jesus counter them by saying to them to cast stone starting with those without sin. But what happen the people began to leave jesus one by one until only jesus n the woman left.

Full story as in John 8 from 7 to 11

7When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.”

8And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.

9When they heard this,b they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there.

10Then Jesus straightened upc and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers?d Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, Lord,” she answered.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.”

I do emphasize the way i read bible, not the truth in it. Most of bible verses are as clear without even need to explain or add anything, only some that need interpretation from the expert/christian scholar.

Sorry if i am a bit slow, i do need to study even a short verse as i like to read most or all verses in the chapter.

agreed.
but where in these verses imply that only the Father can forgive sins?

i ask this because to me it seems that, that is your contention, that the Father only forgive sins and not Jesus.

This post has been edited by tipuism: Mar 17 2020, 12:07 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript
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https://biblehub.com/text/john/8-58.htm

https://biblehub.com/text/exodus/3-14.htm

Both JOHN.8:58 of the original New Testament in Greek and EXO.3:14 of the original Old Testament in Hebrew, were translated by Bible language experts into "I AM" in today's English.
....... So, Jesus Christ was the God of Moses and the God of Doubting Thomas(JOHN.20:28).
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May be u can give clear verse as above showing jesus forgive sin?

I do hv a question but want let current dust settle first, then i can move on to my question.

i already posted the verses earlier.

The word 'am' in john 8:58 is derived from greek text 'eimi' which can be translated to other word such as 'was", 'have'

But the point is the original text is not even the same, hence why 2 different phrase can be translated to one ' i am'.

I suggest u just to search the original text and u will find the last phrase not even the same and translated into one 'i am'.

Usually certain words need to be read and translated carefully when reading bible, such as 'son of god' or 'god'
Here in john 20:28 john expressed/saying my lord and my god, does not necessarily means jesus is god.
To me this verse contradicting another verses in the bible, some even come out from jesus himself.