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littlegamer
post Feb 23 2021, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 23 2021, 10:19 PM)
Trustee with ID verification should be in 3 days max so all in all a week your account to be set up
Not yet now only it is only called preview sale  rclxms.gif
Nah all shielded from from Tesla

If you invested in Wahed you gonna cry now at least 10% in the red
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Just wish I had some money sitting around to pump some. Kweb has been falling 10 %, is like back to January
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post Feb 23 2021, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 23 2021, 11:38 PM)
Anytime is a good time to invest only thing you need to look at the money term horizon and your risk appetite to determine what kind of investor you’re

There’s is no right or wrong only strategy that your thinking at which determine what kind investment you’re suitable at

Try baby step before going to major leagues
In fact it is falling to pre Xmas levels when the market was heating up

KWEB been heating up too much already showing 3 cycles of growth which I know a lot are even nervous buying options of KWEB hitting 115 by April which thankfully i didn’t buy in because of the technicals

If your money are still profitable in others why bother about KWEB because there is always room for you to make money anytime in any markets
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Didn't get to choose. Stashaway allocation is as is.

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post Feb 25 2021, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 25 2021, 09:30 AM)
1st time takes at least a week

After that will be smoother it will take 3 day so to reflect in your portfolio

The flow of transaction of buy is as follows

Deposit to Citibank under Pacific Trustee will take a day together with FX conversion
Once that’s is verified robo will calculate buy order and send the instructions the broker used to execute the buy order in Saxo which takes another or 2 depending on the market
Day 3  or 4 your portfolio will be shown together with the underlying assets and allocation

Unless you want fast go ahead open IBKR or TSG account used that to trade then
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May i know what is IBKR and TSG account is? How is it different from normal deposit in stashaway?
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post Feb 25 2021, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Feb 25 2021, 11:01 AM)
Those are DIY brokerage accounts to trade US stocks and etfs.

Can also consider Tiger Brokers.
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I see. I have looked around FSM, I seen same etf in SA can be found there as well.

Is FSM something like a Tiger Brokers?
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post Feb 25 2021, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Feb 25 2021, 11:17 AM)
Maybe? Just check the commissions and charges first.
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Thanks!
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post Mar 9 2021, 01:29 PM

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Kweb Lau Sai. Gonna pump in some to compensate the diarrhea
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post Mar 17 2021, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Mar 17 2021, 09:29 AM)
My total fees needed for 1 transaction, for conversion + brokerage fees is approx RM25. Lets say I really hand itchy and I start doing 1k DCA monthly with this route. ( 2.5% fee),
RM12k investment, annual fees is RM300?

Withdrawal is about 0.6% or so, lets say I withdraw 3k every month just for an example, so every month cost RM18 + ~RM8 withdrawal fee, lets call it RM25 too. RM300 on withdrawal.

(In a real scenario, its unlikely that I will still be depositing when I start withdrawing - and by the time I start withdrawing, there should be new fintech fee improvements)

So total expense on napkin math is RM600 a year for me. And this is being really generous because of high frequency very low volume DCA to a foreign brokerage.

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Stashaway fees: 0.2% to 0.8% (I'm dropping ETF fees since its same/lower on DIY, and conversion fee because its one time and I'm lazy)

At RM50,000 invested, your annual fees are (50000*0.8%) = RM400
At RM100,000 invested, your annual fees are (50000*0.8%)+(50000*0.7%) = RM750
At RM250,000 invested, your annual fees are (50000*0.8%)+(50000*0.7%)+(150000*0.6%) = RM1650
And if you treat SA like your EPF, to make 1mil/2mil then eat off it - it'd go up to RM4900 @ 1mil, RM6900 @ 2mil.

And these numbers are compounding VS flat comparing to DIY.

Most FIRE calculators will suggest that, at 4% withdrawal per year, on a 50/50 portfolio, on a 30 year horizon, that 1% means a drop of about 30% (100%->70%) success rate of the portfolio, if I remember correctly, and a drop of about 55% (100% -> 45%) success rate if it cost another 1%.

So while these number doesn't matter right now, if I stay invested for the next 3 decade, these numbers start to hurt a little, and will hurt more and more and more and it'll only get worst. So I hope you can see why I am tempted to research for a DIY solution. Earnings are not guaranteed, but fees are set in stone.

On the flip side, if SA is returning 20% and DIY is returning 10% then all of these goes out the window, which is a valid point that zstan has brought up.

Please correct if any of my numbers are off! Very napkin math that I typed out during my tea break.
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This should be pinned. Best analysis comparing diy and SA.


