You still don't understand what is reserved the right to void, isn't it...it is up to them. You mean to tell me you still doubt they reserved their right to void warranty sweat.
You are arguing on absolute case that are known. There might those that are not reported online. We don't know. Maybe none.

Ppl are asking if installing 3rd party connected to fuse and obd, can void warranty or not. That means they wanted assurance 100% no void warranty if install.

We are talking about legal point here. From the beginning I am saying "car manufacturer reserved the right to void warranty".

Does that means 100% void if install? I never did say that. I say they can void your warranty (at least on electrical) if they caught you installing and reported to HQ.

SC would likely never report to HQ unless they have to make a warranty claim related to electrical system thru their system, then it is up to them to report the condition of the car related to the warranty claim parts or related section.

I reiterate, the question ppl are asking is if there is a risk of voiding warranty, we say yes, they is a risk even if it is 1%, while you cannot say 100% would never void warranty. The legal clause are there for car manufacturer to reserved the right to terminate certain warranty.

Many installed also no problem, right!!! I also install 3rd party tint and risk voiding the motor warranty. Still I knowingly do it acknowledging that there is a risk but not likely to occur. If occur also maybe no void but there is a risk of voiding the moment I install them. I risked it cause I can still afford to pay for the motor if really kena but if it is related to car electrical and OBD that are even kena car ECU, the risk is too much for me. So I don't take the risk but many do and no problem with that. Legally tho, they are running the risk if get caught.

You can say unplug OBD and remove the dashcam before go SC. Yes, you could, as I say if get caught. That means you are still running a risk to void warranty, that is the main point of what ppl are asking. You can say install lar, if got problem, unplug and remove b4 you go. No problem with that. Still does that not mean acknowledging that if you keep it there during warranty claim related to ECU system (OBD) and electrical, there is always a risk of voiding warranty.

Many dashcam OBD have pin only for the electrical current but exclude the PIN connecting to ECU or other system but don't be surprise some do. Surprisingly DDPAI FB, got ppl kena unstable car system then P2 SC asked to remove DDPAI OBD for the newer axia or some newer car coz it affect the car system. It could mean the dash OBD does somehow access the diagnostic ECU or something, we really don't know.

I think I let you interpret for yourself the clause in warranty manual. Maybe you can determine 100% won't void based on the clause. Then you are the boss. I admit defeat.




This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 26 2024, 09:25 AM

I think you read to much or take too seriously to wording....

This is a forum, there will facts AND opinions of personal nature and opinion such as "oh, probably will void, T&H looking for excuse to do so" is OBVIOUSLY an opinion of mine.

You THINK I really formally will put in formal statement H & T actually do that!!! Its an 2 cents things !!! Just my opinion on how H&T handle claim nowadays and I think that is true....it is just an opinion, ppl can dispute that. The casual messaging on that is not wrong tho, in my opinion...unless you interpret all the way to god knows where.

Usually ppl will just look at that and say ya, nowadays H&T very strict just like insurance, if can avoid the claim legally, they will do so AND yes, THEY CAN DO SO if system recorded the items related to the claim. Until where you think this will go...

From 'likely void' to 'can void, but likely never report'.
I interpret likely void and can void but likely never report as same message...Ppl asking can void or not...I say likely void coz we have to assume SC will report the installation of 3rd party dashcam when making warranty claim approval request that included the scope of the dashcam connection. "Never reported case" are just assumption BUT can we bet on SC not reporting the installation if it is within the scope of faulty claim? We have to assume the worse and that is what ppl asking about warranty want to know when they ask can void warranty. So my message should be pretty clear although differs slightly when interpret in more detail, can be generally accepted as same....likely/can void.

"Any fuse or obd ports connection, manufacturer will likely void your warranty".
Not wrong. You go ask SC, when they do system (OBD related) and fuse related warranty claim requesting approval on HQ system AND reported the 3rd party items attached within the scope of the claims, they will LIKELY void your warranty. Not 100% but LIKELY. No need proof, just go ask SC. We will have to assume we don't know the SC tech personally and they follow strict procedures on warranty claim. We cannot tell ppl may not void warranty as the SC tech may not report it coz we are not the tech, we have to assume they follow strict procedure when ppl ask generally on warranty.

I don't mind if you correct the facts, it can be wrong but when you start to nitpick on the nuance, wordings...

You can just post back, say bro, I think you wrong lar...I think it should be...(non offensive)
But the way you post back...."If you don't have that then don't talk as if this is a CERTAINTY." (maybe you don't think so but that sounds very aggressive)
oh. btw, It is certainty...coz I used the word likely void instead of will void..

