No Branch can bear fruit by itself

John 15:4 (NIV) - Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

Dear Friends, whenever you hear any teachings that teaches and put demands on you, that you must do this or you will be lost, you will lose your salvation...whatever it is; always remember John 15:4.

Our Lord Jesus said this himself...Apart from me, you can do nothing.

The very source of life is in God. All the Powers. God's word says in John 15 verse 4, No Branch (referring to you and I) can bear fruit by itself. Do you see and hear that?

It is as clear as day light, what God is saying, We have no power in of ourselves to bear the fruits of God's Spirit.

So how do you get these fruits to love one another? To be at peace in a storm, to abstain from sinning even..for examples?

The answer is in the same verse and chapter.

Abide in God. Meaning Stay in God. Don't move away, don't run away. Allow God to dwell in you.

I'm always encouraged to know and remember God says, Those who come to Him, He will never ask the person to go away. No qualifications.

Perhaps there are some of you who may have doubt of their own Salvation because of their inability to obey God for whatever reasons.

The reason for this is because you have moved away from God. You have not given your time to spend in his presence, neither the time to read his word, to wait on him.. the one who loves you.

If this message speaks to you, it's time to come "home" to our loving God and savior.

I urge you before it's too late.

The Lord Bless you.

The one who does the work is God

1 Corinthians 1:8 (NIV) - He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:21 (NIV) - Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,

I don't know if you have been told that you got to keep your Salvation by faith through your works. Because the Bible says otherwise. Both of today's devotion verses as you can see above confirmed it is God, not you.

Why am I doing this? So that you will give up trying to save yourself and surrender complete faith to God.

Even the very famous bible verse that talks about Work out your salvation......agrees to this.


Philippians 2:12-13 (NIV) - Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

You have nothing to work out if God is not the one working in you. Always remember the root source of Salvation. Who is the one who is Life and Power.

God Bless.

i thought this may be a better forum for discussion than K.

Like i mentioned,those are prophetic appointed times(Moedim) of the Lord. They are NOT Jewish festivals we understand ethnic festivals.

When culture overrides God's truth, which one takes precedence? THat is the problem with Easter especially.
The observation of the laws and ordinances did not bring salvation. It never did. Never will.
Salvation from Adam to the present is always by faith in God.

Another thing. There was NO TALMUD in those days. Talmud was written/compiled in the 4th century. Many presume that the Judaism of today is the same as that of the patriachs. It is not.

Now, i am not saying there is a requirement for gentiles to celebrate the feasts.
However, when man made festivals present a false picture of God's prophetic calender, it should be thrown out.
How do you get 3 days and 3 nights from Fri to Sunday?
Bear in mind, this is the prophecy given by the Lord Jesus Himself of His Messiahship.

Thanks for diverting it here.

It's a matter of semantics then. It is a jewish festival because it is celebrated by the jews, the ones who were given the law, I use jews and israelites interchangeably here. Sorry that you interpreted it as a cultural festival, it wasn't. It goes without saying that Passover is a remembrance of what Yahweh has done for the Israelites, I would even argue that it's the first physical manifestation of the covenant. it's a not a dinner party for what many would think.

Yes, no Talmud. Judaism has definitely evolved. I meant to refer to the collective body of laws and regulations, either written or through further elaborations and deductions that has encumbered the faith that Christ has pointed out during his time as a man.

You don't have to call it Easter, it can simply be called the Feast of the Resurrection, a label is a label as long as the meaning is not lost. i never really cared about rabbits or eggs to begin with. I get what you mean. In the West, people say Happy Easter. in the East, the greeting is Christos Anesti and the response is Alithos Anesti. Christ is Risen!!, Truly, He has Risen!! That said, I still think co-opting easter was a masterstroke for Christendom in Europe.

You brought up the verse from matthew about 3 days and 3 nights. That relates to the question whether the crucifixion occurred on a Friday or not
There's a separate point to consider here. "On the 3rd day" the resurrection occured and it was on the first day of the week, which is sunday. So all these will need to be reconciled.

"Your post was reported"

i guess we cannot discuss sensitive Christian issues either.

Only TS can post his theology

Erm but I didn't report anyone's post in here.

