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post Jan 21 2008, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 20 2008, 11:36 PM)
Humbrol is another enamel paint and have a very large range of color. Provided our local store have stock it enough. Humbrol ams tamiya enamel paint is mean for plastic paint, So it is save.

One good think about enamel paint is, it is thin, easy to apply and dry fast.
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Enamel paint usually dries slower. not faster.
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post Jan 21 2008, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(300078 @ Jan 21 2008, 07:33 AM)
Enamel paint usually dries slower. not faster.
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Are you sure compare to the acrylics? Hmm.. let me try it out after I get the enamel paint.
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post Jan 21 2008, 01:42 PM

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enamel is the slowest to dry also depends wat u mix with.. =)
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post Jan 21 2008, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jan 21 2008, 01:42 PM)
enamel is the slowest to dry also depends wat u mix with.. =)
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I mean apply direct without mix. I using humbrol before. It very liquid, thin and dry fast.
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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jan 19 2008, 11:57 PM)
Mr. Metal Colors  is acrylics  or lacquers? me nvr own 1 b4 >,< but anyway u use Aluminium material u must have to use Metal SUFACER to avoid orange pee.
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Oooo.... icic. But isnt it called mr metal primer ? Its mr metal primer rite...
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post Jan 21 2008, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(zero1st @ Jan 21 2008, 02:04 AM)
abit of side note for u enamel paint user ...... enamel is save with PS plastic but it will harm ABS plastic .... it is not recommend that u apply enamel on ABS plastick cause it will make the plastic become "Crispy" ...... if u guys dunno which part of the kit is ABS plastic check the instruction book .... but mostly will be either the skel frame or the joints .....
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oh man...cant use aa...haiz... thn maybe just use acrylic for that...wad u mean by crispy anyway?
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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Jan 21 2008, 10:40 PM)
oh man...cant use aa...haiz... thn maybe just use acrylic for that...wad u mean by crispy anyway?
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u still can use just dun paint enamel on ABS ....... u can use tamiya spray can on the skel frame and hand paint enamel on the armor .....

Crispy here mean the resistance of the plastic will become weak ...... if u press it abit harder the plastic will be hancur
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(zero1st @ Jan 21 2008, 11:16 PM)
u still can use just dun paint enamel on ABS ....... u can use tamiya spray can on the skel frame and hand paint enamel on the armor .....

Crispy here mean the resistance of the plastic will become weak ...... if u press it abit harder the plastic will be hancur
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I have used enamel on ABS and also PS and it doesn't make the plastic become brittle. I have googled around and found that ABS dissolves in acetone/toluene which one of the main component in hardware lacquer thinner. Unless you are using hardware lacquer thinner to thin enamel paint, for sure the plastic will melt. I think the thinner purposely made for hobby usage won't melt plastic kits. I have used mr.color thinner to strip off my screwed up paint and it doesn't melt the plastic at all. smile.gif

If you want your paint dry faster you can use humbrol's own thinner or zippo fluid. If your want it dry slower, you can thin it with turpentine or spirit but your paint will be more forgiving thus less brush strokes when it dries. Also i'd recommend to thin instead of using directly out of the bottle so that the paint can have more time to self-level before it dries. (again lesser brush strokes and also more time to fix errors)
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QUOTE(crayzee @ Jan 22 2008, 12:39 AM)
I have used enamel on ABS and also PS and it doesn't make the plastic become brittle. I have googled around and found that ABS dissolves in acetone/toluene which one of the main component in hardware lacquer thinner. Unless you are using hardware lacquer thinner to thin enamel paint, for sure the plastic will melt. I think the thinner purposely made for hobby usage won't melt plastic kits. I have used mr.color thinner to strip off my screwed up paint and it doesn't melt the plastic at all.  smile.gif

If you want your paint dry faster you can use humbrol's own thinner or zippo fluid. If your want it dry slower, you can thin it with turpentine or spirit but your paint will be more forgiving thus less brush strokes when it dries. Also i'd recommend to thin instead of using directly out of the bottle so that the paint can have more time to self-level before it dries. (again lesser brush strokes and also more time to fix errors)
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enamel dosent melt ABS plastic directly it eats the plastic slowly making it crispy in the end .......

another reason i disencourage painting enamel on ABS plastic is now day the joints and skel frame of gundam kit r made form ABS plastic which is made to endure abuse so that the kit joints wont lose so easily by applying enamel on it ur making the plastic weak ending up breaking the joints ..... some of u guys should know by now that even if the kit is just snap fit some joints also will break if ur not careful enuf .....

if u guys still need more prove read up 2006 or 2007 issu of dengeki hobby magazine when ABS plastic was introduce in gundam there are written that enamel paints will harm the plastic .....
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QUOTE(zero1st @ Jan 22 2008, 01:21 AM)
enamel dosent melt ABS plastic directly it eats the plastic slowly making it crispy in the end .......

