Hello Kopi,

Which one u pick?

Bezza 1.3 Extreme Or Saga Premium 1.3

For bezza second spec, i can get full spec saga. But bezza has push start button.

For comfort, safety, fuel consumption, Acceleration, Family, mantainance, etc

Most important is mantainance

Which one will u pick?

2nd hand T / H

Bangang , siapa kopi

If twisting car key also lazy

Better dont drive

wait Proton x50.

Will sapu all cars

bezza = city car
saga = highway car

i notice bezza body are very weak, not solid.

Axia

SAGA less buruk compare to Bezza

saga is slightly bigger than bezza. saga handling is better. bezza back seat is straight and uncomfortable for long trip. Bezza is better fc. if u live in city, got many traffic jam and traffic light. go for bezza.

edit: proton use dual clutch punch cvt which is delay for few seconds

This post has been edited by alpha001: May 24 2019, 10:04 AM

nak tulis kopitiam, tertulis kopi. lol.. puasa maafkan saya

A push start button might be a desirable feature, but not important at all.

comfort, Saga
safety, Saga
fuel consumption, Bezza
Acceleration, Bezza
Family, Saga
mantainance, Saga
etc Proton 2.0

This post has been edited by Proton Supir-ma S: May 24 2019, 10:05 AM

2nd hand passat
40k
Vrooooooooooooom

This post has been edited by shinchan^^: May 24 2019, 10:04 AM

Topup cikit for godcar

not lazy la haiyoo. Just bezza put push start button, for me it got style. 2019 brotha no offense.

Saga ur choice?

what car? any suggest?

safety is my priority. if 10 years ago probably not so much.

if a push start button can sway your decision

i would question your sense of judgement



i'd rather u not pick any and dont drive

my friend said bezza is for grab car.

Kinda like how proton saga dulu2 associate with taxi merah

Safety Bezza. 5 Star Ancap vs Saga 4.

style without substance is useless. If you know its already 2019 and style is of utmost importance to you.. then you wont be choosing either Bezza or Saga in the first place. If you justify that with lack of budget... then u shudn't even think about style at all but maximise practically with whatever budget u're limited to.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: May 24 2019, 10:26 AM

bezza 5 star need to take advance full spec.

take saga

yah. but that y im in dillema. Can get saga full spec with the price of bezza second spec. The only style it has only for push start button.

lol. safety first. how about the mantainance for saga?

saga premium okay but not saga sv.

tapi satu je masalah proton. built quality cepat tear.

saga aku bunyi macam macam bila drive

For car that size, saga is better at that price

This post has been edited by Proton Supir-ma S: May 24 2019, 10:20 AM

why?

saga full spec apo dapat?

cerita ler skit kelebihannyer, apo dia bagi?

This.

just becoz of push start

hahahahahahahahahhaha

beli motor je la

Bezza of course..

Who buy saga nowadays mmg bodo.

X de ap. Cuma safety dye bagi mcm ABS, ESC, TC, Hild Hold Assist. Camtu la. Kalau bezza second spec hanya ad safety tambahan ABS je.

tis

actually is not me. Its my fiance. I already hve axia n motor of coz.

Perempuan kalau dye kata push start button tu dye suka, mmg dye nak tu je. ni yang post sebb nak bgi dye compare btol2. jgn nyesal lepas tu hahaha.

damn, she want becoz she jelly people push start also hahahaha

honda city aku pun baru pakai setahun klo lalu bump je pun bunyi ek ok ek ok spring...

the best built quality aku penah pakai mazda3 cbu je tahun 2008-2009 dlu

perodua pun sama je kualiti cam proton...cuma kelebihan enjin daihatsu/toyolta je...dah pakai kelisa, myvi seblom nih....

Those who buta-buta say this also mmg bodo. How many year this mamat stuck under coconut shell? Wanna compare use logic and latest models, not your imaginary perception.

saga lah better car

better driving experience

better safety

Hello Kopi

safety, comfort, maintenance, all saga wins.

safety - proton handling much better than bezza. better handling = less likely to lose control, less likely to get into accident
comfort - both also meh, but saga is less wobbly. beeza is tall, small wheels, so u imagine the ride la
maintenance - both parts also cheap, but i'll be willing to bet saga parts will be cheaper & more abundant in the future

FC & acceleration - both also hav similar FC, & acceleration is meh. but u cant trust paper spec. all perodua has the same problem, where after u put som weight in it (driver, passenger), FC goes down the drain.

conclusion:
if u love your family, get any car but perodua. perodua cars r notoriously horrible in handling & safety.
that's y u always see perdorua get into accident, & often fatal accident.
there is a reason y perodua car is usually about ~100kg lighter than their counterpart.
cuz use cheap ass tin milo.