I've allowed it in fact both your and Feynman.

i know it is not you. That's the reason i find it rather astounding that someone would report my post. Especially in a rather 'private' forum.

I feel I needed to clarify because some people (like desmond for example) always assume it "must" be TS. Sigh.

Yeah. Better to clarify to avoid misunderstanding.

For sharing with you:

Belonging to God

1 John 3:10 - 24 (NIV) - 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. 11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.

19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Good day fellow believers.

Today's devotion scripture verse is quite long. But it's important to read all of it...to know this.

I think all of us have been through this before. Whenever one sin, that sin pulls the person away from God, makes the person feel, don't want to have anything to do with God. This is why the Bible makes it clear sin separates the person from God.

Sin is never the life of a child of God. With that being said, it is important and necessary to do a reflection whether we have come to repentance to let this go because we must remember we are heading towards living a life of all that is good for eternal and eternal is very long. It is permanent. If you don't want to get use to living God's Kingdom's life now, when will you ever get use to it?

Imagine if you will, the time you arrive before God, what life are you living now?

Yet the very core essence of who God is, is Love.

Bible tells us, to know that whether we are on the side of God's truth, we can check whether we are living with hatred of others or loving others? If we are living life with hatred and bitterness, then we have completely missed the point of what God has tried to warned of us.

Yet God's word assures us, when you are living the life of love, you can be at rest, that is your assurance of walking in line with God's Holy Spirit.

But even if you have doubts despite knowing you are living in love, God is greater than your doubts, He knows.

In the entirety of 1 John 3:10 - 24, we are told to keep God's command. And it is made clear the command is this; to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ.

To believe in Jesus Christ is to believe in all that He has said.

"Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." For the definition of what love is, you can do this bible study, Check 1 Corinthians 13:4.

I hope this speaks to you. This may be strong admonition but it applies to everyone, myself included.

God Bless.

i am aware of this. Notwithstanding matt 12:40,

Here's are several points to consider. You may want to look at the greek copies of the NT account, I make no assumptions.

"On the 3rd day"
Several verses in different books in the NT reads "on the 3rd day", on the 3rd day wouldn't be Saturday night/Sunday Morning

The 3rd day would on the Sabbath, friday evening saturday daytime. Or if you count from Wednesday, the 3rd day would be on thursday/friday.


14 Nisan
There's also much consideration if Christ died on 14 or 15 Nisan. Assuming the NT authors used jewish days when they talk about days

14 Nisan Passover
15 Nisan Feast of unleavened bread - would this be the day that no work be done?

Mark 14, on the first day of unleavened bread Nisan 15 the disciples asked Jesus where did He want to eat the Passover meal. That means at the start of 16 Nisan, which is the evening, he ate the last supper, crucified the following morning and died at the end of Nisan 16.

The same account of eating asking jesus where he wanted to eat the passover meal happened on the day of can be found in Matt 26 and Luke 22.

So this diagram, which suggests that the passover meal was eaten at the beginning of 14 Nisan doesn't seem to jive with Matthew Mark and Luke. Would this be a transcribing error in the 3 synoptic gospels?

In John chapter 13 and 19, you could read it as, Jesus did not eat the passover meal, there's no passover meal in John 13 merely a last supper at the beginning of 14 Nisan, just like the diagram. And since the next day is a special Sabbath, i.e. 15 Nisan can coincide with the weekly Sabbath. Making it a double holiday, hence special.

All in all there will be a few scenarios to play out here, but one baseline is established is that, following the burial of Christ, it was a sabbath. Just a matter of a separate one or a coincidental one.

Maybe you can answer this too
1. Does the festival begin on 14 Nisan or 15 Nisan?
2. Is the passover meal eaten on 14 Nisan or 15 Nisan? Jews today eat their sedar meal on 15 Nisan at sunset. What did the 1st century jews do?
3. In Exodus, the Israelites ate the paschal lamb on the night before their departure from Egypt, between 14 nisan and 15 nisan

3rd party source

For this you will need to look up chinese calendar and bump it against the julian and jewish calendars, against some astronomical sightings in the 30's AD

