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littlegamer
post Jul 22 2021, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 03:44 PM)
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Stashaway does not perform, it only generated 74% return few months ago. What a terrible return, dogecoin did way better.

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74% returns of this year deposit or total earnings since inception?

Don't mistaken what I meant.

If 74% from Jan to June, I must be blind.

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post Jul 22 2021, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Msxxyy @ Jul 22 2021, 03:47 PM)
I dont know what to conclude from ur statement other than having 6 digits allocation has little correlation with basic investment knowledge.
Well. Cheers. All the best abd haply investing.
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Basic knowledge says dca, and hold for long term. Only sells when the fundamentals has changed.


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post Jul 22 2021, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 03:47 PM)
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Stashaway assets dont perform, limited to 1 year time horizon.
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Go to 6 months. U do know that if u buy early says 2020 dip bull run June to December 2020, that whole part contributes the majority of earnings?

Just scope down this year and see. But anyway not going to debate u. What I see now is from January last year I dca until now my earning is about 6 7 %.



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post Jul 22 2021, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 03:52 PM)
It's stashaway's job to determine if fundamentals have changed. And according to CIO Freddie, things have changed.

It seems like you are probably a boglehead, maybe you should just buy VWRA and chill. (I also hold a lot of VWRA and VXUS)
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I'm going to ignore u for now. Just licking off SA boots, not benefiting me. Thanks for your input. Not sure if u get that much satisfaction giving half ass answer like your 74% earnings.

In a way my % gain will never catch up with you even I stick with the same plan as you, as u might started SA earlier ( dca regardless, I suppose that's what we both are doing).

For that I'm dca-ing 2 platform, only time can tell.

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post Jul 22 2021, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 03:55 PM)
You only invested for 6 months, you already got 6-7%... That's almost 12-15% p.a., way higher than S&P 500 average annual return.

I was using stashaway for 17 months and got -23% during 2018 trade war xmas crash.

BTW Stashaway being so diversified, it means that stashaway will almost NEVER outperform pure equity indices ETF like VTI, SPY etc. But stashaway just has less brutal drawdown when market goes red.
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I may have mis stated my statement, i say again. I deposited dca stashaway from last year Jan till now. During this year Jan I put same allocation else where.

Now when I view SA the MWR since first deposit is 6 to 7%( this gain is from last year bull run), not the additional amount I contributed this year. To be clear, means that last year December I'm earning is X, now I see back despite adding more money, I still earning X, the figure is same with some daily fluctuations.

Where my other portfolio gets me 10%.


Then here comes my question, are the reopt justifiable? When kweb dropping and now reopt ( re opt means sell some allocation and buy other allocation, correct me if I'm wrong).

Again I'm not trying to say SA is wrong, nor because I earn that 10% over 6 months then I'm expert investor,i don't mean any of that Just want to know, how effective are these re opt, compare to me just buying high allocation sp500.

Warren buffet and Charlie says just buy sp500 ( just quoting them, not trying to ridicule SA reopt), how does Warren advice vs re opt in comparison. Thats all I need to know.


In addition to that, I think we shouldn't look at the MWR over '' since first deposit '', some oldies here started since inception, their MWR will triumph anyone that just started (duh), to look at a fair stage, should compare year to year.

I hope I have set the correct debate ground. I rmb vaguely someone here posted something regarding SA might not outperform sp500, but will have lesser fluctuations, don't quote me on this, is from my faint memory.


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post Jul 22 2021, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Msxxyy @ Jul 22 2021, 03:47 PM)
I dont know what to conclude from ur statement other than having 6 digits allocation has little correlation with basic investment knowledge.
Well. Cheers. All the best abd haply investing.
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Just in case u didn't realize, I'm doing the same thing what everyone here is doing dca regardless, consistently

I'm not sure what's my level of knowledge is but certainly not far off from everyone.

The only thing difference is I'm asking a question. And there goes your low key insulting ppl's '' knowledge ''
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post Jul 22 2021, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 04:21 PM)
I have been using Stashaway since 2017Q3, my core portfolio has been through 3 reoptimisations, they have been doing stellar quarters following the reopts.

I will stick to stashaway for my defensive portfolio, while I use vanguard ETFs for very long term portfolio to save management fees.
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Now we are moving somewhere.

Your defensive strategy does it mean u like lesser fluctuations?

