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ACTS.5: (NKJV) = Lying to the Holy Spirit

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Ananias, with Sapphira they are not believers.  The Bible will use phrases like brother or sister.

A certain Man means they're still gentile but they're being deceitful by not being honest before God.

You are nobody pastor UW. Now go back to your calvary church and preach to those who buy your special gospel

Friend I think you are arguing without understanding. I can tell you have very little faith in Christ power. You have more confidence in the deeds of Man over God when it comes to Salvation by the way you answer above. What has happen to you? You experience very little with the Lord? You only know in concept and theology but lacks the divine touch from the Lord?

Sorry but you are wrong!

You are implying Jesus during his earthly ministry is different from the Jesus who is in Heaven? He's very forgiving while on his earthly ministry but not so forgiving in heaven? You are implying God no longer dispenses his Grace today? No more miracles?

That is not true.

Jesus is the same Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow.

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Well, we have yet to hear of sick and/or dying Wuhan-virus/Covid-19 patients being healed by Jesus Christ through Christian pastors or priests. So far, many thousands have died in USA and Italy/Spain where many pastors and priests are based. In Malaysia, 53 have died.

Even if there are such miraculous healings, we should be wary based on 2THESS.2:1-9

We need to know the difference between Jesus Christ as God-in-the-flesh on the mission and as the Lamb of God on the Cross wrt forgiveness of unintentional sins vs intentional sins and the removal of their consequences/curses.

Good day.
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Can I share something with you?

As Christian, we should know, physical death is certain but immediately after that, you are more alive than anybody in Heaven compared to those on Earth.

If it's time, it's time, does not matter if due to corona virus or by whatever means.

But that does not mean, we go look for death, No. We need to watch our tongue what we say because the power of LIFE n DEATH is in the tongue (proverbs 18:21).

What's important during this downtime, we all get CLOSE to God.

And that involves spending quiet time with the Lord privately.

I can assure you, it is VERY VERY rewarding. VERY VERY. There will be divine experience affecting this life.

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https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-pastor-di...andemic-1494702 - Virginia Pastor Dies From Coronavirus After Previously Saying 'Media Is Pumping Out Fear' About Pandemic - By Ewan Palmer On 3/27/20

What happened to him.?
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Good day.
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You won't feel at home or at ease sinning, that's a sign you're born again.
Don't really know, perhap it's the pastor time up on Earth.

Psalms 139:6 (NIV) - Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

It depends on the context of the Bible, there's nothing to indicate Annais or Shaphira were believers. If they were, the Bible would have given hints in the next verses or following passages.

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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/...for-coronavirus -  With obesity and diabetes epidemic, Mexico braces for coronavirus - Friday, 27 Mar 2020
''''''' Mexico had 475 confirmed cases of COVID-19 - the illness caused by the virus - and six deaths by Thursday. Four of those who died had diabetes and two suffered from hypertension - both conditions that can exacerbate the illness. A seventh Mexican who died in Peru also had diabetes. While four of the victims were over age 60, the other two were 55 and 41. '''''''

Most of those who died from the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 had underlying diseases, especially diabetes and hypertension. Type-2 diabetes is often caused by a lifestyle of laziness and/or gluttony. Hypertension is often caused by a lifestyle of gluttony for meat or foods high in cholesterol(= sticky stuffs). So, these deaths may likely be a case of 'you reap what you sow' or 'karma is a bitch' or padan muka. .......

PROV.19 & 23: = 19:15 Laziness casts one into a deep sleep,
And an idle person will suffer hunger.

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He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul,
But he who is careless of his ways will die.

23:20
Do not mix with winebibbers,
Or with gluttonous eaters of meat;

Good day.
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You cannot say that. You wouldn't know what actually happened. Nobody knows..only God knows.

Can you stop being so ..........mean to other people? Don't say things like padan muka or the B word... when we don't know what actually happened?

This is not Christ like.

