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post Mar 10 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 10 2010, 12:06 PM)
For private placement, what if the issue price per unit was far below market price? E.g. RM 1.00?
That is my concern on private placement as small investors like us will be on the losing end.

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I taught they are going to issue new shares at RM1.30, or no?

As far, from several private placement had been issued, like Axreit, the private placement is based on market price average price at time being.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 10 2010, 03:20 PM)
I taught they are going to issue new shares at RM1.30, or no?

As far, from several private placement had been issued, like Axreit, the private placement is based on market price average price at time being.
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I am worry just in case biggrin.gif If 1.30 should be fine thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Mar 10 2010, 12:24 PM)
UOA REIT(based on 2009 Annual report ):

Debt to equity ratio:0.42
Gearing ratio:29%
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Do not just look at ratio alone , though quite close to SC guideline.

50% of 10m loan and 50% of 1billion loan , is still 50% at best.

There is a vast diff of a very short term of 1 b loan as compared to let say 2b loan.

You need to source for the renewals, sometimes at extreme poor market conditions.

Then again they need to look for more banks to support instead of normal one or two.

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post Mar 10 2010, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(okyjace @ Mar 10 2010, 02:15 PM)
Ehh.. can you explain a bit pls how you got the gearing ratio. Seems different from pg 27 of the annual report and I'd like to know how other investors look at it.
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the annual report stated 22.44% which only included the borrowing, my calculation included other liabilities beside borrowing in the balance sheet, so there is a difference of 8%.
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Looks like all these REITs really love related party transactions. I know that the yields are all still good at the moment, but this kind of stuff makes me nervous as a small time investor, like the big players are pulling off a scam behind my back.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 11 2010, 11:05 AM)
Looks like all these REITs really love related party transactions. I know that the yields are all still good at the moment, but this kind of stuff makes me nervous as a small time investor, like the big players are pulling off a scam behind my back.
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Many investors have factored in RPTs , as non events..or acceptable practices.

Next , they would factor in Gearing as non events.
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UOAREIT drop 5 cent.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 11 2010, 11:47 AM)
Many investors have factored in RPTs , as non events..or acceptable practices.

Next , they would factor in Gearing  as non events.
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There could be the reason why reit price is always traded at discount to NAV
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Mar 11 2010, 05:27 PM)
UOAREIT drop 5 cent.
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Short-lived joy. Wonder if it'll drop some more tomorrow. Anyone been to the UOA properties? What do they look like - well maintained?
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KUALA LUMPUR, March 12 (Bernama) -- Hektar Asset Management Sdn Bhd, the Manager for Hektar REIT (real estate investment trust, on Friday announced the government has acquired 0.1331 hectares of land from Hektar REIT under the Land Acquisition Act 1960 for the proposed extension of the Kelana Jaya Light Rail Transit Phase Two project in Subang Jaya.

The land forms part of the 4.362 hectares on which the Subang Parade Shopping Centre is located and which belongs to Hektar REIT, the company said in a filing to Bursa Malaysia.

It said the acquired portion was only 3.0 per cent of the land area and affected a part of the outdoor car park area of the building.

Meanwhile, the government recently issued the Notice of Award (Form H) which provided a compensation amount of RM4.155 million.

However, AmTrustee Bhd, the trustee for Hektar REIT, filed an appeal yesterday on the compensation amount.

Under the Land Acquisition Act 1960, 75 per cent of the sum awarded under Form H will be paid to AmTrustee (on behalf of Hektar REIT) within six weeks from the date of service of Form H on AmTrustee, pending the outcome of the appeal.
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Mar 13 2010, 12:03 AM)
KUALA LUMPUR, March 12 (Bernama) -- Hektar Asset Management Sdn Bhd, the Manager for Hektar REIT (real estate investment trust, on Friday announced the government has acquired 0.1331 hectares of land from Hektar REIT under the Land Acquisition Act 1960 for the proposed extension of the Kelana Jaya Light Rail Transit Phase Two project in Subang Jaya.

The land forms part of the 4.362 hectares on which the Subang Parade Shopping Centre is located and which belongs to Hektar REIT, the company said in a filing to Bursa Malaysia.

It said the acquired portion was only 3.0 per cent of the land area and affected a part of the outdoor car park area of the building.

Meanwhile, the government recently issued the Notice of Award (Form H) which provided a compensation amount of RM4.155 million.

However, AmTrustee Bhd, the trustee for Hektar REIT, filed an appeal yesterday on the compensation amount.

Under the Land Acquisition Act 1960, 75 per cent of the sum awarded under Form H will be paid to AmTrustee (on behalf of Hektar REIT) within six weeks from the date of service of Form H on AmTrustee, pending the outcome of the appeal.
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what's the possible impact ? Reduced NAV?
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at first it will reduced the NAV, but the impact will be very small coz the land is just a small tract

but for long run, it is good for subang parade, as the LRT station will be a boost to the property value......

LRT, more people come, rental yield improve, property price improved.

they are all just like the chicken and egg .....