No. Comparing latest models.

Saga is shit compared to bezza.

Slightly better safety is not as great as having better FC.

Besides, u drive like an idiot, u wud still die in a saga.

bezza handling horrible.
meaning u're far more likely to get into accident at the first place.
also, bezza very vulnerable to crosswind.

aku pun dengar dalam forum and luar forum kata honda quality down. toyota better.
cabin toyota lagi senyap dari honda

Waiting for TS to pusing-pusing your honest comment/review and troll out this thread longer.

i'm driving 9 years old saga BLM first model.

so i vote saga. saga aircond > all.

Saga - wait for the new facelift version coming soon - I have a feeling the pricing and new features is going to make it even more bang for the bucks ...

Very easy to convert key to push button and plenty of choice too... Just go find it anywhere from accessories shop or online shopping...
But push start not important...

What pusing2? what troll? This is serious thread. I gonna buy it during eid. So need to choose wisely. I want to see all the review n what they think about this two car.

Ok sir.

look solid...

https://careta.my/article/tips-penjagaan-transmisi-cvt-punch

Tips Penjagaan Transmisi CVT (Punch)



Memandu sebuah kenderaan dengan transmisi CVT adalah berbeza berbanding transmisi automatik biasa. Oleh kerana ia tiada gear, penukaran kelajuan amat lancar dan menjimatkan minyak berbanding transmisi tradisional.

Kereta moden kebanyakannya telah pun dilengkapi dengan transmisi CVT. Namun begitu, tidak ramai pengguna yang arif berkenaan penjagaan terhadap transmisi jenis CVT ini. Penggunaan yang salah (dan kasar) akan menyebabkan anda menyumpah seranah pengeluar dan penjual padahal ia adalah disebabkan kenaifan diri sendiri.

Berikut adalah tips penjagaan transmisi CVT yang kami petik yang telah ditulis oleh Drex Chan, Pengarah Eksekutif dari EA Autoworks yang perlu kita tahu.

1. Ketika mula bergerak

- Kebanyakan antara kita memang mempunyai masalah kaki kanan yang berat. 0.3 saat sebelum lampu bertukar hijau, maka pedal to the metal. Jangan. Ketika memulakan perjalanan, biarkan kenderaan maju ke hadapan tanpa menekan minyak dan anda boleh perlahan-lahan menambahkan kelajuan. Elakkan keadaan full throttle ketika mula bergerak.

- Selepas membayar tol, kita selalunya mahu berdesup dan mengalahkan Perodua Myvi yang memotong kita secara merbahaya tadi, maka kita pun memecut secara kasar. Pecutan secara kasar ini sebenarnya boleh merosakkan transmisi CVT. Seharusnya kita tenang, dan tingkatkan kelajuan anda secara berperingkat.

2. Ketika bergerak di dalam kesesakan

- Biarkan transmisi CVT yang bekerja di dalam kesesakan. Anda tidak perlukan pendikit minyak untuk maju ke hadapan.

3. Ketika mula mendaki kawasan cerun

- Selalu menggunakan brek parking (brek tangan) ketika sedang berhenti di kawasan cerun. Brek parking merupakan perkara yang terakhir sekali yang anda perlu lepaskan selepas pedal brek dilepaskan dan pendikit minyak ditekan.

4. Sebelum menghentikan kereta

- Bagi pengguna yang kurang sabar, mereka didapati akan menukar posisi gear dari D ke R (dan sebaliknya) tanpa menunggu kereta berhenti sepenuhnya atau kadar penukaran itu dilakukan terlalu pantas. Keadaan ini boleh merosakkan transmisi sekiranya selalu dilakukan. Sebaiknya, biarkan kereta berhenti sepenuhnya, baharulah kita menukar kepada gear yang diingini.


