hello guys, just wanna ask u guys regarding the maintenance of both cc. some ppl said that 250cc maintenance cost almost same or same as the 600cc bike. idk whether its true or not. im noobies here. been eyeing on the cb250r for a long time. i dont want to regret later after bought it

2 liter engine oil, 2 or 4 spark plug, chain lubricain, coolant, air filter, brakedisk padx2set, valve clearence(the most expensive service), Maybe rm200-250 per one time service for every 3k mileage.. Other gg, not remember anymore...

Same for maintenance..but for roadtax and insurance.....high enough

p/s tires also diff size so please take note

ohh ya i forgot bout the insurance n tyre size. sorry for opening up a silly topic. peace yo

It's ok. Not a silly topic. Good to know and share the info as not everyone here is a seasoned rider

It's not just cc

Category

Oil service will be the biggest difference.

Tyres, chain and sprocket also makes a big difference.

600 CC sprocket / chain is like RM 500 ( depends on chain type )

Tyres is like RM 1000 for a set.

usually for the 250cc tyre size 150 around how much average? my friend whos using 250cc bike bought 150tyre size for 500 per pieces. the brand is batlax if not mistaken. maybe he go for the perfomance

Depends on the tyres. SuperCorsa 123 is around RM 350 + ( if not mistaken for the rear ). So if budget properly you can get decent tyres around RM500 + a pair.

Yes, tyres depends on your usage and expectations. You wan performance, then pay more.

cant really compare CC to check on maintenance cost...

in terms of normal service, main difference is the amount of engine oil. typically, more pistons, more engine oil.

the CB250R is a single piston which means itll use lesser oil than a 2 piston 250cc bike like the R25 or Ninja 250.

just like the ER6n which is a 2 piston will use less oil than a 4 piston XJ6

cost will also depend on the price of oil u use (sold in 1L bottles). spark plug also depends on number of pistons.

other than that, theres the oil filter cost... diff bikes has diff pricing for their oil filters. major maintenance is valve clearance every 40k km.

then theres the wear and tear stuff....

tires - if u dont need super duper knee and elbow dragging corner performance, u can get a set of 110 and 150 tires (front and rear set) for below RM450 such as the Corsa S123 and Metzeler Sportec Street. both are decent tires and i prefer the Corsa for wet roads. both lasts a decent amount of distance too. 600cc typically uses 120/160 combo...some even 180 i think.

chain and sprocket - can get a set below RM400 for a 250cc.... 600cc i think gonna be around 5xx. typically lasts about 20k km depending on how u maintain it.

and of course insurance and road tax will have quite a big gap.

Some bikes really need the exact manufacture spare parts. eg Ducati. They must be Ducati's own sprockets and such. Well talk about Ducati, they have Desmo that will cost differently compare to other bikes around.

Likewise Kawasaki & Yamaha, there are tonnes other 3rd party manufacture for parts, both for looks (read: ah beng) or performance/wear & tear specific replacements.

Depends on 600cc. If ure comparing 2 pistons 250cc to 4 pistons 600cc of course there’s a major difference.

since its 250cc vs 600cc

can u share on petrol usage.. 14l z250 i get 300km on it

I'm using CB500x. i can go up around 350KM for 12L

Wow... for Z900, I roughly get 220 km - 240 km for 13.5+- L

Btw, to TS, have you ever rode a sports bike before? 250cc vs 600cc is totally different in terms of handling and power delivery. 600cc if not handled properly, is a widow maker (actually, any bike pun) .

This post has been edited by Cyphereza: Feb 15 2019, 09:03 AM

wah... ur on constant eco mode ka?

my old z250 full tank gets about 250km on normal day to day ride...in and out of eco mode with occasional spirited riding (aka late for work)

current z900 gets about 220-240km per tank on same riding style

never ride before but just testing my bro r6. pusing taman only. ride kapcai only all this time. so i think 250cc suits me for the maintenance cost. soooo i choose u cb250r

Maintenance on CBR250R is cheaper compare to Ninja since single cylinder engine.

Haha um 90% eco mode la. Newbie so speed like kapcai whilst cruising je hahaa

Oh my 300km -330km is on bhp.