another reason i disencourage painting enamel on ABS plastic is now day the joints and skel frame of gundam kit r made form ABS plastic which is made to endure abuse so that the kit joints wont lose so easily by applying enamel on it ur making the plastic weak ending up breaking the joints .....  some of u guys should know by now that even if the kit is just snap fit some joints also will break if ur not careful enuf .....

if u guys still need more prove read up 2006 or 2007 issu of dengeki hobby magazine when ABS plastic was introduce in gundam there are written that enamel paints will harm the plastic .....
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totally agree....especially on f91...where 100% abs joint....

but then even on soft rubber joint, dun used on it as well...unless u hav a layer of paint over it...if direct contact...bye bye tp ypur gundam sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Jan 22 2008, 02:19 PM)
totally agree....especially on f91...where 100% abs joint....

but then even on soft rubber joint, dun used on it as well...unless u hav a layer of paint over it...if direct contact...bye bye tp ypur gundam sweat.gif
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yeah.. already got my share of broken parts when use a wrong color type...
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 21 2008, 01:45 PM)
I mean apply direct without mix. I using humbrol before. It very liquid, thin and dry fast.
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Hmm not sure about humbrol, but for Tamiya Enamel it dries way slower than those acrylic paint making it possible for u to rub of the pain

QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Jan 22 2008, 02:19 PM)
totally agree....especially on f91...where 100% abs joint....

but then even on soft rubber joint, dun used on it as well...unless u hav a layer of paint over it...if direct contact...bye bye tp ypur gundam sweat.gif
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My F91 leg joint broke after i AB it.........even without using Enamel......i think too many thinner also make the ABS joint weak!
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jan 22 2008, 03:02 PM)
Hmm not sure about humbrol, but for Tamiya Enamel it dries way slower than those acrylic paint making it possible for u to rub of the pain
My F91 leg joint broke after i AB it.........even without using Enamel......i think too many thinner also make the ABS joint weak!
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Regarding the breaking thing.... one of my Freedom's gun joints ( the guns on the side of his leg ) broke into many pieces.... i painted the thing with Super Black ( thinned with mr color thinner and added retarder ). It broke when i pieced the whole gun together. sad.gif I didnt even extend the gun yet, the joint break d lol.... not into two, but into many pieces... cry.gif

Same thing happened to the joint on my Crossbone gundam's leg ... and both are the same type of joint. mad.gif

Does painting a plastic part with thinner based paint make it weaker ???? I heard from one modeler that thinner based paint can sorta deform your kit after many years... and advice me to switch to water based paint. blink.gif Any ideas ?
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water base arent so good! The effects arent as good as acrylic base! Anyway just dun paint ur inner frame and joint should avoid the problem! LOL this aint a good suggestion! Anyway i seldom pose my kit!
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post Jan 22 2008, 08:07 PM

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I never broke anything b4 while AB-ing with thinner based paint especially when my thinner to paint ratio is 3:1. Seeing all you guys reported such problem, then i rest my case ph34r.gif
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post Jan 22 2008, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(crayzee @ Jan 22 2008, 12:39 AM)
I have used enamel on ABS and also PS and it doesn't make the plastic become brittle. I have googled around and found that ABS dissolves in acetone/toluene which one of the main component in hardware lacquer thinner. Unless you are using hardware lacquer thinner to thin enamel paint, for sure the plastic will melt. I think the thinner purposely made for hobby usage won't melt plastic kits. I have used mr.color thinner to strip off my screwed up paint and it doesn't melt the plastic at all.  smile.gif

If you want your paint dry faster you can use humbrol's own thinner or zippo fluid. If your want it dry slower, you can thin it with turpentine or spirit but your paint will be more forgiving thus less brush strokes when it dries. Also i'd recommend to thin instead of using directly out of the bottle so that the paint can have more time to self-level before it dries. (again lesser brush strokes and also more time to fix errors)
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tamiya's one slow slower rite? and turpentine is totally safe or not??? ( i like to make sure a few times... from different ppl coz im very very paranoid...srry...
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post Jan 22 2008, 11:19 PM

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u keep asking also no use one...
u find tat guys is pro then u listen to him and try...
keep asking without trying will make u confused.. last time i'm like tat.. after i try out everything then only i understand.. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 22 2008, 11:31 PM

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XD... but u guys use turpentine rite? nthg happen to ur gundams?
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post Jan 22 2008, 11:32 PM

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get a SD to test 1st if u're sked... everything ok then move on to ur project..
i'm using 2 SD to sacriface whistling.gif xD
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post Jan 22 2008, 11:33 PM

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XDXD...but basically u gotta wait long time b4 u kno wad happens...so i scared le...XD...

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