Also the initial post I make, do read carefully, I used the word likely, probably....does that sounds like 100% to you? It's not 100% coz the risk of voiding (again it is risk, not 100%) will only happen if SC make a claim thru the system for HQ approval and reported the dashcam. Again I used the word likely coz it has a higher chance of voiding than can void, not wrong if reported to HQ system. Haha, you see, I leave a way out for myself... Come to think about it....maybe the "might" wording would be better. Aiyo, I thnk I just fall into your trap of emphasizing on words, nounce, messaging thingy...

SC tends to follow the strict instructions more nowadays compared with b4 because car manufacture like H do audit them strictly on warranty cases. Talked to SC and SA, all say the same thing. Of course if you happened upon a good, helpful one that help you "exempt" certain items in the report when making warranty claim approval request, please thank the gods.

Again thanks for reading my ciong hei post....I have too much time at hand these past week waiting for certain automated tasks to complete...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 26 2024, 02:07 PM

Err....that warranty issue is not opinion or did you miss the manual pic I shown. You wanted evidence, I give evidence aka the warranty manual. Maybe it does not meet your expectation of real case evidence but what ppl are generally asking...

1. If anybody got their warranty void becoz of their 3rd party dashcam OR
2. Will installing 3rd party dashcam void warranty?

If you read the posts by most, they are asking the 2nd question which is technically asking for legal confirmation. Yes, it can void, warranty manual stated so, unfortunately most ppl don't read and like to ask around.

If no one challenge they will just believe that OBD/fuse will void warranty.

You means after ALL the explanation and even posted the warranty manual, you still think that is not proper evidence !!! So you must have a real case only prove can void, ignoring the legal clause that are a known fact in the industry. I give up...

Is the clause 5.1.4 and 5.1.7 not clear enuf? As long as they are not authorized by car manufacturer, any auto accs fitted to a car can void the warranty (at car manufacturer discretion). No need to splice or cut wire to void becoz fitted included plug in, connected to car systems or parts with unauthorized 3rd party installation under car manufacturer warranty. 12V plugs can be use for that purpose if want to avoid warranty issue with 3rd party installation.

I have done keep repeating myself even with proven warranty manual and then you started to go back and pick on each sentences and "nuances" of my posts just to find the mistakes I have made in my wordings. I have answered and posted warranty manual with legal clause. I am done with this subject.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 1 2024, 07:59 PM

I also think no need dashcam, all my cars old car without dashcam, only newer Vios comes with dashcam. Decades without issues...then 1 case last year, one of my family's car got accident, the other party argue that my family member did not look properly, so both wrong..

Luckily the car involved is the newer vios, comes with dashcam. Just download and show police, 100% other party wrong, no need argue, no need explain.

Due to this, I decided to install Z50 GPS OBD on the car my wife drove. Then 1 day, she got a big crack sound undercarriage knocking into something on road that she did not see. I tot habis liao, big repair coming. Before sending to mechanic, I checked the dashcam recording at the time of so-called undercarriage collision....turned out front camera record a very small item on road (almost missed it)...when car go over it, big sound....then I checked rear camera at same time and same the very small items bouncing behind the car...Confirmed, that small item cause the big sound. So no need send mechanic.

Now I budget and installed another Z50 GPS OBD on old persona my inexperience daughter is going to drive for peace of mind.

On my car, I egg pain installed the Honda dashcam when I got the car. Yesterday encountered a crash behind my car, a motor crashed a barrier and falls. I tot maybe he scrapped my car (no damage on my car) or at least my braking might have cause him to swerved...Then check honda rear cam, still clear wor, just cannot see car plate number and not anywhere near Z50 resolution but good enuf to see that the motor for whatever reason crashed into the barrier, not my braking, he just miscalculated. If not becoz of that, I tot I might possibly be responsible. So I figure dashcam has become a necessity like insurance, you buy and nothing happened wasted money BUT the moment something happened, it can save you a LOT of troubles and peace of mind. Of course, if you pecut and caused accident, you better delete all recordings...hahaha.

Now I have to budget to install on my last old car. Wait a bit, spend 1.6k on 2 dashcam already...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 4 2024, 08:51 AM

Yes, that is the reason I tried to install on all cars now. It is for insurance and peace of mind.