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QUOTE(mok thye yee @ Mar 13 2010, 08:30 PM)
at first it will reduced the NAV, but the impact will be very small coz the land is just a small tract

but for long run, it is good for subang parade, as the LRT station will be a boost to the property value......

LRT, more people come, rental yield improve, property price improved.

they are all just like the chicken and egg .....
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Good deal ! rclxms.gif Confirm to stop infront of Subang parade ?
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Mar 13 2010, 10:50 PM)
Good deal ! rclxms.gif  Confirm to stop infront of Subang parade ?
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They are just using the land to build the track, but it is not confirmed that there will be a station where Subang Parade is. Besides, there is already a KTM station nearby, so even if the LRT were to stopover at that vicinity, it would not boost the visitor count a lot as KTM has wider reach than LRT.
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UOA Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) (5110) is considering buying two office blocks in Kuala Lumpur for RM500 million.

It received an offer from UOA Holdings, a substantial unitholder in UOA REIT, for the sale of Parcel B Menara UOA Bangsar and Wisma UOA Damansara II, priced at RM289 million and RM211 million respectively.

"The board of directors of the manager (UOA Asset Management Sdn Bhd) and OSK Trustees Bhd (trustee) will deliberate on the terms and conditions contained in the offer letters and a further announcement will be made upon completion of the deliberation," UOA REIT said in a statement to Bursa Malaysia Bhd.

Parcel B Menara UOA Bangsar, located in Jalan Bangsar Utama 1, comprises a tower block with 15 levels of office space, three levels of retail podium, six levels of elevated car park and four levels of basement parking.
The newly completed commercial and retail property, which has a 99-year leasehold tenure, is 88.5 per cent occupied.

Wisma UOA Damansara II, located at Changkat Semantan, comprises a 16-storey office building and five levels of basement parking.

The two-year-old freehold property, used for commercial and retail purposes, is 87 per cent occupied.

The purchase of Parcel B, Menara UOA Bangsar, will involve a refundable deposit of 0.01 per cent, or RM28,900; a cash payment of RM156.03 million; and the issuance of 102.26 million new REIT units.

The purchase of Wisma UOA Damansara II will also involve a refundable deposit of 0.01 per cent, or RM21,100; a cash payment of RM113.92 million; and the issuance of 74.66 million new REIT units.


Effective from 12-January-2010 UOA total asset value was being revalued at RM 514 Million FROM RM 486 previously which will enable them to increase their future gearings as being stated by SC 50% of their total asset value.

So i believe acquisition of this two blocks of buildings which amount RM 500 MILLION will almost doubled up their market capitalization. Total square feet of the 4 properties UOA REITS having right now = 883,004 square feet.

1. So i wonder what is the total squre feet for these 2 proposed acquired buildings? Is it overvalued?

2. So the total cash UOA REITS going to pay for these two blocks = RM 156.03 MILLION + 28900 (Refundable deposit) + RM 113.92 MILLION + RM 21,100 (Refundable deposit) = RM 270 MILLION + RM 50,000 = RM 270,050,000.00.

From where do they get this RM 270 Million? Bank borrowings?

Becos they can actually borrow RM 250 million already out from the RM 500 million new buildings they are going to acquired and the other 20 million will be raised from the the revaluation of their current buildings as their current gearing to total asset value was only 20 % which is till far from the 50% stated by SC.

The rest will be paid in private placement i believe from the raising of 102.26 million +74.66 million new units = 176.92 million new units for RM 229,950,000
= RM 1.30 per unit.

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QUOTE(mok thye yee @ Mar 13 2010, 08:30 PM)
at first it will reduced the NAV, but the impact will be very small coz the land is just a small tract

but for long run, it is good for subang parade, as the LRT station will be a boost to the property value......

LRT, more people come, rental yield improve, property price improved.

they are all just like the chicken and egg .....
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Yes I agree with you , the benefits could outweigh the small potential loss.

Ya, probably bargaining for a station than for a better compensation . Logically it has to one ( Station ) , otherwise there is no way for people to embark, just a bypass. Normally, a bypass line could be built just above the road ( on the divider ) . More cost effective. { Added : Planned > Subang Parade could be a Connecting Station as per website attached below }

It is quite proven that LRT does have some great impact on the businesses .

One area I could think of is Kenanga in KL.

Many smaller retailers are taking LRT to buy goods from the wholesalers. parking is a big problem there, not counting the time wasted.

The rentals there could be as high as rm 20,000 a month, and rental deposits could exceed 6 months to a year.
There could be other factors that I may not be aware of.

The other point is about Publicity . If Harta could put up some forms of info in its building to create some awareness of their REITS, it might help.

If TM could spend a couple of few hundred millions to associate with MU, why can't Harta educate the public about its REIT ? The flow of human traffic is pretty high as I could foresee.

Likes the Chinese saying " if food can be eaten, do not waste."