Perkara yang perlu dielakkan oleh pemilik kereta bertransmisi CVT adalah seperti berikut:-

1. Menggunakan mod shiftronic ketika sedang full throttle atau enjin berkelajuan tinggi.

2. Menukar posisi gear dari D (Drive) ke neutral ketika sedang menuruni bukit. Sentiasa mengekalkan posisi gear D supaya anda boleh membrek dengan bantuan enjin (engine braking).

3. Melakukan imbangan on-wheel dalam keadaan gear Neutral tanpa menghidupkan enjin.

4. Menunda kereta dalam keadaan mengundur.

5. Tidak melakukan adaptasi klac berkala (periodic clutch adaptation). Anda boleh melakukan sendiri sekiranya anda mahir. Jika tidak, sila rujuk kepada pakar perihal ini.

6. Tidak menukar bendalir transmisi dan penapis bendalir mengikut kadar masa yang ditetapkan.

7. Menggunakan bendalir transmisi yang tidak bersesuaian dengan ketetapan pengeluar.

8. Terkurang mengisi bendalir transmisi juga mampu merosakkan transmisi kerana peranan bendalir ni amat penting bagi memastikan kelancaran pergerakan. Pastikan mekanik/pusat servis merekod item ini ketika melakukan servis berkala.

Sebagai pengguna, kita hendaklah sentiasa merujuk kepada buku manual berkenaan masa menukar bendalir transmisi dan penapis bendalir supaya dapat menjaga ketahanan transmisi. Setiap pengeluar mempunyai ketetapan tersendiri bagi memastikan sistem transmisi mereka mampu berjalan dengan baik.

Pastikan anda membaca buku panduan kereta sebelum mula memandu buat kali pertama supaya anda faham apakah keperluan sebenar kenderaan anda. Walaupun kereta ialah sebuah mesin buatan manusia, namun mesin juga mempunyai keperluan tersendiri. Andai mesin ini merajuk, anda sudah tentu ketiadaan kenderaan untuk ke sana sini di samping mencederakan dompet anda dengan lebih parah sekiranya keperluan mereka tidak dijaga rapi.

My advice, go test drive yourself. Can test drive a few times if you want and it's free. There are many factors other than just specs or on-paper performance. Like someone mentioned, Bezza might have better FC on paper, but it goes down the drain with 1-2 passengers. Plus you might prefer the handling of one car better than the other.

I've personally tested both and I feel the Bezza is very unresponsive. This is how their fuel economy focus affects actual performance. Burst acceleration at higher speeds (90+kmh) is also rather poor while the Saga still has decent response. You can listen to us talk shit, but end of the day, nothing beats testing yourself.

I said once here before. CVT punch is indeed sucks but many dono how to properly operate it. I said before Punch CVT can save fuel based on my own observation and experience driving a Preve. For a heavy car max mileage per full tank i get is almost 700km. But nobody want to believe.


This one my CoSE mechanic did this right in front of me many times to test abnormal noise near the wheel. Farking heck. Berbulu betul when he did that over and over

This post has been edited by maxizanc: May 24 2019, 11:19 AM

bezza handling is just like axia

axia is a floating sampan experience

if u like sampan go for it



saga handling way better than any perodua cars
but maintenance a bit higher than perodua



u cant do much with push start button.


fuel consumption=bezza wins

a/c quality = saga wins big time

how?
teach me master

i max can go 450Km (sometime stretch 500Km if really2 light-footed)

nowadays i only drive thru traffic jam

For real?

u value your fc more than safety?

Sometimes, people is rushing like observe those Myvi car which not even a supercar categories but they speeding like hell. If your car have 500 to 1K H/P then it was only a real sport car not those normal car like Myvi...

You know why Bezza save fuel?

I went to test drive when it first launched, 4 occupants in the car climbing a fairly steep hill (bukit segar in cheras if you know where)

Pedal to the metal liao, but still in 4th gear refuse to downshift, slowly crawling uphill at 20kmh while the eco indicator lit up showing that I am driving economically.

One of the most mindfcuk test drive I've ever experienced.

Mine minimum 500. Maximum around 670km like that.