Petronas 250km je 😑

My advise....if you have concern about the cost of maintenance, that means you are not there yet to ride a big bike. Don't let this drag you down in future. Just stick to 250 the most.

Your hard earned money can be spent else where more useful.

Yeah im just going to buy the CB 250r. Big bike isnt for me. Im small n lightweight. Most big bikes are too heavy and tall for me. So sad but its fate.

I'm not that tall....and I'm not heavy.
I still have to tip toe when I'm on two feet while on the bike.

You can get one when you are ready.

Cb250r is a fun bike too.

Comparing my old Ninja 250r and current er6n, the regular oil change servicing cost is about the same.

250r road tax was rm50 and er6n is rm250

Insurance and tyres both cost a lot more too.

Yup agree.. i experience from single to 4 inline..
Most different is on ins or tyre..once u touch 250 and above ..get ready for it

The only way to save is find and change ur own spare part..but u hv to get really technical when u ar into it

If twin cylinder not much difference. Main difference only roadtax & insurance. If compare 250cc twin cylinder & 600cc 4 cylinder then it's different story.

Btw forget CBR250R. Get a twin cylinder bike like Ninja 300.

This post has been edited by RalphRatedR: Feb 20 2019, 06:25 PM

Periodic maintenance - Engine oil and oil filter - almost the same. For example 2.7 litre every 10,000km for my Rebel 500.

Chain, tyres, not much different too.

Long term maintenance differs. 2 cylinder, 4 cylinders, valve clearance, spark plugs, etc.

And forget about single cylinder (cb250r).

why single cylinder bad? I thought maintenance will be a bit cheaper right?

cheaper maintenance yes.... but riding experience a lil diff... single cylinder will have more vibrations.

If you are not particular about the ride, etc etc...as long as the bike can commute you , it should be fine.

My experience with CB500F:
2.5-2.7 liter Oil ~ RM200 every 5k
O-ring chain sprocket ~ RM400 every 40k
Bridgestone T31 wheels ~ RM1200 every 30k

Interesting, didn't know the CB500F used that much engine oil. 2.7 liters is the same as the new CB650R and CBR650R I believe.

My Versys just done 3rd service, average around RM150 for normal oil change at every 5k km

This post has been edited by hong3831: Sep 4 2019, 04:56 PM

Maintenance wise is fairly cheap but you will need to sacrifice on comfort comparing to inline4 which has less vibration. Some bike the vibration is so intense that it can actually crack your fuel tank.

Similar cost with my Rebel 500 (same engine as CB500F)

Just to add oil filter - RM30-50 (price varies depending where you buy it)

As for engine oil, 3 1L bottle - RM35 x 3 Repsol Fully synthetic 10W-30 every 5000km too. I got myself cheap fully synthetic Repsol direct from Repsol HQ in Shah Alam. Confirm 100% original

Hi,
Plan to buy CB650R or rebel 500? Any comment? Thanks by

both good bikes

2 very different bike, if not mistaken 4cylinder vs 2 cylinder, sport vs casual. if just spec i think CB650R is better. if u r in sportbike type of person.

Riding position also different,

Sporty naked bike vs a Cruiser

depends on what do you want to do with the bike?

True and +1

my experience with 250cc Sportsbike 2 pistons)

eo- using amsoil 2 bottles+oil filter = rm180

spark plugs - ngk (the normal ones) - roughly around rm35+labor

rad flush+coolant - rm120 roughly... cant remember

chain+sprocket RK - rm350 with labor

tires - Depends but used pirelli angel ct for the rear - rm250
front tire - metzeller sportec street - rm 149 with labor


fuel consumption - full tank shell ron 97 - 250km+- (depending how i ride it)


my current bike 600cc (sportsbike 4inline)

eo - using belray 4 bottles (3.6l to be exact)+ oil filter = rm250+-

Spark plugs - NGK - rm230++ (for 4+ labor)

rad flush+ coolant - rm90 flush and coolant using toyota coolant (red)+ distilled water around rm35+- plus labor (later i add on since that thing needs a freaking dose of burping the system. i poured about 1.5 liters more+toyota coolant for my satisfaction)

tires - rear - rm700++ for a shinko apex 190 65 17
front - continental sports attack 110 70 17 - rm300

other misc things - burned rectifier - rm450
ecu change - rm700
heat reflective - rm100

fuel consumption - 17l of ron 97 can go for like 250km+- (depending the way i ride)

things need to be done - cct - RM????
valve clearance - RM????
chain and sprocket - RM???

so this is what i spend for both of my bike.

