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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V2, Comparison and advice needed...

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nismo91
post Jul 14 2009, 10:22 PM

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the quality depends on your liking. u DID NOT give enough explanation.
please, elaborate more, like i give u the example. 1 is not enough.

guy A likes sweet milk, he says milk quality depends on sweetness
guy B likes fresh milk, he says milk quality depends on freshness.

of course, everybody knows different quality different to people.
for me, quality bass is as a mentioned, on low volume but can let me feel the pulse of the bass.

please, EXPLAIN, what u like on your music in detail, as detail as possible.
alot of us here trying to help u in detail, if you dont give details, might as well i answer u shortly also, save my time.
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post Jul 22 2009, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(YoNgZ @ Jul 22 2009, 01:11 PM)
hello all experts there, i'm currently using altec lansing MX5021, i planned to change to a new speakers.....

I'm staying @ hostel right now and the room is small so i think 2.1 is the only alternative..... i'm pure dumb when come to audio stuffs....
I listen to techno , emo chinese songs, R&B , and those famous songs like jay chou etc if u get wat i mean depending on my mood LOL....
my budjet is around 600-1k.....

Any recommendations from the experts here?? thanks alot
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MX5021 is already good for computer speakers. u just need to get a good soundcard for it.
u plan to buy new one cause of? which part of MX5021 is not satisfying?

i recommend getting a soundcard first, most will be satisfied. rather than u buy a new speaker...
but if now u already use decent soundcard, then can get new one...
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post Jul 22 2009, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(YoNgZ @ Jul 22 2009, 05:35 PM)
oh i dun use sound card =( the reason why i'm changing is because i'm bringing back my mx5021 to my hometown for my brother LOL..... amagad i didnt noe that ALL speakers nid SC... i tot only high-end speakers nid......

xD If you're getting S730D, it'll bring you a lot of trouble coz you're staying at hostel... Ur housemates and ur neighbours above, below and beside you will keep on visiting you  <---- LOL THIS IS COOL.... i didnt noe edifier is so good nowadays.... T.T coz i only use altec so far....

and if i get S70D, do u think  it's ok for a small room? i'm living in a twin sharing room, 2 beds, 2 wardrobes, 2 study table and some walkable space LOL.... [5-6m Wide and 7-8m Length somewhere around that i roughly calculate only...

btw..... so overall here experts recommend me getting a s730? so what soundcard should i buy? how much is the sound card? and for my mx5021 what soundcard should i nid for that? any recommendations? T.T
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for me, actually i suggest getting a soundcard if your speaker value is 2x than the soundcard.
would not make sense if i bought RM200 speaker and RM200 sc. 24-bit onboard + RM400 spk will beat it.
when it comes to high end speaker, good soundcard is usually used, to balance the input and output liao.
how if a RM1500 speaker connected to an onboard soundcard? doh.gif

im not sure about S730D in small room, but i doubt it would be good. cause the bigger the speaker, the bigger the room need to be.
well thats my personal opinion..

5x8m should be okay.. i think S730D can liao... better if u can audition the S730D before buying.
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post Jul 22 2009, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(YoNgZ @ Jul 22 2009, 10:31 PM)
LOL shit.....my room is not 5x8.... my room is 4m width 5m length....

do u think s730 fits in such space? LOL amagad......
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4x5 is quite small liao... but im not sure how S730 perform in small room, from what i know, its meant for medium room.
but for sure, mx5021 is for small room. so if MX5021 is not lacking, S730D may just fits, or its too big.


i've auditioned S730 couple of times, but only at shops. so don't know what is the characteristic.
u can ask chingwooi about this though...

QUOTE(cuppacino @ Jul 22 2009, 10:35 PM)
i've browsed through that. there are plenty of people asking for recommendations. but they just ignore those having a budget < rm2000.  sad.gif
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haha cause most is below 1000 one liao... for <2000 the only choice is klipsch promedia ultra or z5500. but klipsch eol long time alredy...
so maybe logitech. for htib, no idea from me...
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post Jul 22 2009, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(YoNgZ @ Jul 22 2009, 10:49 PM)
wah headache lor like this......if i open decent volume? 1 bar or 2 bar? is it ok?
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that doesnt matter if loud or not. as the andrew said, got resonance problem.

i dont want to explain, since i already write my story couple of times here...
but the bottomline is, if u got a speaker that's too big for your room, it will underperform significantly.

u may try checking out Edifier S530 or Edifier DA5000Pro. im pretty sure that one suit your room size.