The warranty void is a scared tactic, I think maybe P2 and others generally won't be strict on it. However H & T is getting stricter at the moment especially H, SC and some other sources mentioned they actually do audit on Warranty case for SCs, so SC are less likely to skip reporting any 3rd party items when seeking approval, not worth to risk car manufacturer anger for the customer benefit. If I buy proton or p2, may just install 3rd party dashcam taking the risk but especially with H brand, I gave in to the warranty void scare, coz they have cases even with 3rd party tint voiding windows motor (even when the tint has been installed for quite a while) which rarely or unheard on other car manufacturers.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 4 2024, 11:48 AM

If you dashcam activate parking mode, there should be a setting on your dashcam's parking mode or OBD to set that.

For DDPAI Z50, we have a setting we can activate in parking mode to cut off dashcam power if battery falls below 12.4V (up to you to set, 12.4V is the max setting to cut power).
Again for DDPAI OBD, the OBD plug itself has a switch for 24 hours and ACC. If you want to park longer terms and fear the worst, just look for the OBD plug and click the switch to ACC. That one will supposedly cut OBD power whenever you switch off car engine.

That is unless you park another car with 24 parking mode recording in front of the car with punctured tyres.

Sleep lar.....that is the only one that saved battery. It won't record until there is a collision and strong vibration depending on your setting on parking mode sensitivity.

Time lapse save storage space but still record while normal records 24 hours until it reach your preset battery cut-off setting (I set that as 12.4V as car generally require 12V to start normally).

The sleep mode weakness is you don't get to record your surrounding happening (if something happen to cars or area in front or rear of your car, as can be seen in movies, always police look for car dashcam in area of crime to see if they recorded the crime scenes area). That won't happened. The recording is more towards accident/collision directly on your car while the other 2 modes 24 hours recording modes can act as car security camera.

Also sleep mode means they won't record the time BEFORE the collision. It is a weakness if you want to know how the collision happen. 24 hours recording will be better BUT my battery tak boleh tahan...so I just put on sleep mode, at least got record after collision better than nothing.

You sure Viofo is "budget" capacitor dashcam?

I think DDPAI is more "budget" capacitor dashcam lor...

I think most if not all DDPAI uses capacitor.

I myself are using Z50 GPS with OBD hardwire. About RM800++ front and rear plus installation with OBD hardwire. Might be cheaper if get hardware separately but have to include installation cost too if you want to calculate total cost.

Best thing about DDPA Z50 is you can set battery detection to 12.4V before cut-off dashcam power to avoid issue with car starting. Usually car require 12V to start properly. Many other dashcam might just let it fell to 12V or below before cut-off. That is risky and at borderline especially if you are leaving the car in storage for a week or so.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 13 2024, 11:40 AM

I tot you asking "budget" capacitor dashcam.

The z50 2k-4k quality and adequate night vision already consider pretty top range for budget price dashcam. A229 is over 1K excluding installation. That one not consider budget liao.

I figure your budget and my budget is really not the same coz my budget coming up to 800 is consider expensive liao...hehe. Most just go for 400 range dashcam under budget range.

Of course no battery draining lar when you switched off parking mode monitoring. Since you new car, in order to avoid any possible future warranty risk, no need hardwire. I also worry on warranty void issue no matter how unlikely it is since it affect electrical system and nowadays most cars are packed with electronics, the manufacturer reserved the right to void.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 13 2024, 02:33 PM

What you mean by is it suitable? All models also suitable depending on your budget and preference.

If you mean hardwire OBD2, install only you will know got issue or not. Likely no issue as your model is not the latest with more installed tech or ADAS.

OBD normally no issue but no one can garantee. Install only know.
I have 2 older cars 2006 City and 2011 persona using Z50 OBD2 hardwire installed earlier this year. No issue at all.

I have a question tho for those using fusekit hardwire.
My OBD2 Z50 can detect the level of power of car battery and since I set cutoff at 12.4V, it will cutoff power to dashcam below this level in parking mode to protect the battery,

Does fuse hardwire also have this feature or the setting level of cutoff can only be done using OBD2 to scan the battery power?

This post has been edited by Cavino: Sep 2 2024, 08:01 PM

Technically any hardwire INCLUDING OBD are at risk of voiding warranty. OBD also have risk of accessing car diagnostic system, so maybe even more warranty can be voided if car manufacturer wanted to play hardball if the installation are reported during any related warranty claim.

They will say, just remove OBD when claiming warranty but will you remove the cables and dashcam every time you go SC for warranty?

This post has been edited by Cavino: Nov 20 2024, 10:34 AM

The problem is most dashcam are 2 channels (front and rear cams), so you have to buy another dashcam just for interior. Alternatively DDPAI just launch the Z60 range that are capable of 3 channels, front, rear and interior. It can be install only for 2 channels but the built in 3 channels capability means you can add interior cam later on if you wanted to.

