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se800i
post Jul 24 2019, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(geekystef @ Jul 20 2019, 02:15 PM)
Thanks for your input. Actually, when I said sifus, i refer to everyone here. I consider everyone more knowledgeable than myself because I'm eager to learn. I really appreciate your perspective.

It does seem the govt is aggressive in helping these developers. Not sure if it's good or bad. Maybe it is good when one is in need of a cheaper place. But bad if you want to sell one yourself, I guess.

I read about various problems with newer developments, not that the older ones are without problems of course...
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if you want to learn more, you may attend those property guru classes like adrian wee. I am not promoting his classes but i will say that you can learn something there since your family member already have this unit fully paid off the loan installment.

QUOTE(vckc @ Jul 20 2019, 03:22 PM)
Unfortunately, I hate to tell you that there is no bubble at this point in time.

This is a normal market cycle which goes up and down. The long term trend is always up. If you can hold on, hold longer.

A lot of people feel that a bubble has formed because of the rapid growth of property prices from 2009 - 2013. But property prices have more than doubled since the financial crisis in 98.

What if let's say this theoretical "bubble" pops. How much of correction are we looking at? 10%? 20%? Will this be overnight?

Realistically, this will not happen. Since 2014 - 2019 there has been a drop in prices of about 20% but that is a slow gradual landing. (Mostly in the secondary market).

Because anything more than 30% drop will cause a recession in Malaysia that will take many years to get out of. BNM and the government in charge will intervene and drop interest rates to keep the economy growing and get it out of the rut (so to speak).

If you really observe, developers are selling at more affordable prices now (We are seeing 3xxk, 4xxk launches, the norm in 2014 was about 5xxk and above) but that comes with a cost of higher density and smaller sizes.

There is a softer demand for sub-sale properties because of the HOC. There is, of course, plenty of deals now in the secondary market because of this.

If you are selling, I recommend you hold your horses and wait it out. My 2 cents.
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i agree that TS should hold the unit since it is no buyer and just rent it out.... Renting out sometimes is more profitable than selling a house ...
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post Jul 24 2019, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 24 2019, 05:18 AM)
I have considered Nadi but i tend to stay away from leasehold. From memory, Bayu Angkasa is also leasehold which probably explains why it seems a lot cheaper than comparable units in that area.
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Both are freehold.
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post Jul 24 2019, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ Jul 24 2019, 09:54 AM)
Both are freehold.
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Sorry - my mistake. I mistook Nadi for Gaya. Somehow I keep thinking Bayu Angkasa is leasehold as it was one of the blocks that I was keen on inspecting.
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post Jul 24 2019, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 24 2019, 01:02 PM)
Sorry - my mistake. I mistook Nadi for Gaya. Somehow I keep thinking Bayu Angkasa is leasehold as it was one of the blocks that I was keen on inspecting.
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The ones that are leasehold are Bangsar Permai, Bangsar Indah and there is another one as well can’t recall the name now.

There is also the Zehn that is leasehold but average cost per unit >RM1m.

Those aren’t bad places to live though as most of them are better maintained than the older freehold ones.

Since you are nearing retirement am guessing you must be nearing 60? Land title issue would be your children and grandchildren problems to deal with.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ Jul 24 2019, 01:18 PM)
The ones that are leasehold are Bangsar Permai, Bangsar Indah and there is another one as well can’t recall the name now.

There is also the Zehn that is leasehold but average cost per unit >RM1m.

Those aren’t bad places to live though as most of them are better maintained than the older freehold ones.

Since you are nearing retirement am guessing you must be nearing 60? Land title issue would be your children and grandchildren problems to deal with.
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Thank you very much - I am 57 at the moment and my wife and I have no kids so there should be no problems with future land title complications.
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post Jul 24 2019, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ Jul 24 2019, 01:18 PM)
The ones that are leasehold are Bangsar Permai, Bangsar Indah and there is another one as well can’t recall the name now.

There is also the Zehn that is leasehold but average cost per unit >RM1m.

Those aren’t bad places to live though as most of them are better maintained than the older freehold ones.

Since you are nearing retirement am guessing you must be nearing 60? Land title issue would be your children and grandchildren problems to deal with.
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Bangsar hillpark also leasehold.
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post Jul 24 2019, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 24 2019, 01:36 PM)
Thank you very much - I am 57 at the moment and my wife and I have no kids so there should be no problems with future land title complications.
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Most expatriate pensioners tend to rent for a while before buying a place of their own.



QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jul 24 2019, 05:59 PM)
Bangsar hillpark also leasehold.
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Ah yes that’s the one that I forgot.


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post Jul 24 2019, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(geekystef @ Jul 20 2019, 03:56 PM)
Hmm... Disappointing news about the length of time it takes to sell a property. My family member mentioned about the onslaught of calls from agents, promising ready buyers etc. It's rather annoying because it doesn't lead to anything serious.

He did mention that landed houses in prime areas still sell well and relatively quicker than condo units.

