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Yeah surr not about salvation, so what it is? Justification among human?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:23 PM) Yeah surr not about salvation, so what it is? Justification among human? lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:39 PM) Lulz you have problem answer simple question with straight answer? lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:41 PM) Why not? How is that mean salvation by preaching?Romans 10: 12-15 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:43 PM) You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;James 2:22 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.2.22.ESV You have any problem with word of god as stated above? This post has been edited by desmond2020: Dec 10 2020, 03:48 PM lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:48 PM) Since when sacrificing Isaac or anyone else ( if you don't want to put Isaac) is the key to Salvation? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.You have any problem in word of God as stated in the Bible? James 2:26 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.2.26.ESV And you dont understand this verse as well? |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:49 PM) 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” f I am amazed with way you understand bible14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? How is it not? Have you ask around if other among yiur friend understand it the same way as you? |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:56 PM) Abraham was already justified righteous way before there was Isaac. So you think there is need to justifications among humanSince when attempt of sacrifice or killing a life here is something justified before God? The verse above by using the example of Abraham is here is to make a point of works without Faith is dead is correct but what is the justification about? Before Man or God? What profit it bring? Very unique mind you have there |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:59 PM) Saved by calling god name? Or saved by preaching? lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 04:01 PM) Why not? People can’t see with their physical eyes that you have been justified by faith. They can’t see that God has made you righteous. They condemn or justify you based on what you do. You may tell people, “God has justified me and made me righteous through faith in Christ,” but they are not necessarily going to believe you or give weight to your words until they see your works. That is not justification, that is as witness of god and jesusMan you are unique |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 04:05 PM) Jesus said, “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven” (Matt. 5:16). So pastor UW, what does witness do? Give testimony right."THEY" may see your good work? & "Glorify" God the Father? It's not just about witness. Lol |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 11 2020, 10:18 AM) James 2 Rahab should tell the truth?!!! 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. James is making a point of this case. He ask this question, you have faith but without works, can this type of Faith save them? Notice it's saving them? Save here is referring to delivering the person out of situation it is NOT talking about Eternal life. How do we know this? Look at the examples given. Providing for another fellow Christians who are in need. The word save, though it does refer to Salvation but it's the SAME word use for healing and for deliverance. So we need to use wisdom to see in what context the writer is making a case. Besides, for those who love to use the examples of good works pertaining to Abraham sacrificing Isaac: if you consider the acts that “justified” both Abraham and Rahab—attempted murder and lying, respectively—these are hardly moral acts or good examples of obeying the law. Ohmai this is impressive |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 11 2020, 10:49 AM) Besides what has sacrificing a person (Isaac) or telling lies has to do with Salvation? So should judas iscariot being commended for telling truth to roman soldier on whereabout of jesus?Absolutely nothing. As mentioned, these are hardly moral acts or good examples of obeying the law. Nothing in the book of James 2 points works without deed is justification for Salvation. The examples given cannot justify even for Salvation. I agree with there is no contradiction between what James says and what the apostle Paul teaches. What many people don’t realize is that what James is referring to here is justification before men. Jesus said, “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven”. James 2 attest to that. Salvation is a FREE gift. Gift is no longer call a gift if you need to merit it by works. That is why the Bible use the analogy of wages owed because you work for it. Romans 3:24 tells us; and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Understand the word "freely". It cannot be free if you need to merit by your performance. This is where I believe Yeeck, Desmond and Wong have missed it. |
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