Average fc not more than 8l/100km

The tips is: when want yo move the car you eill notice car going faster when u press the accelerator softly. Compared to you press the accelerator hard, car going forward like turtle. Try la and see the difference then you know the idea already

Cvt punch no meant for pedal to metal one. Must slow slow press

When want to accelerate 0kmph to 100kmph, ensure press the pedal like 5% only, stay at 5% and gradually pres harder to 10%, 15% 20% until u reach 60kmph then relase back to 15% to 10% then when reack 100kmph release back to 5%

Listen to the engine. Press abit, relase, press abit, release

This post has been edited by maxizanc: May 24 2019, 11:36 AM

maybe they got butt sensor that trigger the eco indicator to light up... driving with full load (read: car pooling) is always more economy than driving alone.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: May 24 2019, 11:36 AM

the only downside of the saga is the bloody punch cvt. no matter how updated, it is the poorest cvt car i ever driven.
any 4 speeder is better than the cvt

The other poster said Bezza has 5* vs 4* for Saga. I just pointed out to him that the 5* is only for the top variant with ESC which is not the variant TS is looking at. So, his point is invalid.

Did you try to 1.3 or 1.0A? I have rented both before. The 1.0A is better tuned and has higher butt-dyno torque, it's actually quite OK for its puny engine.

Lol.. this is your problem. Not much you can do about it.

For gb penumbuk, drop to L if want pick up at low speed

wait.. your's is CFE or NA preve?

scared got different later

i only press to the metal when after exiting toll booth

i mostly press about 5% initially.. then 10% and more by 15-20% i've already reach 80-100kmh
but i loss most of the fuel during traffic jam..literally the fuel drop like air paip.

damn sad

my FC drop kaw2

i sit my relative bezza 1.0A, 3 passenger + 1 driver, the car feels damn underpowered.

actually all small CC engine also has this common problem.
the FC only good if no weight.
once add som weight, the FC even more horrible than higher CC engine.

Wait for saga facelift...coming in 1-2 months time
Hello proton,push start,4at

Saga cheaper to maintain...comfort?Bezza rear seat is the most uncomfortable seats ever made by Malaysia car manufacturer

This post has been edited by proton_man: May 24 2019, 11:55 AM

ts wait abit for perotiga

https://careta.my/node/5051

10 cara agar transmisi automatik anda panjang umur


Sistem transmisi atau kotak gear atau “gearbox” ialah komponen kedua paling mahal dan paling sibuk selepas enjin. Ia juga sangat kompleks dan mempunyai banyak komponen yang sentiasa berpusing.

Di Malaysia, kebanyakan kenderaan yang dijual ialah yang menggunakan transmisi automatik. Mungkin kerana harga minyak kita yang masih murah kerana di Eropah di mana harga minyak boleh mencecah sehingga RM7.00 seliter, transmisi manual menjadi pilihan kerana ia menjimatkan penggunaan bahan bakar. Apapun, pilihan di tangan pengguna dan lebih 80 peratus kenderaan persendirian yang dijual di Malaysia ialah kenderaan dengan transmisi automatik.

Careta berkongsi pendapat dari beberapa mekanik untuk menyenaraikan cara-cara bagaimana kita boleh menjaga transmisi automatik kereta kita.

1.Pastikan kenderaan dalam keadaan berhenti sepenuhnya sebelum anda mengubah gear dari D ke R (gear undur). Ramai pemandu yang kurang sabar dalam bab ini sebenarnya.

2.Bila meletakkan kenderaan di jalanraya curam, gunakan handbrake dahulu sebelum masukkan gear ke P. Ini mengurangkan beban pada komponen seperti pin pada posisi P dan penyambungnya.

3.Letakkan transmisi ke N (neutral) bila berhenti lama di lampu merah. Ia mengurangkan beban kepada komponen-komponen berpusing seperti torque converter dan lain-lain.

4.Jangan selalu melanggar tebing jalan (road kerb) bila meletakkan kenderaan anda. Ia juga sedikit sebanyak memberikan beban yang tidak perlu pada sistem transmisi dan juga tayar anda.

5.Untuk transmisi automatik dengan tukaran gear manual (plus/minus), jangan selalu memaksa gear untuk turun ke nisbah lebih rendah ketika turun bukit atau ketika mahu memperlahankan kenderaan. Ia bukan sahja teknik yang salah, ia bakal merosakan kotak gear automatik anda. Gunakan brek untuk memperlahankan kereta dan selepas itu, turun pada gear yang sesuai.