Do you have any regrets about owning a condo unit?
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Agent with ready buyers? I am always doubtful of such claims.

Landed houses in prime areas will sell quickly if it is priced to sell, the same way a condo will sell quickly too if it is priced for a quick sale.

No regrets buying the condos as at the time of purchasing the 1st one I could not afford any landed houses in the area and any landed houses that were in the budget were either too small, too far or needed too much renovations which I was not in a position to do. The 2nd condo is in an area where 90% of real estate are condos and the 10% of landed real estate were 7 figures and some are now touching 8 figures.

Just have to be patient.


QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ Jul 21 2019, 02:26 PM)
1.6Mil terrace basic condition in bangsar requires alot of renovations or refurbishment. I dont think it's worth it. I was considering the area but I dont think its fully gated n guarded. Hence its not my choice. I bought an end lot terrace instead, brand new with fully gated n guarded in a nice serene environment with similar price. More countryside. Near to the city as well.
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What location is this?

QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ Jul 21 2019, 02:32 PM)
Landed or high rise?
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Desa Parkcity high rise.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ Jul 24 2019, 06:58 PM)
Most expatriate pensioners tend to rent for a while before buying a place of their own.

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My sister and i inherited a 2-storey terrace from our mum (Jln Terasek in Bangsar) and i like the place very much. However, my 70 year old sister (not married) also lives there and my wife doesn't like living with my sister (woman very hard to please!) even though i got 3 empty rooms so i need to buy another place for my wife. I prefer not to touch my super (epf) as it gives me a very good passive income - an alternative is we live in the 3+1 room condo (which belongs to my wife) and i subsidize her for the rental. My wife and i keep our finances separately so i don't exactly know how much money she has (she tends to hide things from me) but she knows exactly how much i have. I don't believe in trying to hide things from her.

I am going back to Kl again next week for 7 weeks as i am trying to use up my long service leave so i will probably go see a few more properties. In Apr/May when i went back to KL, I saw a 2-bedrm unit in Sri Penaga (asking 1mil) which i quite like and also saw a couple in Tivoli (a little run down but very cheap). I was supposed to see a couple more units in Casa Vista and Cascadium but i ran out of time as i was only in KL for 6 weeks then.

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Jul 24 2019, 09:19 PM)
What location is this?

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He was replying to my post about buying a 2-stry terrace in Bangsar Baru as i was thinking of buying a terrace house instead of a condo as the appreciation (price-wise) for landed properties are higher than for condos. However, i prefer leaving my money in Aust in my super (epf) as the returns have been very good! Also if i have a change of plans and decide that KL is not suitable for me and decide to come back to live in Aust, moving money back to Aust can be very difficult. My wife had so many problems when she sent about A$200k+ recently and BNM asked her so many questions about where the money was from and she had to provide documentary evidence. We were not very happy as we had to keep going back to the bank to provide the evidence. I think BNM wanted to see if the money was legit.

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QUOTE(geekystef @ Jul 20 2019, 01:22 PM)
Oh... If I may ask, how to know if the price is unrealistic? If the market price is consistent with jpph data (from brickz), is it still unreasonable? Or has the price declined for condos lately?
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U dont know wat is got price no market?

Try Sell below market price

U will surprise.

The feedback wasnt improve much either
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QUOTE(se800i @ Jul 24 2019, 08:23 AM)
Renting out sometimes is more profitable than selling a house ...
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For residential property, renting is never a profitable business especially at current situation, as most residential properties net rental yield is about 1-3%, which is not enough to cover loan interest nor beat FD interest rate as well.

Profitable renting is for commercial/business property, not residential.
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QUOTE(wayton @ Jul 25 2019, 03:54 PM)
For residential property, renting is never a profitable business especially at current situation, as most residential properties net rental yield is about 1-3%, which is not enough to cover loan interest nor beat FD interest rate as well.

Profitable renting is for commercial/business property, not residential.
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4-5% for residential still possible. Just need to find.
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QUOTE(vckc @ Jul 25 2019, 04:55 PM)
4-5% for residential still possible. Just need to find.
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Depends on how much u dumped into renovating the unit....

Even if you can achieve 4 to 5% for 1 year, it doesnt guarantee for following years.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jul 25 2019, 06:11 PM)
Depends on how much u dumped into renovating the unit....

Even if you can achieve 4 to 5% for 1 year, it doesnt guarantee for following years.
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Correct, so do prudent projection and own due diligence. smile.gif
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jul 25 2019, 06:11 PM)
Depends on how much u dumped into renovating the unit....

Even if you can achieve 4 to 5% for 1 year, it doesnt guarantee for following years.
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We have to take into consideration the time when the unit is empty (that is without a tenant). I estimate from my wife's properties (over a period of 10 years), it was empty 15% of the time (close to 2 months per year) - this high percentage could also be due to us not physically being in KL (as we live overseas) and so agents take their time doing things. As it is getting harder to get tenants (due to oversupply of rental properties), i estimate the vacant percentage rate will increase over the foreseeable future. This vacant period will eat into our percentage yield.

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