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Bjorn1688
post Jul 21 2019, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(geekystef @ Jul 20 2019, 02:29 PM)
Yeah I agree. It is unwise to wait if there is a good opportunity... When you say prime area, is OKR, Kuchai Lama, and OUG considered as well? These places have changed so much. Ha, I'm old school.
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OKR / Kuchai / OUG areas are very prime areas these days. Same goes for Taman Desa and most other housing estates between Mid Valley and the junction to Jalan Templer. Lack of LRT connectivity did not put a single dent on the demand.

I had a single storey corner lot in that area up until I moved out of it earlier this year and put it on the market. It had a 1.5 storey extension, 9ft tall fence, double lot land and modernised using modern British standards. It sold after 2 months of being on the market at very near the asking price, discounted by a cashback to the buyer for the MOT and they took a full loan. They bought it because they had 2 big dogs and the bloke enjoyed his gardening.

As for condos, earlier this year I decided to sell off all properties I owned that was more than 10 years old, not in an expatriate neighbourhood or in a neighbourhood that we no longer wanted to invest in. 7 units of 3 bedroom 1200-1900sf condos. When I mentioned to the tenants that I was selling it, 3 offered to buy it off me, I told them to make an offer and accepted. 2 were purchased by investors within 2 months. Now only 1 remains unsold though I do have a booking on it, just no SPA yet.

Landed houses, it depends. Some can take forever to sell even in prime areas. However 4-8 months is considered fairly normal in today's economic climate.


QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 20 2019, 03:35 PM)
I have been looking at some condos in Bangsar (Sri Penaga, Casa Vista, Bangsar Puteri and Tivoli) and the agents tell me prices are now about 20% lower than what they were 18 months ago.

My wife also has 2 apartments in MK and they (i feel) also have come down about 20% (compared to before) looking at the prices sellers are asking in iproperty.
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Those are some really ancient condos you are looking into.

I hope you are not that Aussie that came by to my former unit and tried to lowball me biggrin.gif

Older Bangsar condos have been on the decline as many of them are tired old buildings and in need of major repairs, also many have sinking funds that are broke. Values have mostly flat lined but difficult to get any real bargains. Most that own them have strong holding power.

Landed houses, their values have mostly been stagnant. RM1.6m for a terrace? You could have bought one for that type of money over the last 3 years though you would be looking into RM400k to fix it. Anything in nicer condition you would need to pay closer to RM2m for it.
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post Jul 24 2019, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 21 2019, 05:43 AM)
Yes - a lot of Bangsar condos are quite old now. I like Sri Wangsaria but that block is tightly held and sellers are unwilling to drop much. You can only get bargains from sellers who are desperate to sell and it usually is because they are migrating. The rentals are miserable though in Bangsar - if you spend rm1mil to buy, you will probably get around rm3k/mth rental at best (gross) fully-furnished. When you compare that with Tiffani in MK, a 1mil condo there will roughly gross you about rm5k/mth. This makes me more inclined to buy in MK and the 2 buildings i like is Kiaraville and Tiffani (as i might rent it out if my plans to retire in KL doesn't work out).
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All condos in Bangsar other than Serai and Nadi are starting to age.

If you want to buy a RM1m property and make some money renting it out the only one that right now is delivering is Nadi Bangsar, RM540k when new can rent for around RM2.5k for a 450sf studio.

Worth buying into if you don't need a lot of space as they do have larger units as well.

QUOTE(drbone @ Jul 21 2019, 10:48 AM)
Congrats on selling those properties.
Am looking into buying a condo as well , and to rent out for the next 1-2 years. Location wise , anywhere around bangsar / oug area. Would need to be ideal to travel from the condo to cheras and to major KPJ hospitals in Klang’s valley.

Might b moving for long term to Kl in 2 years time. Any suggestions which condo would be worth looking into?
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Condos in Bangsar? RM600k would get you a 450sf studio. Can rent for around RM2.5k these days. Anything older you will get more space but lower rental yields. A good one is Bayu Angkasa as it is fairly well maintained for its age but rental rates are poor.

Personally if I have to travel all over the place then I would choose to live closer to OUG as it is easier to access all the major roads.

Good one to buy in OUG is Bukit OUG Condo if you want something cheap and don't mind it to be older.
Something newer would be Kiara Residence 1 & 2. Rental not that fantastic though.
Something more premium Z-Residence.

If you want something brand new, then PV Arena is a good one to consider. If you want bigger space The Como is one to consider as you do get lots of space for the money.

The other thing to consider is if you have children and will be needing access to SRJK©s the 3 places I mentioned at OUG is within the catchment area of one of the best SRJK©s there is in KL.

Another one worth considering with your budget is Sentral Suites at KL Sentral.


QUOTE(geekystef @ Jul 21 2019, 12:38 PM)
Thanks for your thoughts.

That's good to hear indeed. I know a family friend who managed to sell off her double-storey terraced house in OUG for just under a mil last year. Her property wasn't spectacularly furnished but yet it was snapped up within months.