Are u in SG? Was it easier to invest in Vanguard?
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post Jul 22 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 22 2021, 04:49 PM)
if want to buy and forget,...historically S&P 500 has a better chance....this better chances also has to be dependent of when you buy it and for how long before you EXIT....

i think your "experience" is similar to another forummer had expressed just 2 months ago. He has 2 SAMY port (both Old and new)
he compared a before May 2020 SAMY port (heavier in S&P) with another SAMY port that are reoptimizes in May 2020, which was more diversified
his "OLD" port performed better, this few months back

my take is,
SAMY is not a buy and hold investment style platform ....for they are charging mgmt fees.
there is a different between buy and hold investment style between investor like us and the management of the investment platform like SAMY.
we investor buy and hold in SAMY for we think that SAMY will "NOT" buy and hold without changing its composition
if i wanted a buy and hold for long term non active investment port,...i would not go for SAMY....why pay them annually for doing nothing

same goes for FSM management portfolio....we buy it for know they will manage it for us and we paid them for it....
same goes for any unit trust funds too.....we buy them knowing that the fund managers will get "good" stocks for us

while we let them manage it for us,....the decision of where and how to allocate it is their prerogative...

if after some time,...if we feel that it is NOT performing as expected.....we EXIT

same as employing a staff to help us in our business.....if he cannot perform,...get him fired.

YES,....the fact is true if comparing the last 10 months....i think S&P500 has performed much BETTER than any platform that has KWEB & GOLD in it.

YES too on this " someone here posted something regarding SA might not outperform sp500, but will have lesser fluctuations,"...for the composition in it is different....., BUT again,.....depending on when that data are being made and till when will that data stopped....example, those that got into S&P500 6 months before the DOTCOM burst or Sub-prime crisis starts, would have said...."damn...should not have placed all my eggs into this S&P500" during his review 3 years later
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Thanks this is good information. Now that you mention, comparing old and new SA port.
Maybe is a good way to not auto reoptimize. But create a new portfolio and deposit there onwards. I think Samy does not allow re opt some and leave some not re opt.
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post Jul 22 2021, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 22 2021, 04:33 PM)
if you have deposited since january 2020 then you also likely experienced negative returns in March 2020 which have now bounced back to 6 to 7%. if you clam to have six figures investments i am wondering how did you dca..?
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Few k a month? Is been 19 months since then. Jan to March has some drop. Then August or something last year gld drop by alot, this year, kweb drop alot.

If that makes sense.
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post Jul 22 2021, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 05:11 PM)
Weeks ago they disabled it and made everyone move to new portfolios. Trading for the minority staying on old portfolios makes it inefficient for them.

Also we pay them fees to figure out whats best for us, so in their opinion old portfolios no longer work well, and we should either follow them, or quit stashaway n DIY.
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I see.

Then partially I do not agree SA approach. When I can't make a decision should I should keep old portfolio. Still, that dosent mean they are doing it simply. If that's the case I keeping both, my SA and akrunow.

Is all in the game of diversification.


To be fair if wasn't kweb, I think SA bull like mad this year, but as all investment, if everyone knows future, there won't be speculation.

Since SA has considerably wide diversification, where akrunow.com have rather specific etf, in case akrunow side go south, SA portfolio will balance it out ( seeing from a POV all my money invested)


General rule of thumb, etf should grow overtime, the amounts of gains are always in debate. I feel in all ways we are winning just by how much.
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post Jul 22 2021, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 22 2021, 05:18 PM)
think nobody could foresee the KWEB crash and Jack Ma opening his big mouth.
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I think this falls under '' risk of investment '' , have to expect these kind of drop.

I would have double down on portfolio with most kweb if they don't reoptimize..

China did that crack down, but I see the fundamentals of tech are unchanged, this crash could be momentarily.

That's why I was kinda disagree SA move to re opt, why sell when things are in the cheap ( I think re opt sell some to buy other etf, correct me if I'm wrong)

By all means I might be the fool here coming back to quote myself, glad SA rebalance my portfolio in the future. But for that we have to wait and see.

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post Jul 22 2021, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jul 22 2021, 04:37 PM)
Defensive... yeah, and diversified, managed by professionals.

I used to live in SG but now in KL. If you wanna buy ETFs directly check out Ziet Invest youtube channel on https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-h5sZ-O_4KbdzPy6hxYd9g

1. Open CIMB Singapore account
2. Open Interactive Brokers, or Prosperus, Moomoo etc

I consider Ziet the best finfluencer in Msia right now. He doesn't shill for any particular services at the moment, more honest than Jason Leong, Suraya Ringgit oh ringgit, KC Lau actually.
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Thanks, this will be very helpful. Will take a look into it
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post Jul 27 2021, 11:52 PM

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Gonna top up seeing that kweb.
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post Aug 5 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Aug 4 2021, 04:07 PM)
Ironically, the ideal use case for stashaway is for those who do not want to study investing.

EPF/ASNB has currency risk. MYR depreciates you entire net worth tanks. Stashaway can mitigate that.
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Got to agree to this.