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At ACTS.5, the apostle Peter knew Ananias and Sapphira, the married couple, by name = he was acquainted with them = they were not strangers to Peter. From this, logically, Ananias and Sapphira were not unbelievers.

Peter accused Ananias of lying to the Holy Spirit of God. Why would Peter do so if Ananias was an unbeliever, ie did not believe in Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit.? IOW, technically-speaking, unbelievers could not lie to the Holy Spirit of God. It's like accusing an atheist of lying to God. So, it might have been unjust for God to judge and kill Ananias and Sapphira for lying to His Spirit if they were not believers.

And why would the early Church believers feared greatly if God killed unbelievers for lying to Him/His Spirit since "good" believers would not have lied(= not killed by God), ie only  evil unbelievers would have lied(= killed by God), as per your interpretation.?
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Good day.
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Maybe this can help.

In Acts 4:32, it says "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had"

Very likely Ananias and Sapphira were not part of the believers else they would have the same One Heart and gladly shared everything they had. Peter mention about Satan and heart though.

Maybe this can be seen as cruel but God protects his church. If anyone is out to deceive, we need to really be careful with such people, we don't know what's next.

In fact I would be glad that God protects his own.

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/s...rma-is-a-bitch/ - KARMA IS A BITCH - Shweta Sehgal - February 24, 2018

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/1/26/169...kreayshawn-meme - The best memes are nonsense and I love ‘karma is a bitch’ - It doesn’t have to hold together to be funny - By Kaitlyn Tiffany@kait_tiffany Jan 26, 2018


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I think the word 'bitch' is only offensive if directed at women, ie not offensive if directed at a dog and karma. Hence, publications do use 'karma is a bitch'.

Padan muka is same as just desserts.

Seems, quite a number of word police officers or legalists on the Internet.

Good day.
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I know what you're trying to say, but it's a rude word lah.

We need to either reduce it or stop it completely if can.

Best is to stop it completely..I know easier said than done but just submit to Holy Spirit.

Maybe this can help.

In Acts 4:32, it says "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had"

Very likely Ananias and Sapphira were not part of the believers else they would have the same One Heart and gladly shared everything they had. Peter mention about Satan and heart though.

Maybe this can be seen as cruel but God protects his church. If anyone is out to deceive, we need to really be careful with such people, we don't know what's next.

In fact I would be glad that God protects his own.

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1COR.5: = Immorality Defiles the Church

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
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Well, as above, God has laid out one of the most important ways to protect His Church from immoral or sinning or law-breaking believers, not unbelievers. This way of protection could have applied to Ananias as a believer, ie "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" = be killed to death.

Good day.
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err....so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord? Not killed to death lah.

Destruction of the flesh does not mean physical body but the nature of the flesh (The Sin character)

If it's really physical death, how can the person be saved on the Day of Lord? No chance for the person to walk in redemption..no?

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GEN.6: = . 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

1COR.3: =  15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Your interpretation is likely wrong, as if God is a no-good Father who often spares the rod and spoils His child who grows up to become a rotten rascal.

Good day.
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Dude
1 Corinthians 5:5 (NIV) - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. <-----underline
you got read or not?

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2PETER.3: = The Day of the Lord

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

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1THESS.4: = The Comfort of Christ’s Coming

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

"that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord" refers to the resurrection of believers at the 2nd Coming of the Lord to earth = the day of the Lord. It is similar to the saved robber who was crucified next to Jesus at LUKE.23:43 who will be resurrected and similar to .......

1COR.3: =  14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone [b]defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Why do you think God is allowing the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 to kill thousands of people.? It's similar to "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh". It's not to give them time on earth to repent and repent and for their spirit to be saved by further teachings on the day of the Lord.
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Good day.
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How is a believer saved on the day of the Lord, if it's physical death (handed over to Satan) and not given the chance to walk in redemption?

"Because they have sinned?" Some sinless people most righteous also met with disasters, Job is a good example. The most sinful people- politicians, lawyers, murderers all are living a good life.