You are lucky to sell off all but one remaining condo unit. Care to share the reason for your decision?
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Most of the condos I sold off were sold because they passed the 10 years threshold. Most condos once it reaches that 10 years since VP it starts losing its value or any capital gains tend to be along the lines of keeping pace with inflation only. No matter how well you renovate it you won't be getting anything more out of it. Easier to cash out and buy something newer.
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post Jul 24 2019, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 24 2019, 05:18 AM)
I have considered Nadi but i tend to stay away from leasehold. From memory, Bayu Angkasa is also leasehold which probably explains why it seems a lot cheaper than comparable units in that area.
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Both are freehold.
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post Jul 24 2019, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 24 2019, 01:02 PM)
Sorry - my mistake. I mistook Nadi for Gaya. Somehow I keep thinking Bayu Angkasa is leasehold as it was one of the blocks that I was keen on inspecting.
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The ones that are leasehold are Bangsar Permai, Bangsar Indah and there is another one as well can’t recall the name now.

There is also the Zehn that is leasehold but average cost per unit >RM1m.

Those aren’t bad places to live though as most of them are better maintained than the older freehold ones.

Since you are nearing retirement am guessing you must be nearing 60? Land title issue would be your children and grandchildren problems to deal with.
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post Jul 24 2019, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 24 2019, 01:36 PM)
Thank you very much - I am 57 at the moment and my wife and I have no kids so there should be no problems with future land title complications.
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Most expatriate pensioners tend to rent for a while before buying a place of their own.



QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jul 24 2019, 05:59 PM)
Bangsar hillpark also leasehold.
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Ah yes that’s the one that I forgot.


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post Jul 27 2019, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 25 2019, 04:49 AM)
My sister and i inherited a 2-storey terrace from our mum (Jln Terasek in Bangsar) and i like the place very much. However, my 70 year old sister (not married) also lives there and my wife doesn't like living with my sister (woman very hard to please!) even though i got 3 empty rooms so i need to buy another place for my wife. I prefer not to touch my super (epf) as it gives me a very good passive income - an alternative is we live in the 3+1 room condo (which belongs to my wife) and i subsidize her for the rental. My wife and i keep our finances separately so i don't exactly know how much money she has (she tends to hide things from me) but she knows exactly how much i have. I don't believe in trying to hide things from her.

I am going back to Kl again next week for 7 weeks as i am trying to use up my long service leave so i will probably go see a few more properties. In Apr/May when i went back to KL, I saw a 2-bedrm unit in Sri Penaga (asking 1mil) which i quite like and also saw a couple in Tivoli (a little run down but very cheap). I was supposed to see a couple more units in Casa Vista and Cascadium but i ran out of time as i was only in KL for 6 weeks then.
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I used to own a house in Jalan Terasek, inherited it from my late granddad that bought it when it was new. Did you grow up on that horseshoe shaped street?

Might not be a bad idea to live in one of your own rather than buying a new place. Especially since you are unsure if retirement in KL is something definitely for you.



QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 25 2019, 05:01 AM)
He was replying to my post about buying a 2-stry terrace in Bangsar Baru as i was thinking of buying a terrace house instead of a condo as the appreciation (price-wise) for landed properties are higher than for condos. However, i prefer leaving my money in Aust in my super (epf) as the returns have been very good! Also if i have a change of plans and decide that KL is not suitable for me and decide to come back to live in Aust, moving money back to Aust can be very difficult. My wife had so many problems when she sent about A$200k+ recently and BNM asked her so many questions about where the money was from and she had to provide documentary evidence. We were not very happy as we had to keep going back to the bank to provide the evidence. I think BNM wanted to see if the money was legit.
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Yes sending and receiving big sums of money has been quite tedious of late.

BNM has become more stringent in vetting any overseas and even interbank transfers.

QUOTE(geekystef @ Jul 25 2019, 02:05 PM)
This is the current trend now. These people are liars. I've told my family member that he is not to entertain these people. Integrity is such a rare quality, even more so nowadays. Nothing irks me more than dishonest people. I agree with Warren Buffett's opinion about integrity: "Honesty is a very expensive gift. Don't expect it from cheap people."
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These people are best given a wide berth. Never know what else they would claim next.

I have generally stuck to the few tried and tested agents, one thing I always make sure if I am never in a position where I am in a hurry to sell.

QUOTE(Garysydney @ Jul 26 2019, 05:41 AM)
We have to take into consideration the time when the unit is empty (that is without a tenant). I estimate from my wife's properties (over a period of 10 years), it was empty 15% of the time (close to 2 months per year) - this high percentage could also be due to us not physically being in KL (as we live overseas) and so agents take their time doing things. As it is getting harder to get tenants (due to oversupply of rental properties), i estimate the vacant percentage rate will increase over the foreseeable future. This vacant period will eat into our percentage yield.
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It will depend on how you manage the property. If you have found in the past every year you have had a change of tenants then most likely the culprit for it was none other than the agent that you appointed to help you rent it out.

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