Initially I started SA for this reason. Myr is dropping by the year. International etf pegged to usd at least another safety net. Unless myr decided to appreciate (judging by Malaysian politic turmoil, is highly unlikely)

In fact alll the losses is in usd, but myr remain no loss to due to its depreciation.

That said, still need to be careful of what SA allocation. Especially for Kweb. YES, everyone says buy the dip, kweb almost 50%, still don't go all in, allocate some to other platform or etf.


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post Aug 7 2021, 08:44 PM

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Kweb and gold has been hitting real hard. By luck or by bad luck, my akrunow officially double my earnings in SA.

I'm starting to think if, US stocks are really invulnerable to forever growth.


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post Aug 7 2021, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 7 2021, 09:21 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif
if only if the timing was right...
bought S&P500 index on June 1982 thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
else, if bad bad luck, can have many chances of 30 yrs without seeing much  bangwall.gif
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I actually was kinda ok with SA, but the thing is, we just had a burst last year, which was the time I dump huge amount from June to december.

By right after a burst should have crazy rally, now my paper is gain is same as putting in FD for 1 year. Which is kinda a bummer.

That's why on previous post I ask whether is a good idea SA keep rebalancing and re opt the portfolio is it making sense.

That's why I felt SA is not really a passive investment, we still wholly need to trust their managing skill.
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post Aug 8 2021, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 7 2021, 09:46 PM)
what worry me most is,....if S&P500 were to burst and fall too quick for me to react,...will i be able to wait for 30 yrs for it to recovers  sweat.gif  vmad.gif
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In the history sp500 has never fails to recover from dip. And sp500 is already a diversity index fund.

And I don't get it why we have almost 0 allocation of this fund or anything similar.
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post Aug 8 2021, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Aug 7 2021, 09:54 PM)
I see so many SA bashers here.

Is there something I'm not getting?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, thats dca over 3 years, though the portfolio always on the + side, the yield aren't that great.


We have to take note that last year we had a burst, the growth should be more.

And the lesser yield is directly correspond to re opt SA did
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post Aug 8 2021, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Aug 7 2021, 10:01 PM)
That's what people said about Japanese stocks and real estates in the 1980s.

Japan is special, a small plot in Tokyo is valued more than entire Manhattan, no problem.

And then it goes into 30 years decline.

When people start having that shock and disbelief, we are in mania phase, its dangerous. That's why Stashaway diversifies aggressively because we don't know how things will be.

I am more concerned about other robo advisors that don't update their portfolios because they lack confident in finding what is the right thing to do.

Stashaway updates are similar to lynalden.com.
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I have the opposite opinion of yours. Previously we discuss before, passive investment means dca and let it go over time, SA rebalancing has been reducing yield. You have started invested early, thus ofc your earnings has not affected greatly (or in your acceptable range)


I think many here started post 2020 March, where a burst follow by a boom should give us lots more yield. Right now SA is giving yield roughly the from 5 to 8%,is okish but not good, again consider because of the burst at 2020 March.

Right now, depends on anyone's risk % profile, a lot has been given to kweb and gold. Gold drop since last year July, kweb continues to drop (I'm ok with this), just that in a overall view, SA returns isn't that great, due to rebalancing.

Is been proven time and time again that is hard to predict the market, and SA has been offering alot of insight that they deem is right to re opt. Which kinda go against what they say, stay invested and dca.

Again, you might say, well why not just buy any fund that is more passive? When I say passive I don't just mean stay invested to not eroded by inflation, I mean to invest the right etf, if the fundamentals stays the same then keep dca. Which why I do not withdraw now due to kweb, because the fundamentals of China tech remain the same now.

Though this might be a bit personal, I don't find it very insightful u go defensive whenever anyone here pointed out negative about SA. We shouldnt just worship SA, though we don't have the control to SA what we exactly want, we still need to consider what they do to our money.


Often the discussion always goes by, '' hey I got more yields that u in SA, u don't believe SA, don't invest '' but everyone here uses SA has mix result, which makes everyone experience equal,thus there are comparison thrown here among other robo advisor.



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post Aug 8 2021, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 8 2021, 12:44 AM)
maybe SA knows that there are already a few "robo" fintech investment platform in malaysia/spore offering True S&P500 etfs or S&P500 heavy portfolio, thus they did not want to get into a crowded field

judging from the SA website,...i think they emphasize on Risk management rather than about returns....

yes, that is very true "In the history sp500 has never fails to recover from dip",...just that some maybe too old to wait for it to recovers  devil.gif
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The biggest burst was 2009, it recovers after 5 years I think. In a investment term, 5 years is not a long time.

I agree, I really think SA is a risk management investment rather than growth. That's why they always put the risk factor rather than showing us in clear what asset and % we buy.

And I think the way I look at SA should change as well, it manages our risk, not growth.

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