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desmond2020
post Dec 10 2020, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:23 PM)
lol. The word save in James 2 is not about Salvation. Go see the examples given.
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Yeah surr not about salvation, so what it is?

Justification among human?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:26 PM)
Look at the examples given, Provide cloth & food, sacrificing isaac, etc.

What has that got to do with Salvation?
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So what justification mean in james 2, according to UW?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:31 PM)
Look at the phrase use in context..."Can such faith save them?" and then James use those example.  laugh.gif
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So abraham is not saved?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Dec 10 2020, 03:29 PM)
So UW only understands that as material salvation lolz....
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In book of roman 10 he think there is salvation by preaching
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:39 PM)
Read verse 14 THEN read verse 15.
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Lulz you have problem answer simple question with straight answer?


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post Dec 10 2020, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:42 PM)
bcos Yeeck quoted verse 14 in contention?

U have a problem of differentiating what was asked?
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So is abraham not saved?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:41 PM)
Why not?

Romans 10: 12-15

12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent?
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How is that mean salvation by preaching?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:43 PM)
What has Abraham saved got to do with sacrificing Isaac?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
James 2:22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.2.22.ESV


You have any problem with word of god as stated above?

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post Dec 10 2020, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:44 PM)
Read verse 14
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I read it and it have nothing to do with salvation by preaching
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:48 PM)
Since when sacrificing Isaac or anyone else ( if you don't want to put Isaac) is the key to Salvation?

You have any problem in word of God as stated in the Bible?
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For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
James 2:26 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.2.26.ESV

And you dont understand this verse as well?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:49 PM)
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” f
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

How is it not?
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I am amazed with way you understand bible

Have you ask around if other among yiur friend understand it the same way as you?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:56 PM)
Abraham was already justified righteous way before there was Isaac.

Since when attempt of sacrifice or killing a life here is something justified before God?

The verse above by using the example of Abraham is here is to make a point of works without Faith is dead is correct but what is the justification about?

Before Man or God?
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So you think there is need to justifications among human
What profit it bring?

Very unique mind you have there
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:56 PM)
Which part of verse 13 and 14 says otherwise?
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Is there a word called 'salvation' in those two verses?
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post Dec 10 2020, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:58 PM)
Jesus said, “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven” (Matt. 5:16).
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Is there a word called justification in that verse?

Yes or no question
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post Dec 10 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 03:59 PM)
Yes, verse 13.
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Saved by calling god name? Or saved by preaching?
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post Dec 10 2020, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 04:01 PM)
Why not? People can’t see with their physical eyes that you have been justified by faith. They can’t see that God has made you righteous. They condemn or justify you based on what you do. You may tell people, “God has justified me and made me righteous through faith in Christ,” but they are not necessarily going to believe you or give weight to your words until they see your works.
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That is not justification, that is as witness of god and jesus


Man you are unique
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post Dec 10 2020, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 04:02 PM)
Then read verse 14..slowly.  smile.gif
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Well, what even float your boat of unique mind
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post Dec 10 2020, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2020, 04:05 PM)
Jesus said, “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven” (Matt. 5:16).

"THEY" may see your good work? & "Glorify" God the Father?

It's not just about witness.
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So pastor UW, what does witness do? Give testimony right.

Lol
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post Dec 11 2020, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 11 2020, 10:18 AM)
James 2

14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
James is making a point of this case. He ask this question, you have faith but without works, can this type of Faith save them? Notice it's saving them? Save here is referring to delivering the person out of situation it is NOT talking about Eternal life.

How do we know this? Look at the examples given. Providing for another fellow Christians who are in need.

The word save, though it does refer to Salvation but it's the SAME word use for healing and for deliverance. So we need to use wisdom to see in what context the writer is making a case.

Besides, for those who love to use the examples of good works pertaining to Abraham sacrificing Isaac: if you consider the acts that “justified” both Abraham and Rahab—attempted murder and lying, respectively—these are hardly moral acts or good examples of obeying the law.
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Rahab should tell the truth?!!!


Ohmai this is impressive
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post Dec 11 2020, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 11 2020, 10:49 AM)
Besides what has sacrificing a person (Isaac) or telling lies has to do with Salvation?

Absolutely nothing. As mentioned, these are hardly moral acts or good examples of obeying the law.

Nothing in the book of James 2 points works without deed is justification for Salvation. The examples given cannot justify even for Salvation.

I agree with there is no contradiction between what James says and what the apostle Paul teaches. What many people don’t realize is that what James is referring to here is justification before men.

Jesus said, “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven”. James 2 attest to that.

Salvation is a FREE gift. Gift is no longer call a gift if you need to merit it by works. That is why the Bible use the analogy of wages owed because you work for it.

Romans 3:24 tells us;

and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Understand the word "freely". It cannot be free if you need to merit by your performance.

This is where I believe Yeeck, Desmond and Wong have missed it.
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So should judas iscariot being commended for telling truth to roman soldier on whereabout of jesus?

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