So how do we answer the non-believers?

Thanks in advance.

You are welcome.

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Afaik;

Actually Job had ignorantly sinned against God - JOB.1:5 & 3:25 - by mis-believing that his sons' likely coming sins/evil-deeds would cause him to lose all his hard-earned prosperity. Only about 400 years later, was it revealed by God at EXO.20:5-6 that this was not true, ie only the forefathers' sins would befall on the sons.

God may test one's faith, eg by commanding faithful Abraham to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, but the story of Job was not about God suka-suka testing the faith of a sinless and faithful person by suka-suka allowing Satan to afflict him/her. .......

1JOHN.5: (NKJV) = 18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps  himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

For further information about this Protestant issue, see my thread at RWI.
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The Bible says that in the last days before the 2nd Coming of the Lord to earth for judgment, He would/will allow the lawless one (= the wicked one) to run wild on earth, likely to show the world how unconverted Man could/can become depraved in wickedness, evilness, sins, lawlessness and unrighteousness like during GEN.6:5 = just look at USA today, eg atheism is trendy and LGBTQism is running riot, even in some Churches - 2THESS.2:1-13, 1TIM.4, 2TIM.3.

Good day.
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How do you define sin?

Another good topic to bring discuss.

In layman's term. Please don't throw me a bunch of verses, you can have verses, but I appreciate human explanation as well. Because one verse can be interpreted differently by other people in different times in different context. And that's what discussion is about. We discuss.

Good day.

Have you ever practise loving your enemies?

Have you your friends?  Like this as you did desmond and me?
By posting these nonsense?

I think maybe he want to cekik you then only satisfy. 

Give it a break, matey. The more you post about others, the more judgement on yourself.

YES I have. Don't think my life is confound only in this forum. There are real life people out there whom I've suffered greatly for a long time but I practise what Christ ask me to.

I posted that because I don't see both you doing it.

So.....I've answered.

Have you?

ROMANS.5: (NKJV) = Death in Adam, Life in Christ

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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For salvation from hell, we need the righteousness and righteous act of Jesus Christ on the Cross to atone for our unintentionally inherited Adam's Original Sin. Our own righteousness and righteous acts of the Law, eg did not commit murder, adultery, stealing, blasphemy, etc, could never save us from hell because we have an evil or devilish heart that occasionally sin-in-thoughts involuntarily or unintentionally, eg immoral sexual lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, etc, in our hearts = we do not qualify for the kingdom of heaven on our own = we are bound for hell if without the righteousness and righteous act of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

But salvation from hell  at the point of conversion by faith is not the 'be all and end all'. Once born-again of the Holy Spirit of God, we need to cooperate with God's Spirit to allow Him to implant His laws in our hearts and minds, especially for most new Gentile Christians who were lawless Gentiles previously. For Jewish Christians like the apostles, God's Spirit had no problem implanting His laws in their hearts and minds because most of them were law-abiding Jews previously. In this way, God's Holy Spirit who indwell us could empower us to keep the Law or do righteous acts(= our righteousness) easily = through a change of our hearts by the Spirit.
....... This is vital for believers because sinning/breaking the Law willfully or intentionally(= their unrighteousness) for whatever reasons, eg ignorance, belief in false teachings, etc, will bring on the earthly curses of God or His agents upon them (1COR.5:5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-17, HEB.10:26-31) since such intentional sins /law-breaking cannot be forgiven or atoned, as per LEVITICUS - murderers may be executed, rapists and robbers will be jailed, etc.  If while suffering for their sins/unrighteousness, they somehow lose faith in God/Jesus-Christ = will lose salvation, eg JOB.2:9, 1TIM.4:1.

Good day.
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Very well explained. Thanks.

So how do you define unintentional sin? A real context please.

Then what's righteousness?