Added on July 22, 2009, 11:13 pm
QUOTE(cuppacino @ Jul 22 2009, 10:56 PM)
u know.. i've been wondering. isn't the Quality of the s730 that is what matters when buying the speaker ? it doesn't mean that u must crank the volume of more expensive speaker just because it can right ?
so why does the room size matter ? resonance and such can be tone down with acoustic foam and such, no ?
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room size matters! the smaller the room, the sound cannot spread. and, some speakers are designed differently.
small speakers like example, edifier MP300, is meant for close-field listening. it will sound good if u listen <0.5m to the speaker.

but for the case of bigger speaker, (not sure with S730) they are meant for far listener. technically, they provide better sounds at a further distance.
if your room is small, it reflect the sound and it will mix up. u can try acoustic foam, but the "sweetspot" of the speaker is still far.
so although the echo is absorbed, the sweetspot is still beyond your sitting position, cause room is too small.

and of course, your 1st question, some ppl thought bigger mean can blast... not always. the better the speaker, the more "quality" it gives.
so beside more quantity, more quality should be given.

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post Jul 23 2009, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jul 23 2009, 01:40 AM)
Er, the 4x5m you mentioned there is it the space left for you to place the speaker or wut?

@Nismo, you're not pretty impressed by the S730D performance eh?  tongue.gif

@Coffee, you can consider the S550 or S750 as well? Not sure they're Hi-Fi or not though xD
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yeah. its so huge, but it doesnt make me feel the pulse when i listen to it.. thats my priority no1... laugh.gif

and, cause i saw in other forum, someone mentioned he cannot get a proper position for his new S730D cause his room too small.
my verdict is that, it will be same case as ifi, need to put in big room to sound nice. icon_rolleyes.gif


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post Jul 23 2009, 02:10 AM

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haha of course... S530D and aego m is lower class liao...

anyway, the edifier that impress me in first looks and sound, S2000V.
but unfortunately never seen any store selling... touch of class, much cheaper than S2000 (never met or listen). if i were to choose, at RM1000 : S2000V
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post Jul 23 2009, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(YoNgZ @ Jul 23 2009, 07:22 PM)
since my room is small i think i'll go for s530..... is it good for movie and musics? T.T
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yes i recommend S530 more than S730 since the room size is small. but u can always audition them first...
cause maybe u will like how S730 sound. the only thing matters is the room size....
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post Jul 26 2009, 01:43 AM

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no, tell him its impossible to bring S730D alone in bus and LRT. laugh.gif
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post Jul 28 2009, 06:16 PM

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well u cannot experience real 5.1 with that way. get a soundcard (example of cheap one would be x-fi 5.1 surround usb, but i dont recommend it)

if u put in headphone, all sounds output in 5.1 will only be stereo.
you must use 5.1 capable soundcard to utilize the speaker properly.. hmm.gif
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post Jul 28 2009, 06:52 PM

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that's why he need to get something like the x-fi surround 5.1 which i;ve owned in the year 2008 and i can say it really waste for a "multi" use.

i thought i'd like to use it on desktop and laptop. end up my desktop get many bsod, for old laptop it waste battery quickly and creative apps often crash. in vista (new laptop) it also slightly buggy, doesnt sound as good as early xp driver. but early xp driver got bug in volume wheel. doh.gif

he got xonar u1 and m3500. really unfortunate = totally incompatible... doh.gif
p.s. i dont know how xonar u1 handles 5.1, so i assume only in digital spdif.

anyway, i forgot, another solution is to use external decoder, otherwise, change the speaker or soundcard...