6.Selalu periksa tahap pelincir transmisi (ATF atau automatic transmission fluid). Lakukan setiap 5,000 km atau tiga bulan sekali. Tanpa pelincir yang cukup, kotak gear akan rosak dengan sangat mudah. Jika pelincir kurang atau disyakki bocor, jangan pandu kenderaan anda. Panggil penunda (tow truck) dan tunda ke bengkel atau pusat servis kereta. Biar rugi RM150 (upah menunda) dari rugi berbelas-belas ribu RM (harga transmisi automatik boleh mencecah puluhan ribu Ringgit sebenarnya).

7.Haba ialah musuh utama transmisi automatik. Selain dari pelincir ATF yang mencukupi, pastikan sistem itu sesuai dengan cuaca di neagra kita yang panas dan lembab ini. Sekiranya kereta anda jenis reconditioned (recond), periksa samada ia boleh dipasang dengan ATF cooler. Jika boleh dan jika mampu, pasang kerana ia akan membantu anda memanjangkan hayat kotak gear tersebut.

8.Selalu ganti penapis sistem transmisi anda. Periksa dengan buku manual atau dengan pusat servis. Tidak salah jika anda menukarnya lebih awal.

9.Gunakan pelincir terbaik seperti sintetik untuk sistem transmisi automatik anda. Ia ialah satu pelaburan yang berbaloi.

10.Sekiranya anda terlekat di dalam lumpur, jangan cuba untuk maju dan undurkan kenderaan dengan ganas. Tunggu sebelum anda tukar ke gear undur, dan rehat sebentar sebelum masuk ke D semula. Ini ialah satu petua yang selalu dilupakan, terutama kepada kenderaan 4X4 automatik yang mempunyai tork yang sangat tinggi. Hasilnya, terpaksa menggantikan transmisi automatik yang rosak akibat keganasan sendiri.

Meaning other new proton saga? When? If it satisfied then i can wait.

Duh. That's why u need to be in car industry long enough to understand.

Ppl buying cars at that price range don't have safety at the top of their mind. As long the car got abs, 2-4 airbags enough d.

Ppl want low FC because that's what they will be paying everyday.

And if u drive like a decent person, u will hardly be involved in an accident. The most common being minor knocks here n there.

I don't know why ppl think saga has better safety than bezza. Just because saga is "harder" and heavier?

U guys are clowns.

U want safety, go get a Merc or a volvo.

I don't recommend proton because their cars have shit FC and shit reliability, and shit Service centres.

This post has been edited by kevin23: May 24 2019, 12:05 PM

had the same dilemma last march.

end up buying saga premium since it is quieter and more spacious inside compared to bezza. more stable on highway speeds too.

fuel compared to my cousin's bezza kinda similar since mostly driving in city only.

1L of cuz la. Bezza must buy 1.3L

Huge difference.

no la

madey new car company la

not sure flying "car" or normal land vehicle

lol

your arguments lack substance

I show you this video so that you can understand more about safety



white porsche drive decently also kana bang by stupid perdana



you already made up your mind about proton. so anything coming from your mouth are just plain ignorance

bezza got green daun, saga got?

got eco mode also

I had the chance to drive this car for few months

naik genting 4 occupants also like you, the last few steep one crawling like fuark

but ok lah, ppl like kevin23 sure like the fc, very jimat

but handling is like sampan, once bus/lorry overtake u , u can feel the car shaking a bit

Dude this type of accident u won't die wan la. Worst come to worst some minor injury.

Lorry bang u, saga or bezza u still die.

buying now - bezza
buying later - wait saga facelift

there u go. now you talking logic



get this instead

Saga is easier to brake
Easier for emergency turn
Etc
That is safety

Hello, that's what I meant frm the beginning. So if lorry bang and u die regardless of bezza or saga, what's the point of buying saga?

Yes u want safety, either Merc or volvo. This xc90 is a real tank.

lel typical la he always preface his arguments with "work in the car industry for many years".

claims to owned a Golf GTi padahal can't even differentiate clutchpack and mechatronic kek.

This post has been edited by dares: May 24 2019, 01:06 PM

Wait for the new FL Saga to be launched soon. Hearsay, it will use 4AT instead of CVT with head up display unit.

Test drive both later. Now ada Tongsan touch up, quality ada cikit up.

If eksiden chances of survival in a proton is higher den a perodua

no.
axia better. can sleep inside.