I'm sure it has to be without heatsinks.

You can't build a PC for RM2599 that will match the PS5's performance, I guarantee you. If you can, I'll buy you that PC for free and toss in a PS5 too. How about that? Wanna take the challenge?

60fps 1440p gameplay but downgrade to visual quality all around. So much for PS5's "4x power".

Lol the more they show off about the PS5, the more I don't want it.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 1 2020, 03:15 PM

If you ask me, well... getting older. Time for gaming is getting lesser. For me that means if I play a game, I want to play it in its best possible quality just so I can enjoy it to the fullest because its most certainly a one time experience. Same goes for movies too. That's the whole reason I spend so much for my entertainment, to experience them the best way possible.

Nvidia already won long time ago, I've already conceded and accepted that reality.

60fps with ray tracing is very difficult and unrealistic goal to achieve.

But spider-man remastered at 60fps is done without ray tracing, reduced shadow quality, and reduced ambient occlusion quality yet if the video is indicative of anything, doesn't seem like it's 60fps locked. The resolution looks like 1440p with the same temporal injection they've used in the original game and in R&C remake.

Series X looks enticing, but since it has gamepass ultimate, why would I buy it when their games will also be available on PC? Why not just, play it on a PC?

Yes I'm getting a 3080. This may very well be the generation where I quit console gaming altogether.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 3 2020, 03:53 PM

Apparently PS5 is only going to have 664GB of usable space after provisioning and reserve for the OS.

Lol.

Doubt the OS is taking up that much space, it's space provisioning so the SSD can remain at its optimum speed for longer periods of time. SSD's performance can drop if you fill the NANDs up to the brim and the controller no longer has anymore spare flash space to rewrite data.

The promise is that they're pushing devs to allow only certain parts of their game to be installed or uninstalled as required by the users. Works for games with SP and MP modes I guess, but ultra huge SP games? Uh yeah... that's another problem of its own.

1TB could have been the bare minimum, if you guys are okay with pay $600 for a console.

You have to understand that XSX is not using the same SSD as the PS5. Sony's own SSD is proprietary, especially its controller. MS is mostly off the shelf, just with a custom PCB form factor. It's also why MS partnered with Seagate so that they can monopolize all external storage for the XSX.

Yeah you can replace the PS5's SSD with a standard PCIE4.0 nvme drive, but you can't use the PS5's SSD anywhere else even if it could fit on your motherboard's m.2 slot.

They have not confirmed this yet. HDMI VRR is very likely supported. Freesync though....

Finally, an ass shot of the PS5:



GG optical users. Told you guys it's dead.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 6 2020, 05:04 PM

Doing that often causes audio sync issues. Not all TVs has lip sync adjustment.


Not sure why they don't just have option for both, like they do now on the PS4.

Only thing I'm surprised about is that they're using liquid metal for the TIM. Looks like all the shit they've gotten from their 5 cents TIM they used for the PS4, Slim and Pro has got them off their lazy asses to finally use better TIM.

Everything else though.... wow, lots of cost cutting I see going on.

Yes, I stand corrected.


Yeah it is smaller. 130mm on the XSX, 120mm on the PS5.

But size isn't everything. Shape and design is more important.

It's good enough, but could be better. It's one area they juggled cost cutting and performance the most I believe.

But radial fans are always fundamentally flawed in their design. It's never going to have great static pressure and it'll never be super quiet, no matter how much they try. You simply can't bear the physics of fan shape.

Upon watching the vid again, I noticed a few more things;

- I count 6 phases on the VRM side. It's either a 5+1 or 4+2 config for the APU and memory, this to me is borderline enough. Another cost cutting area as the XSX is 8 phases. Too bad the video doesn't zoom in enough to see what ICs they use for the VRM though.

- 350w PSU may sound like a lot, but it's also borderline enough. It's a class D topology as usual but wished they opened it up to show who the OEM is.

- Internal antennas for the wifi 6 and bluetooth doesn't seem very good. It's about the best place they can put it, but boy I'm not expecting much better wifi than the PS4 here.

- They soldered down the NANDs for the internal SSD, fine. But I wonder what kind of NANDs they are, TLC? Didn't zoom in enough to see who made the NANDs either.

The material itself is not super expensive. It's 2-3x more expensive than most metal based non conductive TIMs but on the whole, not gonna break the bank.

But it does mean they need to have some competent people at the assembly line to apply it properly. Because LQM is highly conductive, can't just put a dab and screw it onto the heatsink. Needs to be spread properly. Just one spill onto the mobo and it's GG entire PS5. So this part increases assembly time which means an increase in cost.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 7 2020, 10:25 PM

The venting for the nvme slot is there, but looks very constricted. Not much of an active air flow going through there it seems like. If you look at it again, the slot is located pretty near the fan though.

But hard to judge without a more detailed teardown look.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 8 2020, 12:49 PM

It's all relative.

My definition of "super quiet" is below 30db, from a 1m distance. The noise floor of my HT room is 28db, so anything louder I can hear it specifically.

I do not think Sony's term of "super quiet" is anywhere close to my definition of it.

This would be a bit technical, but I'll try to simplify it as much as possible.

A processor of any kind needs electric (duh) in which case the motherboard is receiving from the power supply as voltage. But the processor cannot just use that voltage as is, it needs to be be phased out till the point where it is low enough and not too high for it to work, as specified by the processor design. Too low of a voltage causes instability, too high of a voltage causes monumental heat increase. There has to be a correct balance.

So VRM phases will take the voltage and filter them out, as many times as the phases are available before going through to the processor. Generally speaking, the more phases there are, the more times the incoming voltage will be checked and thus the more accurate and clean the current will be. So if there are 6 phases, the voltage will be checked six times.

But of course phases aren't free, the more phases there are, the more difficult it is to implement. It's not simply just getting more mosfets and slapping them onto the board.

To go back to the PS5, I'm not making any conclusion until there are high res pictures of the motherboard. I do not know what mosfets they are using and the caps look to be sufficient too. But Cerny mentioned how they are controlling clock speeds in relation to temperatures, but in order to have a correct balance on that - the VRM section needs to be robust too. From the teardown, it looks good enough but again, no conclusion because it's not close enough to see what components they are using.