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SUSKakwen
post Mar 8 2021, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 8 2021, 09:25 AM)
I'd say Geneva Convention alone was reason enough to not give them any terms of surrender  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Honestly, China wasnt going too well for them.
War of attrition going into Chinese heartland with no infrastructure.
I think they took action much earlier.
I remember History channel mentioning that they were basically half mercenary half US special interest at the time
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Japanese was really stupid. If they stop at manchuria they could have consoladate expand into a real superpower but instead their military wanted to fight and expand to actual china. In the end lost everything and got nuke and stuck on their tiny island. How they even thought they can totally conquer china is just so ridiculouss

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QUOTE(Kakwen @ Mar 8 2021, 10:03 AM)
Japanese was really stupid. If they stop at manchuria they could have consoladate expand into a real superpower but instead their military wanted to fight and expand to actual china. In the end lost everything and got nuke and stuck on their tiny island. How they even thought they can totally conquer china is just so ridiculouss
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WW2 was a war for lebensraum, both for Germany and Japan.
Both were industrializing rapidly and was facing resource problems in terms of what to feed the factories and people.
Manchuria can solve the factory problem, but cannot solve the food problem.


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 8 2021, 10:01 AM)
I'd argue asking for unconditional surrender did little to further the allied cause, as much as it is it only stiffened resistance and in Germany's case removed any option for an alternative government to Hitler surrendering to the allies. The unconditional surrender practically killed off any resistance to Hitler at that point as he successfully used the declaration as proof Germany had nothing to gain from surrendering and all Germany must fight to the bitter end.

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Didnt stop Himmler from trying in 1945.
But also wouldnt have worked if Senior H wasnt assassinated.
IMO, the Lost of WWI and the "we could have won if we held out" attitude was stuck with not just Senior H, but everyone else.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 8 2021, 10:01 AM)

IIRC Japan did sent feelers through the Soviet government in late 1944 to see if the allies were amenable to a conditional surrender that included:

1) The emperor must remain as head of Japan
2) There will be no war crimes trials
3) There will be no occupation of the Home islands
4) Japan would keep pre-1938 territories (Korea, Manchuria and Taiwan)
5) Japan would repatriate its own military forces from occupied territories on their own timetable
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Number 2. kek.
After the atrocities in Singapore, Burma etc. I think no Western powers would agree with that.

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post Mar 8 2021, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Kakwen @ Mar 8 2021, 10:03 AM)
Japanese was really stupid. If they stop at manchuria they could have consoladate expand into a real superpower but instead their military wanted to fight and expand to actual china. In the end lost everything and got nuke and stuck on their tiny island. How they even thought they can totally conquer china is just so ridiculouss
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This.

Manchuria under Japanese (puppet) rule was still crap, but it's arguably better than the rest of China at the time. The Japanese built railroads, infrastructure and manufacturing & industrial areas the rest of china could only dream of (mostly for export to Japan though).

On the other hand, whenever you hear of Japanese atrocities in china (unit 731 et al), it mostly happened in Manchuria.

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post Mar 8 2021, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 8 2021, 10:19 AM)
This.

Manchuria under Japanese (puppet) rule was still crap, but it's arguably better than the rest of China at the time. The Japanese built railroads, infrastructure and manufacturing & industrial areas the rest of china could only dream of (mostly for export to Japan though).

On the other hand, whenever you hear of Japanese atrocities in china (unit 731 et al), it mostly happened in Manchuria.
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Pu Yi no balls.
If got balls, raise army and overthrow Jap, then restore Qing Empire, then earn achievement Hail to the Qing.....

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 8 2021, 10:16 AM)
WW2 was a war for lebensraum, both for Germany and Japan.
Both were industrializing rapidly and was facing resource problems in terms of what to feed the factories and people.
Manchuria can solve the factory problem, but cannot solve the food problem.

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Reallt? Im thought manchuria is a food power even to today. Many agriculture land for wheat (but no rice)
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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 8 2021, 10:16 AM)
WW2 was a war for lebensraum, both for Germany and Japan.
Both were industrializing rapidly and was facing resource problems in terms of what to feed the factories and people.
Manchuria can solve the factory problem, but cannot solve the food problem.
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For its size Manchuria was pretty sparsely populated (most of China's population then was in the coastal and central areas). However the region was fertile and in the early years agriculture was pretty huge in Manchuria, with production of grains and soybeans being the principle agriculture product of Manchuria. As in most things produced in Manchuria, this was almost exclusively for export to Japan though.

As Japan's war in China intensified, local farmers were conscripted into factories, worsening the food problem.

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 8 2021, 10:21 AM)
Pu Yi no balls.
If got balls, raise army and overthrow Jap, then restore Qing Empire, then earn achievement Hail to the Qing.....

owait
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Pu Yi was too traumatized by his youth growing up to be any sort of aggressive person.
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post Mar 8 2021, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 8 2021, 11:04 AM)
For its size Manchuria was pretty sparsely populated (most of China's population then was in the coastal and central areas). However the region was fertile and in the early years agriculture was pretty huge in Manchuria, with production of grains and soybeans being the principle agriculture product of Manchuria. As in most things produced in Manchuria, this was almost exclusively for export to Japan though.