(No rush - one lesson a day is good enough  )

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/s...rma-is-a-bitch/ - KARMA IS A BITCH - Shweta Sehgal - February 24, 2018

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/1/26/169...kreayshawn-meme - The best memes are nonsense and I love ‘karma is a bitch’ - It doesn’t have to hold together to be funny - By Kaitlyn Tiffany@kait_tiffany Jan 26, 2018


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I think the word 'bitch' is only offensive if directed at women, ie not offensive if directed at a dog and karma. Hence, publications do use 'karma is a bitch'.

Padan muka is same as just desserts.

Seems, quite a number of word police officers or legalists on the Internet.

Good day.
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I know what you're trying to say, but it's a rude word lah.

We need to either reduce it or stop it completely if can.

Best is to stop it completely..I know easier said than done but just submit to Holy Spirit.

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http://ashleigh-veterinary-centre.com/info...e-of-the-bitch/ - 5. Rearing the puppies and care of the bitch

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/dog-breed...bitch-part-one/ -
The Care and Feeding of the Breeding Bitch – Part One - By AKC Staff - May 04, 2015

Eg the stray bitch outside kopitiam just had a litter of puppies. My bitch has been neutered, so no problem with too many puppies.

This sounds OK.?

Good day.
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Refering to actual animal is ok lah but when refer to human...rude lah for Christians to say things like this.

Like I said before, the Lord/God Jesus Christ did not raise any "higher laws". The ("lower") law of love your neighbor as yourself(and hate your enemy) for the Jews or love one another for Gentile and Jewish Christians remains and has not been destroyed or replaced by Jesus Christ.

If you keep the "higher law" of loving your enemies, you must also keep the other "higher laws" of plucking out your eyes and cutting off your limbs, and selling all your possessions and giving everything to the Church(= not keeping a part of it for yourself like Ananias of ACTS.5).

Misbelief can bring us a whole lot of trouble and foolishness, eg turn the other cheek, lend to all who ask, etc.

Good day.

So you're saying the Bible recorded Matthew 5:27-30 is an error?

Or

You're saying don't obey Christ?
Which is it?

It is offensive - no need to argue more.

Same with calling Blacks a nigga.

Or a man dickhead.

When something needs to be argued ...that's what lawyer's do, from a criminal can argue till it becomes a victim of the crime.

And I hope as Christians, we can refrain from using these words f, s, b, etc. It's ugly especially for someone at the pulpit to say it.

The heart knows it's not right, it's the mind that keeps challenging it.

Context can be given in God's ways, or in human's way (hey, calling it a bitch is ok, you know - it's everyday's word). And if we want to follow arguments of man, then no point discussing it, isn't it?

Is it ok for me to call men dickhead?

It only means a stupid, irritating, or ridiculous man.

Is it ok?

What about whore? It only means works as a prostitutes.

Is that ok?

Don't equate everything to God creating this and that.

Bible has stories about incest - are you promoting it or reading it within a context?

You mean God creates Incest, and hence we can practice it?

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Are people who use the term 'karma is a bitch' intending to insult women.?

It is OK for you to say 'karma is a dick'(if dick = something unpleasant) or 'payback is a dick' or 'life is a dick', but not OK for you to insult a good and intelligent man by calling him a 'dickhead'.
....... Did I insult a good woman by calling her a bitch.?

Why did Jesus Christ referred to the mostly sexually-immoral Gentiles as dogs, whom He did not minister to when He was physically on earth.?
....... It's important for Christians to discern between good and evil.

Good day.
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You seem to be a lawyer for karma is a bitch.

if your only justification is karma is a bitch, hence bitch is an ok word, good for you.

So standard 1 they can start teaching kids, hey, karma is a bitch. Now let me educate you what bitch is, it actually just means female dog. Let's say it together, BITCH, B-I-T-C-H. Yeah, Karma Bitch. That's it, don't use it wrongly.

Sound right to you? Use your heart, not your mind now.

Incest is even more interesting - a verb - requires an action from us. Let's do it?

I will stop here. Cheers.