In the records of the later Han Dynasty, i looked it up before, it was tedious. the Guangwu emperor in the 7th year of his reign said this. “癸亥晦日有食之，避正殿，寝兵，不听事五日。诏曰：‘吾德薄致灾，谪见日月，战栗恐惧，夫何言哉！其上书者，不得言圣。’”
courtiers/astrologers wrote this "癸亥日蝕，天人崩！" as a footnote.
The emperor also said
夏四月壬午，诏曰：‘比阴阳错谬，日月薄食。百姓有过，在予一人，大赦天下
Guihai is the last unit of a sexagenary cycle, it doesn't refer to a day of date of a month. Any dates referenced therein would require some proficient in chines timekeeping in during the han dynasty

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First of all, Mat 12:40 is xtremely important as it was sign given by Jesus to the leadership of the religious body of the day.
Hence, It is fundamental to working out the chronology. Tries Hemera Treis Nux- 3 days and 3 nights

A Jewish day starts in the evening at sundown.
An unblemished lamb was chosen on the 10Nisan and kept till 14Nisan for killing. -The entry into Jerusalem.
Jesus celebrated the Passover with His disciples at the end of 13Nisan/start of 14Nisan. They are allowed to eat the Passsover between the evenings.
Most translations missed this phrase out in Exodus 12:6 but has an footnote.
6 `And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;-YTL
Only Young's Literal Translation captured the Jewish idea of between the evenings. This allows for the time required for the thousands of lambs to be sacrified for Passover at the temple.
Jesus died at 3pm the following day which was still 14Nisan. Most Jews will eat the Passover at the start of the Feast of Unleaven Bread.

The chronology would be
Sundown 14Nisan Last supper
3pm Wed 14 Nisan Jesus died and was taken down from the cross as the next day was ( Night 1)
15Nisan Feast of Unleaven Bread - A High Sabbath- ( John19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day). The High Sabbath is a special Feast day which is a Sabbath, not necessarily coinciding with the 7th day Sabbath.(Day 1, Night2)
16Nisan (Day 2, Night3)
17Nisan -7th Day Sabbath (Day 3)- Jesus resurrected before Sundown going to 18Nisan
18Nisan- Feast of FirstFruits

Another thing which throws many off is the phrase, "First day of the week".



Modernists call it Sunday.
In the original Greek text, there is no such phrase. It is a badly translated phrase. The mistranslation has probably led many to believe that Jesus rose on a Sunday.

"μια των σαββατων“ (mia ton sabbaton) should be translated as "first/one of the Sabbaths". There is a reason for this.



It is the counting of the 7 Sabbaths from Firstfruits to Shavout(Pentecost) as instructed by God. Jews call it the counting of the Omer.

In the 8 times that this phrase "mia ton Sabbaton" is used in the NT, it points to Pentecost.







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Our inheritance shield by "Faith"

1 Peter 1: 3 - 5 (NIV) - Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Where the word of God say He has given us new birth into a living hope, that is what I will believe. God has given, then it is what I have. The Lord is pleased when we believe this. This is the position of a Christian.

The phrase living hope here means hope that is alive and well because God is the one who is faithful as promise keeper. When God makes a promise, it's a done deal. Much better than any righteous person who makes you a promise. Why? Because God cannot lie.

This inheritance is permanently incorruptible. What you have is far safer (being kept) than the most secured Bank Vault of this world. How? By your faith.

By your Faith, your inheritance is shield by God's Power which no powers of evil nor darkness can break against. IN fact the very presence of God cause all demons to tremble.

Have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless

The Law fully met in us

Romans 8:4 (NIV) - in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Dear Friends, today's devotion is quite deep, if you cannot understand, it is alright but it requires that you know scripture verses else you will be lost.

I love this verse. It says here, the righteous requirement of the law might be "fully" met "IN" us. There are 2 key phrases, which are

1) Fully
2) In us

Fully here represents the complete total righteous requirement of the Law fully met in us. From God's estimation this righteous requirement fully here is no joke, it's means complete perfection and not partial. If that is what is say....how is that even possible? Think about it, If it's saying it depends on us who walk after the HS, then it's either partial or complete depending on what we do, doesn't it? That is virtually quite impossible because we are all imperfect human beings.