As Japan's war in China intensified, local farmers were conscripted into factories, worsening the food problem.
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QUOTE(Kakwen @ Mar 8 2021, 11:02 AM)
Reallt? Im thought manchuria is a food power even to today. Many agriculture land for wheat (but no rice)
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Solly....
I was under the impression that Manchuria was basically like the Mongol Steppes or Harbin....
either no rain for agriculture or too much snow for agriculture. laugh.gif
Maybe I need to take a vacation there instead of Wuhan next year innocent.gif
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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 8 2021, 11:18 AM)
Solly....
I was under the impression that Manchuria was basically like the Mongol Steppes or Harbin....
either no rain for agriculture or too much snow for agriculture.  laugh.gif
Maybe I need to take a vacation there instead of Wuhan next year  innocent.gif
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Northern part and interior is very cold like Siberia, but the south Liaoning region is very warm and fertile.

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Latihan Perang Borneo libat 10 aset TLDM, helikopter TUDM

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SANDAKAN: Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) telah mengadakan Latihan Perang Borneo (PB) Siri 2/21 melibatkan 10 aset laut di Perairan Sandakan.

Latihan itu merupakan pendekatan dinamik bagi menilai kesiagaan dan keupayaan Armada Markas Wilayah Laut 2 (MAWILLA 2).

Sepuluh aset laut yang menyertai latihan itu melibatkan KD Kedah, KA Tun Azizan, KD Paus, KD Baung, KD Todak, KD Yu, KD Sri Gaya, KD Sri Tiga, KD Sri Johor, dan Bot Tempur CB 90 HEX.

Sebuah helikopter jenis EC 725 milik Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM) turut menyertai latihan kali ini yang diterbangkan khas dari Pangkalan Udara Labuan.

Latihan itu telah dilaksanakan selama dua hari bermula pada 24 Februari lepas yang melibatkan latihan fasa pelabuhan dan fasa laut.

Elemen Tugas (Task Element) yang terdiri daripada 11 buah aset itu telah diaturgerak ke kawasan latihan dalam keadaan bertindak.

Kapal-kapal yang terlibat telah diuji dengan beberapa siri latihan seperti melalui kawasan bebas periuk api, ilmu kelautan, pengoperasian helikopter, persenjataan, komunikasi, taktik peperangan dan kecemasan.

Latihan dilaksanakan bertujuan bagi menguji tahap kesiapsiagaan kru kapal dalam menghadapi pelbagai situasi kecemasan di atas dan bawah permukaan air.

Latihan siri kedua ini telah disertai oleh Panglima Armada Timur, Laksamana Madya Dato’ Sabri Zali yang turut menyertai latihan siri 2 itu berkata, “Eksesais Perang Borneo kali ini bukan sahaja bermatlamat untuk meningkatkan tahap kompetensi Armada tetapi juga bagi menguji tahap kesiapsiagaan aset-aset terlibat terutamanya semasa negara sedang menghadapi ancaman pandemik COVID-19.

“Latihan Perang Borneo ini merupakan persediaan awal menghadapi eksesais yang berskala lebih besar dengan penglibatan negara-negara asing pada masa hadapan kelak," katanya.

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Is it possible create malaysia fighter jet like pakistan if cooperated with china
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"Built locally" or "ASSEMBLED locally"?
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An Indonesian soldier with a Pindad SPR-2 rifle. Credit to Ometh Photography.

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 9 2021, 02:35 AM)
"Built locally" or "ASSEMBLED locally"?
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Janji buat bang...
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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 9 2021, 07:02 AM)
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That's rifle is suspiciously too clean and spotlessly shiny to have been in service.... brows.gif


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Malaysian peacekeepers apprehend a suspected militant with the help of eyewitnesses. Dili, East Timor 2006.

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Malaysian peacekeepers apprehend a suspected militant with the help of eyewitnesses. Dili, East Timor 2006.
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kek

I was gonna ask why they tangkap PATI no wear mask until I saw the caption below.....
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 9 2021, 09:43 AM)
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Malaysian peacekeepers apprehend a suspected militant with the help of eyewitnesses. Dili, East Timor 2006.
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How is the condition this nation today?
Follow Singapore step or what?
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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Mar 9 2021, 12:38 PM)
How is the condition this nation today?
Follow Singapore step or what?
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Still pretty bad though. The economy is very highly reliant on agriculture. Service and manufacturing sector is practically non-existent. The O&G sector is literally half of their GDP.

Regarding their meagre military, the ground forces only consists of 2 battalions of infantry, the naval forces only consisting of several patrol boats and the entire air force is a single Cessna 172 single prop light aircraft. Their defence budget of USD30 million is nearly 3% of their entire GDP already.


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