why not get from korea like used to?

yep coz murica back then is similar to murica now
supplying stuff to both sides of the war to profit
until PH they didn't chose a side

Not exactly true

The US is quite clear on who its allies are today, and has more stringent controls on weapon sales than say the French. This is longstanding policy since the Cold War and arguably WW2 even.

If one is talking about consumer goods, then it's different from military goods. Neutrality in international trade, according to the free market, is the status quo position that all nations are basically expected to take. Govts really only take a position when declaring embargoes and other trade controls.

Currently if I'm not mistaken we trade with basically everyone other than North Korea, Iran, and Israel. Does that make us "supplying stuff to both sides of the war to profit" as well?

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Mar 4 2021, 11:40 PM

u r talk CW period
i said b4 PH

You said both current and pre-Pearl Harbour



Pre-Pearl Harbour, before 1940 the US did not supply arms to either Japan or Germany. In fact, even commercial trade with these nations steadily went down due to anti-war, pro-Allied sentiments in the US.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Mar 5 2021, 12:04 AM

u read the text but don't extrapolate the meaning

...which is?

Read more: https://go.kompas.com/read/2021/03/04/16283...essential-force

Iinm...the new MoD want a newer type variant than the Type 209.

The threat of US ceasing oil and scrap iron exports to Japan (itself the consequence of Japan's invasion of China) is a major Japanese casus belli for PH in the first place.

It's argued that if Japan did not attack the US directly (at PH), the US would have been more amenable to a negotiated peace rather than unconditional surrender.

TLDM LAUNCHES 601 UAS SQUADRON AT SEPANGGAR NAVAL BASE



The Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) created history after it launched the 601 Squadron Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) at the Sepanggar Naval Base in Sepanggar, here today.

Chief of Navy, Admiral Tan Sri Mohd Reza Mohd Sany said RMN had received 12 units of ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) aircraft from the United States government under the Maritime Security Initiative (MSI).

The ability of the aircraft, which provides real time data and requires minimal crew involvement, can increase the RMN’s ability in carrying out intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions in high-risk waters in Malaysia.

“The operation of this ScanEagle aircraft is the first unmanned aircraft operation by the Malaysian Armed Forces.

“The operation of the UAS system will open a new chapter in the dimension and doctrines of our military defense and will pave the way for the use of UAS technology in our military capability in the future,” he said at the launch of the 601 Squadron UAS ScanEagle system at the Sepanggar Naval Base today.

Also present was Embassy of the United States of America Defence Attache Office, Captain Muhammad Muzzafar Feroze Khan.

Mohd Reza said the RMN plan is to acquire more UAS ScanEagle which can enhance their military and security system in the country.

“At this moment, we will operate the UAS ScanEagle on land as we need to familiarise ourselves with this new system before we move it onto our ships and vessels for real-life operations,” he said.

Mohd Reza said although the UAS ScanEagle is under the RMN, it can also be used to assist their other military forces.

“There is no constraint in using this system to assist our military counterparts, namely the Malaysian Army and the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency, to enhance security of our nation,” he said.

Meanwhile, Muhammad Muzzafar said the US government will deliver 12 aircraft to Malaysia by this year.

“Six UAS ScanEagle aircraft will be delivered by middle of this year while the remaining six aircraft will be delivered either by end of this year or beginning of 2022.

“We also have two CN235-220M (M44-05) tactical airlifter that are currently being modified with surveillance packages in Indonesia,” he said.

The UAS ScanEagle is a Boeing-Insitu aircraft built by the US government for Malaysia through the Maritime Security Initiative (MSI).

The system was first accepted by the RMN on May 6, 2020 which includes six aircraft, two launchers, two skyhook and three ground-control-station (GCS) worth RM180 million.

The 601 Squadron made history as the first UAS Squadron to be operated by the Malaysian Armed Forces.

The operation of UAS will provide the RMN with added advantage in terms of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance throughout Malaysian’s waters as well as increase Maritime Domain Awareness (MDA).

SOS

Possibly, if the Japanese had only attacked China. But once they attacked the British, with all the atrocities they committed, probably their fate was sealed.

And Lend Lease to China

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Mar 5 2021, 09:43 AM

plus, Chennault's Flying Tigers were kicking Japanese ass all over China.

Noticed in KLIA almost every week two Japanese P3 will be there.

Flying Tigers were assembled before Pearl, but only entered combat after

it is an indication though of what US support could have been like even if Japan had not attacked USA

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Mar 5 2021, 09:56 AM

Read more: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...ry-policy_16010

I'd say Geneva Convention alone was reason enough to not give them any terms of surrender


Honestly, China wasnt going too well for them.
War of attrition going into Chinese heartland with no infrastructure.

I think they took action much earlier.
I remember History channel mentioning that they were basically half mercenary half US special interest at the time

Technically, just because one side violates the Conventions, doesn't excuse the others from doing the same... that's actually in the Conventions itself.

Not going too well but not going badly either, until Western intervention. Which is why Japs were royally pissed at UK and US.

Don't forget that for all its supposed size, China had a pathetic resource base and was terribly undermanned and under equipped, for its size. In 1941 it had supposedly 3 million troops, unfortunately only about 400,000 were considered effective and the rest were basically untrained. And of these 400,000 about half were front-line troops while the rest were de facto engineers and support staff. So it is more like 200,000 actual effective troops... a strength more like France than what we imagine as the mighty China. They had barely any armour, and few artillery or machine-guns... never mind aircraft.

What were the rest of the supposed troops doing? Internal security, State agriculture and transport. China was experiencing a famine and many troops were tasked to help produce food. For similar reasons they also had few work animals and vehicles, so most military transport was by manpower, which is terribly inefficient. Which is how those front-line divisions could be halved in effectiveness: a paper strength of 40 divisions x 10,000 men, was in reality only 40 x 5,000 rifles, because the remainder acted as transport.

100% special interests

They were recruited from US Armed Forces and the President allowed the issue of modern fighter aircraft to them. They are effectively black ops... but many people miss that, because national black ops of this kind did not exist before WW2.

I'd argue asking for unconditional surrender did little to further the allied cause, as much as it is it only stiffened resistance and in Germany's case removed any option for an alternative government to Hitler surrendering to the allies. The unconditional surrender practically killed off any resistance to Hitler at that point as he successfully used the declaration as proof Germany had nothing to gain from surrendering and all Germany must fight to the bitter end.

IIRC Japan did sent feelers through the Soviet government in late 1944 to see if the allies were amenable to a conditional surrender that included:

1) The emperor must remain as head of Japan
2) There will be no war crimes trials
3) There will be no occupation of the Home islands
4) Japan would keep pre-1938 territories (Korea, Manchuria and Taiwan)
5) Japan would repatriate its own military forces from occupied territories on their own timetable