Would you consider King David whom God gave this exclamation, Man after my own heart to be somebody who did? As we know even King David failed.
what more when God says this in

Romans 3:10 (NIV) - As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; Notice the phrase "not even one"? It's there in the Greek. This verse testify it. Not even one means not even one person. Not even Zechariah nor Elizabeth. Though the Bible states they were righteous and blameless observing all of God's command, yet Zachariah did not believe God and Elizabeth was barren. There are inside revelations in there but we will not talk about it for now.

Also take note that it is recorded...the righteous requirement of the law is met "IN" us...not "BY" us. There is a big difference there. IN us there denotes someone else is doing it.

So what is Romans 8 verse is really saying?

We must look at the verse before Romans 8:4 which is verse 3 because verse 4 says "In order that..." meaning there is a preceding happening that causes verse 4. What is it? tells us The law was powerless or weak because of our flesh. Stop. What does that even mean? No one could reach God via the Law because the strength of sin is the Law. The more we try, the more we will fail. How then will this be solved? What is the answer then?

Bible tells us, God send his Son in the likeness of sin... What is this about? Answer = It's about what our Lord Jesus did. That is the answer. There are opposing teaching that tell us Jesus Christ did not come abolish the Law, and not one drop, not even the slightest dot will be remove. That is correct. Why? Because The Law was waiting for only 1 person who could fulfilled it perfectly. His Name is Jesus Christ. Nobody else in Bible History could do it, not even the best of OT, King David.

Jesus Christ was the only one who could fulfil God's Law and meet that Righteous requirement. The Law was waiting for this ONE Messiah who is qualified. NO other person qualifies.

Romans 10:4 tell us; Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Culmination here means the end of the Law for those who believe in Christ.

In Galatians 3:24 and 25 scripture tells us the Law has a time frame until Christ, meaning it is no more after Christ. Until there indicates "up to". It stops at Christ.

Friend, walking after the flesh means you have forgotten you have Christ who has saved you*. Walking after the Spirit means setting your minds to what God wants. Walking after the Spirit is walking and living by Faith in Jesus Christ. You have no power inside of you to fight against sin. How you got saved when you accepted Christ (which is by faith) is exactly how you walk after God's Spirit. It is also by faith. There is no difference there.

You got saved by God not because of your own might or strength. Think about it. Did you do anything that merits it? No isn't it? Likewise fighting against sin and fulfilling "FULLY" God righteous requirement takes faith. No difference. You know without anyone needed to tell you, there is no way you will be able to fulfil it perfectly.

I share this devotion with the purpose for you to know what you have. I share this because I want you to grow and have victory through God. Understand that God sees completion of his righteous requirement of his Law via your acceptance of Christ in your life, not your own performances to his laws. VERY HUGE difference here.

We all need this because the devil wrecks pain and havoc with the believers life like a prowling lion.

When you can begin to understand this, the magnitude of your spiritual life changes so much when you pray, you know God will answer because of what you have here. Being righteous in Christ.

God Bless.

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2 Peter 1: 8-9 (NIV) - For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, * forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.

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What this Christian Fellowship Thread is about?

1 Thessalonians 5:11 (NIV) - Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

It goes without saying the number one priority is always about our God. But I also think it's important for Christians to understand that the very purpose of this thread is to encourage and build one another as how God wills it in 1 Thessalonians 5:11.

I've been here for many years and I've come across many challenges of people trying to break the fellowship. There are comments saying; "I don't get the point of fellowshipping" as this is a forum, etc You can insert whatever reasons but that raise up an alarm for me.

All the more reason to fight against enemies of soul. This place is sanctuary for Christians to gather and to encourage one another.

God Bless

I AM GOD, THERE IS NO OTHERS!

Isaiah 46:3-10 (NIV)

3 “Listen to me, you descendants of Jacob,
all the remnant of the people of Israel,
you whom I have upheld since your birth,
and have carried since you were born.

4 Even to your old age and gray hairs
I am he, I am he who will sustain you.
I have made you and I will carry you;
I will sustain you and I will rescue you.

5 “With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?

6 Some pour out gold from their bags
and weigh out silver on the scales;
they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god,
and they bow down and worship it.

7 They lift it to their shoulders and carry it;
they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
From that spot it cannot move.
Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer;
it cannot save them from their troubles.

8 “Remember this, keep it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.

9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.

10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’

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