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post Apr 15 2021, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 15 2021, 10:51 AM)
Why not 7 figures because 0.2% management fee a year?
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Me. Tbh I deposit over the last year. The fluctuations isn't that bad. If suddenly crash like 30%, with me having no bullets left, I will be shit sacred none the less.

But that's part of the game plan. Im young without commitment, I can fully save back 100k in about 2.5 to 3 years in case I lose it all(which is highly unlikely)

I also have some in akrunow, I like their portfolio 10 with 55% voo and 35% msci eafe. The returns is better at akrunow, but their system got screwed up for the past 2 week and I hate their slow response time with bad transparency.

SA, gld and kweb hit new low thus my reduce return. Esp gld it had dropper consistently since last year.
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post Apr 15 2021, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 15 2021, 11:12 AM)
You don’t forget 0.2% is nothing when you investing 7 figures and it’s cheP by comparison because any rise in 1% will offset the cost yearly

Which is why you should be at 30% more diversified rather concentrated 36% if you are worried about the crash but with your amount highly unlikely to be severed because you got to remember GLD is hedging for KWEB at the same percentage in 36% hence GLD temporary low because the attention to bitcoin to SLV which won’t be long the money is coming back to GLD
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I have equal distribution of 36 30 26 and 22% risk. I think should be quite safe. To get 0.2%fee need deposit 1m above I think and the rate is prorated
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post Apr 15 2021, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Apr 15 2021, 01:57 PM)
Prorated as in if I have 1,000,001, only the RM1 will be 0.2%? :confused:
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Correct. On second check, the increased the fee, used to be 1m above all 0.2% now 1 mil. Above is 0.3%, only 3mil above is 0.2%

. Many mistaken here if u put 1 million the total is 0.2 of your 1mil(rm 2k per year)
Is not
It should be
50k - > 400
50k to 100k - > 350.
100 to 250k - > 900
250 to 500k - > 1250
500k to 1 mil - > 2000

Total fee per annum pm for 1 mil rm4. 9k

Equivalent of 0.5% effective annual fee


My take if u got 1 mil lying around in stashaway, u must be very wealthy, to the point maybe stashaway is just 1 of many portfolio.

Is 0.5% fee cheap? I thibk is ok ok, some ppl insurance or unit trust charge more than 4.9k per year.

If u can use Vanguard in USA, those fee hover around 0.2 to 0. 3. Still this is if u really wanna entrust 1m to just 1 platform

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post Jun 23 2021, 11:39 PM

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I have quite a hefty now in SA... Tbh I'm not quite happy with their returns... I will leave it as it is.

My future contributions will go to akrunow, their s&p 500 heavy profile really makes the growth predictable. My akrunow has half the contribution as SA, but my akrunow is almost matching SA despite halves the contributions


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post Jul 11 2021, 02:01 AM

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Sometimes I wonder all these reoptimization making the growth worse.

If I'm not wrong, is basically SA trying to sell some and buy some other etf according to their algo.

Isn't the first rule of long term investing is to hold long term and continue dca regardless?
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post Jul 11 2021, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Jul 11 2021, 01:33 PM)
No, there's another rule which is to monitor your holdings. Not blindly dump money in and hope for the best.

Remember that things change, economy and politics change, greats can fall and new ones rise in its wake. Back then people advocate for buying oil, tobacco companies for "long term". Now such companies are seen as lesser growth, although for the moment still stable, and now people will focus on technology and AI and ESG.

Being a smart investor/fund manager means yes, to an extent you must keep an eye on what's happening with your investments and why. Even for this case as consumers of SAMY, you should monitor the direction of SA and their approach to choosing ETFs, as well as their strength as a company in terms of longevity.
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I agree this to a certain extend. Samy my is barely few years, not even 5, the frequency of they keep changing portfolio where they advocate us to dca dosent it sound fishy?

They are something like the sp500 but the allocation is small. Everyone is talking about esg and ai. Are we sure we are not in to some hype.

Last time I know sp500 always reach new high. Shouldn't we allocate that portion more as that already kinda diversify? I had akrunow, the highest risk portfolio consist only etf,my contribution there is half of SA and but the earnings there are catching up to SA despite having shorter time to grow.

Which begs the questions. When they do the portfolio reoptimization, what they based on?
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post Jul 22 2021, 04:23 AM

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I'm not too confident on stashaway keep changing portfolios and reotptimizing.