Just my thought.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 14 2010, 12:35 AM)
They are just using the land to build the track, but it is not confirmed that there will be a station where Subang Parade is. Besides, there is already a KTM station nearby, so even if the LRT were to stopover at that vicinity, it would not boost the visitor count a lot as KTM has wider reach than LRT.
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i remember reading from newspaper that subang parade is one of the stop. i may be wrong, anybody can confirm on this ?

i am not sure how u do ur comparative analysis between KTM komuter and LRT.

definately LRT (the putra line) will be far better than KTM in term of ridership, frequency, ease of commuting.

KTM komuter may reach a longer distance but in term of station stop, LRT is more strategic and it is far more easier for the mass.

If the station is build with direct assess to subang parade, than it can lure the people along the putra line in the vicinity to visit subang parade. bear in mind this line will be extended to puchong and further south.

So subang parade will hv another big group of people visiting on top of the current middle upper class from the subang area.


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http://www.patchay.com/2009/09/future-lrt-and-mrt-in-kl.html
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 14 2010, 09:46 AM)
Yes I agree with you , the benefits could outweigh  the small potential loss.

Ya, probably bargaining for a station than for a better compensation . Logically it has to one ( Station ) , otherwise there is no way for people to embark, just a bypass. Normally,  a bypass line could be built  just above the road ( on the divider ) . More cost effective. { Added : Planned > Subang Parade could be a Connecting Station as per website attached below }

It is quite proven  that LRT does have some great impact on the businesses .

One area I could think of is Kenanga in KL.

Many smaller retailers are taking LRT to buy goods from the wholesalers. parking is a big problem there, not counting the time wasted.

The rentals there could be as high as rm 20,000 a month, and rental deposits could exceed 6 months to a year.
There could be other factors that I may not be aware of.

The other point is about Publicity . If Harta could put up some forms of info in its building to create some awareness of their REITS, it might help.

If TM could spend a couple of few hundred millions to associate with MU, why can't  Harta educate the public about its REIT ? The flow of human traffic is pretty  high as I could foresee.

Likes the Chinese saying "  if food can be eaten, do not waste."

Just my thought.
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QUOTE(mok thye yee @ Mar 14 2010, 04:28 PM)
i remember reading from newspaper that subang parade is one of the stop. i may be wrong, anybody can confirm on this ?

i am not sure how u do ur comparative analysis between KTM komuter and LRT.

definately LRT (the putra line) will be far better than KTM in term of ridership, frequency, ease of commuting.

KTM komuter may reach a longer distance but in term of station stop, LRT is more strategic and it is far more easier for the mass.

If the station is build with direct assess to subang parade, than it can lure the people along the putra line in the vicinity to visit subang parade. bear in mind this line will be extended to puchong and further south.

So subang parade will hv another big group of people visiting on top of the current middle upper class from the subang area.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 13 2010, 11:35 PM)
They are just using the land to build the track, but it is not confirmed that there will be a station where Subang Parade is. Besides, there is already a KTM station nearby, so even if the LRT were to stopover at that vicinity, it would not boost the visitor count a lot as KTM has wider reach than LRT.
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mok thye yee,

"definately LRT (the putra line) will be far better than KTM in term of ridership, frequency, ease of commuting."

"Based on our analysis, from the 360,000 ridership, 58 percent or 207,000 will come from rail and 42 percent or 153,000 will come from buses. The biggest contributors will come from rail, with KTM Komuter contributing around 95,000 passengers, Kelana Jaya LRT line 62,000 and Ampang LRT line 33,000," he said. [Source: http://www.mysinchew.com/node/32912]

"it can lure the people along the putra line in the vicinity to visit subang parade"

Based on what you are saying, only people commuting around the Putra line will be able to benefit from this, but people all across Klang Valley has been utilising the services of KTM to Subang for years. So even with the addition of LRT in the vicinity, the visitor count will not increase by much in my opinion (example, I have been commuting in KTM to Subang, now with the availability of LRT, all I have to do is to "switch" my preference). There WILL be people switching to LRT from the current KTM ridership, but mathematically does that increase the number of visitors?

Example scenario:

100 people use KTM to Subang before LRT is available. Once the LRT is operational, 30 people use KTM and 70 people use LRT.
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I think the article is quite misleading in a way.

I think it is rather Lacking of choices to choose , on what you really want to travel on.

If you intend to go to Subang Parade at this moment , taking train could be the only viable effective option in the absence of LRT. There is no LRT, so you cannot really compare. So Rail is deemed to be the best at this moment.

Likewise , from Seremban , kajang to Kl , massive demands for rail ,and there is no LRT. A big bulk of people using this route.

There is a saying that most people in KL prefer to drive to work than to use public transport. I think it is a rather the lacking of a good transport ( now more like sardines ) system. The VVIP has personally tasted before.

I remember people said LRT failed bcos of higher cost to travel . It was quite empty for some time. Until the co took back or bailed out by the Government.

Now again, it is packed like Sardines on certain hours.

I think demands would exceed supplies for public transport, meaning bringing more people traffic to Subang Parade. Toll , fuel and parkings are also imp factors.

Another chicken and egg issue.

Just my opinion.

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