To avoid any possible warranty issue with stringent warranty claim process nowadays especially with H brand, you either go for Honda original dashcam or 12V plugs, no choice.

However I have not heard of any warranty issue due to 3rd party dashcam installation tho. Just the clause are there.

I have not heard of any warranty issue about 3rd party tinting void warranty also...UNTIL recently when H brand void windows motor warranty AND another one voiding the windows weather strips due to 3rd party tints. So H brand are getting very stringent on warranty claim (IMO, also due to their lowered build quality and parts nowadays vs decades ago).

Actually for a fire and forget dashcam, the original dashcam are performing OK in Full HD quality. It's just that when compared with recent 3rd party dashcam with tons of features, 4K quality, enhanced night vision, additonal ADAS feature, full featured parking modes, they just looks like decade old dashcam sold with almost double the price of those premium and yet inexpensive dashcam....

Haha..I still installed original tho to keep the any warranty issue out...except for 3rd party tint where I was willing to risk voiding the door-based warranty if anything was to go wrong. Electrical and electronic warranty voiding due to dashcam are to general and can possibly affect very expensive systems or items, so I no take risk on that.

Also for parking mode 4G remote monitoring, what is the point if the car battery cannot tahan. Even when I switch the DDPAI z50 parking mode to sleep (only reactive during emergency), both my cars shut down these dashcam occasionally due to battery get lower than 12.4V that I set as minimum to prevent car from engine start issue.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Nov 27 2024, 08:29 AM

There are lots of fake out there especially Sandisk. Kena few times liao, very difficult to identify the fakes.

The only way to be sure is to buy them from trusted store where they are actual well known dealer for Sandisk (both online or actual store).

As long as you use plug and plug, no issue with warranty coz the 12V plug has its own fuse. Anything blows, just replace the fuse. IT IS meant for 3rd party connection within limits (meaning not hard drain usage aka.....using iron via 12V...haha).

So as long as you don't touch the wiring or OBD, and just use 12V plug, no issue with warranty.

Bro, dashcam also record emergency recording (like slam car too hard), and will keep it there PERMANENTLY until you erase it manually. It will takes up space and adds up those recordings overtime, it will be full. So please do format your dashcam a few month once UNLESS you use high capacity sd card (assuming your cam can take those size).

Er.... will that be me...hahaha...Maybe...hehehe..I have argue such cases before (I am a proponent of not voiding warranty due to no guts to try...hahaha). But no way for cases of dashcam coz I have not heard of any...Only 1 case of Perodua car got problem with car system due to 3rd party dashcam OBD....but that one SC no void, just ask take out..

Yes, I have read direct experience (fresh post then) from FB group Civic group then when they take pics and complained honda voiding windows motor, even bloody external windows weather strips due to 3rd party tint.

What cutting wire means...

Coz even hardwire dashcam also in reality no cut wire. They just connect into the fusebox...

The problem is when you touch the fusebox....those connected wires all over the cars. Honda can claim you touch the fusebox, it can short others, while installation kena other wires causing all sorts of problem. Even if it does not cause any problem, that warranty such electrical (that can involved many other systems) CAN be voided (the warranty manual indicated so already) if they insist on it and they have the full legal right to it but so far in reality have not heard of any cases.

But since Honda nowadays have voided EVEN windows external weather strip defect due to existence of 3rd party tints, they have high chances of voiding electrical warranty or even connected systems if you touch the fusebox for hardwire.....cut or not cut wire. Now whether the SC listed that during any related warranty claim, that will be the key to voiding or not coz the moment they list that in the system in RELATED warranty claim....high risk there...

Many still go for it but I installed the bloody expensive basic featured HD quality (vs 3rd party FHD) dashcam to avoid warranty issue. Electrical warranty voiding if is too broad category involving many car systems...don't dare risk.

Now Windows tint, I take risk.....at most void and pay for windows motor if ever get anything voided. I can still afford that if it ever goes that way.

Thats Honda for you nowadays. Their warranty claims shoots up a lot along their sales and the gradually degrading built quality (vs decade ago). So very stringent warranty audit on Honda SC. So can't blame the SC, the risk of getting caught during any audit might not be worth it for the SC to hide the customer installation. Depends on SC tho...

So I am a proponent of not hardwiring dashcam to new car if you are one like me, that wants to avoid any warranty issues for the increasingly stringent SC due to built quality going down a lot, likely increasing possibilities of warranty claim in future. If want hardwire, use the official car manufacturer recommended one. Once warranty over, upgrade as needed. Of course that is for gutless ppl like me....too old and poor to take such risk...my heart not doing that well...haha

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jan 14 2025, 10:42 AM