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post Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM

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laugh.gif to make things easy:

- Edifier M3500 supports Analog 5.1 only
- Asus Xonar U1 supports Digital 5.1 only

some things u can do to feel 5.1 experience
- sell U1, get laptop soundcard can support analog 5.1
- sell M3500, speakers that support digital 5.1
- get a external decoder if u dunwan sell anything
- or in case u upgrade laptop, get something has onboard analog 5.1
(acer aspire gemstone series have it, mine is 5930G and has onboard 5.1)


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post Jul 28 2009, 11:47 PM

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well im not sure. but not very cheap... example is creative DDTS100

if you looking for affordable way, creative x-fi surround 5.1 usb, is the cheap approach. just sell the U1 and can get x-fi 5.1 usb with little top up.

otherwise, if cost alot, might as well i recommend upgrade the M3500...
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post Aug 1 2009, 11:34 PM

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299 for S550D? or 1299? 299 i buy 3 sets liao lol
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post Aug 2 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Edifier @ Aug 2 2009, 07:53 AM)
HCS5640
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wah new model ah? i just google "hcd5640" comes out :
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looks nice... i havent buy the R501... might fall in love with this one.. laugh.gif
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post Aug 4 2009, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(:+:JerRy:+: @ Aug 4 2009, 10:30 PM)
Ya a? Discont ady izit?  shocking.gif
Budget is <RM400. Which model? Promise nice bass and nice clarity. Thanks
Exactly..  tongue.gif
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many Klipsch products discontinued already... though their product very nice one...
RM400 nothing for a nice bass and nice clarity. u want bass can try logitech z2300. mx5021 is not good. but if u like, its ur call...
for clarity, go edifier S330.
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post Aug 5 2009, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(:+:JerRy:+: @ Aug 5 2009, 12:25 AM)
Alright. Thanks for the advices.
How about Altec Lansing latest models?
AL VS4221 AND AL FX4021?
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i do not really recommend altec lansing. they used to be good. especially in past 6 years or beyond. now their products... really sucks.
especially after they change the logo for second time. which means the organization have been restructured 2x.

if MX5021 is not really good, imo the 4221 and 4021 will be worse. i used to also search for same criteria as u, but found nothing. (RM400)
until i decided to 'eye' on the R501. probably getting it by end of this month. wink.gif
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post Aug 25 2009, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(akachester @ Aug 25 2009, 08:43 AM)
Alright. Thanks alot. Will start "burning" it tonight and see whether the sound are better or not smile.gif Weird thing about the C3 is that the damn remote control have 2 volume buttons. I wonder why tongue.gif
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as zs said, need time to burn in liao... i listen to my new R501 day by day i realized there are some differences between new and not-new.
that is why sometimes i like to buy second speaker in good condition, because totally burnt already. lol

anyway, the remote, i saw it. its indeed good, because some people like me like to adjust + & - volume frequently. so if one button spoilt, u still have spare button. laugh.gif
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post Aug 31 2009, 11:05 AM

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u must listen first if u want satisfaction. cause most ppl here recommend edifier. most ppl from youtube recommend altec etc. its just matter of a popularity of a product in a region.

u want bass, get the altec, u want crips highs, get the edifier.
i personally recommend edifier E3100. decent performer.
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post Aug 31 2009, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(B u B u @ Aug 31 2009, 01:24 PM)
Currently Im thinking of getting a new set of sound system and soundcard, my budget for both items is RM500.

I believe that with onboard sound card the speaker will not be able to performs, so please ya recommend me a sound card as well.

Setting my eyes on Logitech Z4, is it OK?

If you're going to tell me Edifier's, please tell me why and the difference with Z4.

Million thanks.

(gaming and music purposes, like tight and good bass and treble is important too)

TQqqq
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u would not want Z4 after you see this

as angel said (below), its hard to find good both combo for 500. my suggestion is, get the speaker first. and upgrade soundcard when another payday comes. laugh.gif anyway just 2 cents.

difference is : edifier signature = bright sound, logitech signature = boomy bass.
its their signature, from most of their products, but not all. trust me u gonna have to listen before making decision. your ears arent the same with ours.

QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 31 2009, 03:59 PM)
I think it's hard to get a good combination of SC + Speaker for RM500.
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