The point is, to say we did not inherit sin iniquity is wrong. The phrase create in me a clean hearts tells you. If you already have a clean heart from beginning, you don't ask for one.

Desmond....really...

Not my theology but from scripture, when you confess with your mouth, it means you understand and recognize you cannot save yourself but you need Jesus Christ to save you. That you accept Sin is wrong, He died on the cross for your sin, meaning He died representing you.

If you want to talk about repentance works, that comes as work of God (*notice it is of God) to which you cannot force or put demands because the workings come from God, not you or anyone.

So with that being said, with the understanding, by the confession of our mouth, we are saved as promised by The Lord.

Are you barking up the wrong tree?

I'm not contending about law or grace here but to dispute Mr Wong, that we did not inherit iniquity or depravity from birth.

lol.  What is your problem here brother?

What is the issue really?

   

Are you okay? Of course you talk to God by your mouth. Moses did that, As any of the OT, even Jesus speak to God the Father by mouth.

So of confession here has to do with the mouth, even the scripture says the word mouth here.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Adoi......are you arguing for the sake of arguing until don't know what to say anymore?

lol, So this is another subject altogether nothing to do with the contention with mr wong then? You are barking up the wrong tree with this sudden argument.

What is so perplexing about it? It's in the Bible.

Abraham until Moses, the people who sin by murmuring did not die, if that is not grace, then what is it?

From Moses then on, when the Israelites sin by same type of sin..example murmuring they died, if that is not under law, then what is it?

The Law was proclaim until John the baptist, that is in Luke 16:16, if it isn't stated as it is, then what is it?

When Jesus Christ came, He brought in Grace, that is in John 1:17, if that is not what it says, then what is it?

Are you asking a Salvation question or works related question?

What do you mean who teaches me all these ideas? You don't read your bible? If you want to dispute on what you'd think is perplexing, go ahead, prove what was written as wrong.
Because you are known to be sarcastic and demeaning whenever you talk to me, so I have no choice but to be specific with you. So what are you trying to ask really? 

Yes it matters.

As for Salvation, my Lord Jesus Christ saved me, not me, not my works or what I do.

As for works, my Lord Jesus Christ is my life and He is the one who works in me and I acknowledge all grace and enablement is due to His Glory.

So what are you trying to ask really?

See? you being demeaning and sarcastic.

What are you trying to ask really if those answer is not what you are asking?

Where in Romans 10, does it say all that above?

Erm, I'm asking you where in Romans 10, does it correlates on this confession of mouth to Water Baptism, Holy Communion and Work deeds?

Look at the context of Romans 10, it's talking about preaching. Nothing mention of Holy Communion or Water baptism here, not even works deeds.

and look at verse 12, the focus is on the believers who calls out to God, not to fellow believers or non believers.

The key phrase is on "ALL who call on Him". Him here refers to God being the one who receive this call.

It's interesting.... where do you did get your understanding Romans 10 is correlating all that you've said?

So do you concede nothing in Romans 10, talks about all that you suggested? This confession has to do with preaching.

The key of that verse in 12 is " all who call on him"

Nothing to indicate the confession is for believers or non believer..beside, they can't save you. This whole thing is on Salvation.

Is that what Romans 10 is saying?

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

I didn't know the phrase hearing here is referring to showing deeds.

How is this not clear?

Romans 10 here is on Confession of the mouth, believing in the Heart on Lord Jesus Christ  for Salvation through preaching. Care to show where in Romans 10 that tell us otherwise.

If you cannot, then whatever you want to say whether it's a joke to you or that you are speechless, I think is of no importance to me. Sorry.

It is the same word meaning for flesh, but your misinterpretation ignores the entire Scripture as a whole. Flesh BY ITSELF profits nothing if the Spirit is not there to give it life. Our Lord contradicts those with the cannibal point of view (like you do) that when He asks them to eat His flesh and drink His blood HIS WORDS ARE TRUE AND ARE SPIRIT AND ARE LIFE, because a cannibal eats the flesh of a DEAD person (no life, no spirit). But Our Lord is alive, not dead!

If you are saying Jesus' physical flesh is worthless, you deny the truth of the Passion itself and the entire history of redemption!

Now you might quote Romans 8 where it says we should live according to the Spirit and not the flesh. There's a difference between human sinful nature (calling MrWongSF, are you listening?) and our Lord's Human Nature which isn't tainted by sin. Just because the same word "flesh" is used in Romans 8, I'm sure you wouldn't include Our Lord being the Word made flesh to be included in that context!

Actually Romans 3:28 does not have the word "alone".

So does it mean we don't need to bear the "fruit of the Spirit"? If one bears the fruit of Spirit when one is in living in the grace of God, is that against your teaching?This is the crux of your disagreement with MrWongSF.

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.