To be frank the amount I put in here can consider huge. The percentage of gain average just about 5 to 6 %, this was throughoutast year January to this date. Which mean the high and low I also dca.

I do not understand since they said is an long term investment, why do they keep buy and sell?

I had akrunow there half the amount of stashaway, at the moment already exceeded earning at stashaway at half the time.

Also the real estate (housing in US), is at all time high, is allocating that much logical? Then a sudden shift to Australian etf.

I always thought is buy and hold, but SA keep doing all these buy sell buy sell,which is against the rule of long term investment.
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post Jul 22 2021, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ Jul 22 2021, 06:05 AM)
What do you mean keep buy and sell? They reoptimised like once maybe twice in a year. Is that too much for you?

Long term investment also needs periodic review to see if any adjustments are necessary.

Think it was mentioned before also, if someone is strongly opinionated in their investment strategies, then stashaway is not for them since it cant be manually controlled apart from the risk %.

That said tho, pretty interested to know why they chose australia for the reoptimisation.
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Once a year is really quite frequent. Investing in etf index fund should be set and forget. If every year they change the asset allocation how are we gonna see the long term growth.

Is not strong opinion, is just dosent seems like this is long term investing. Event asbn takes few years to see result. I just used SA for 1.5 years already repot 2 times.

Warren buffet says just dump in to sp500 is the easiest investment we can do, over 90% of hedge fund manager fail to beat that in the long run.

And here I puzzled how SA keep switching asset allocation, and why.
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post Jul 22 2021, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 22 2021, 10:39 AM)
then i would suggest you to ignore everything and just look at the MWR laugh.gif  no need bother about reoptimisation as long as you  profit
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Is been bad. 1.5 years at 6%. Where akrunow, is 12%. I started akrunow just November last year, SA since 2020 January.

Indeed SA is under performing. I'm not sure of there change % of kweb, it has gone to all time low, should SA double down on it?
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post Jul 22 2021, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 22 2021, 08:58 AM)
then switch over to Wahed. they never change their funds for years laugh.gif
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Using akrunow. Yea didn't change allocation since inception, I'm getting more returns than stashaway.

Try and tested method by Warren buffet.
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post Jul 22 2021, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 01:38 PM)
The last update lasted 14 months.

The alternative is open a brokerage account and go full on boglehead: buy VWRA and hold. That's as passive as investment can get.
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Not a very informative input. 14months isn't a long time.

I'm not here to bash SA decision, but asking the question why. Why those new allocation.

Although SA is set and forget, still have to know the reason behind it. I don't think answer like ' our AI and algorithm did their things''.

I'm not sure why everyone is so defensive of SA instead of being neutral just keeping them accountable.
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post Jul 22 2021, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(Msxxyy @ Jul 22 2021, 12:08 PM)
They are actually very smart about taking profit from US equities from their ATH. According to every cycle analysis US been in a inflational growth and very overvalue. I agree with their decision on US reits, emerging market and China equities.  I am comfortable with managed portfolio tat make rebalance based on changes in macroeconomy instead of sticking to one etf then i might as well dca myself. 
Perhaps you are the one who need to read more on the news, CPI, debts ratio, M3, 10 years treasury bond yields.
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Those are exactly what hedge fund trying to do. Time market and stock picking. That said, maybe they will release a new podcast explaining that new allocation.

Mind that my allocation is huge, close to 6 digit I did say, and I have never withdraw any amount. And having another competitor platform with half that allocation earns me same.

Raise anyone's eye if u are in similar circumstance. Anything I bought this year in SA is been a flat line, US etf bring up and kweb down. Can say all the earning I have it was the bull run last year(which is everything.

Now with just comparing this year SA vs my other portfolio, it has been a huge difference. Mindful that 6months is just way too short to draw a conclusion who is better.

Just laying down the statement here, no need to be defensive, everyone here just want to know more about what they getting into.
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post Jul 22 2021, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 02:57 PM)
You made up the AI part, Stashaway doesn't use AI.

They literally wrote a blog post and sent an email explaining why the switch, and you are here commenting as if they are making the move without explaining.
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Regardless, whatever that performs wins my allocation. At this moment stashaway is doing opposite of that.

ROBO advisor no AI? Or at least based some algo?

If u are going to just lick off stashaway's boot, I may ignore u now as there isn't any informative input.

If we on the same boat, have a look of your past 6 months deposit, and how much they generate.( to be fair 6 month is too short for discussions). I merely asking why the constant re opt?


I was silly to expect an decent discussion, feels like a cult here. To think that SA is all right is a bit of a tall order, I have my reserve.

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