This post has been edited by g3n0c|d3: Jul 7 2020, 06:13 PM

For those who have/had kawa er6n or versys 650, what's the service interval from the owner's manual, is it 5000km or 10000km? Also been curious on how much was the cost for road tax for 250cc and the 650cc.

How long does a fresh set of tires can last, if not riding aggresively (since 650cc already had nice torques)

This post has been edited by terradrive: Jul 10 2020, 07:26 AM

if using fully synthetic eo, 5k km usually. if semi around 3k km, if mineral 1.5k km. that is my rule of thumb when changing eo for bikes regardless of what bike u use. this is based on the riding styles too. if ure kindda aggressive with it maybe sooner than stated.

thou some eo manufacturer claims that their eo can go to 10k km (like amsoil) i wont push my luck too much.

This post has been edited by g3n0c|d3: Jul 10 2020, 10:34 AM

It depends on which brand of eo u use.. Every person will give different interval if u ask around.. If you're used to ur bike, u can probably know when need to service as you will feel some harshness during gear changing.. Then it is the limit.. I have tried -
1) Kawasaki fully, just 3k+ km already need to change.
2) Then one more time (I forgot the brand coz it's my second time service) semi-syn, 1k km I go change already.. Very bad quality oil.
3) Rockoil semi, 5k km still good but I changed it anyway..
4) Now I stick to liqui-molly semi and 5k km service interval (still good also, but I think 5k km is good enough so I change anyway)..

Regarding tires, I just changed my 3rd set -
1st set Metzeller M5 (soft compound) - Rear 8k km, Front 19k km.
2nd set Pirelli Angel ST (hard compound) - Rear 16k km, Front 5k km still got 90+% left (I changed this at 5k km to match my rear tyre)
3rd set Metzeller Roadtec 01 (hard compound) - Just changed rear and front, using now.

This post has been edited by ThE DaReDeViL: Jul 10 2020, 03:54 PM

I checked other country's er6n owner's manual and it was stated the service interval there is 12000km or yearly whichever comes first, more in line with the modern cars. And yes, the cheaper oil do feel harsh even before the service interval, the one I used long time ago that can go up to 4000km+ on my suzuki 150cc four stroke was silkolene Pro 4, and that's pretty pricey now. But if it can last at least 6 months or 7000-8000km for er6n it would be worth it. How much are those semi synt oils per bottle?

The tyre lifespan is pretty reasonable, better than kapcais.

This post has been edited by terradrive: Jul 10 2020, 06:13 PM

Yea saw on other post manual written 10k or 12k km, but I doubt anyone following it.. Mainly due to different quality of eo, so it's hard to follow exactly in the manual.. Even their own Kawasaki eo is not meant to last so long (but it's cheap anyway).. Liqui-molly I'm using is rm48/btl, needed 2btl.. BTW, I think should be OK to run it till 7k-8k km, just that I never tried stretch so far yet.. Will try to do someday.. Coz currently I still feel 5k is reasonable enough for me..

er6n only needs 2 botol oil? nice leh modern 2 cylinder bikes. I had a chance to use 400cc inline 4 for two months many years ago, and those old bikes needed 3 bottles.

I think numbers of cylinder plays role there? Coz as I know XJ6 also 3.4L despite slightly smaller cc.. That is one main consideration I put in besides the bike price before I decide to buy my er6.. Haha... Use it mainly for daily commuting replacing my car.. Ended up I'm enjoying my bike more than my car.. Since one year of owning this bike, my car just clocked in at 2k km... Wasted my fully eo.. haha

What grade EO you use? I am using 10W-50.
How's the Roadtec01 compared to the other 2? I'm happy with mine.

Are those your stock tire sizes?
I thought 120/70 and 180/55?

I'm using 15w-50 coz mainly is long distance.. The Roadtec 01 feels noticeable better than the Angel ST in wet condition.. As these few days keep raining, tested it a lot... Actually I changed my rear on Monday, yesterday only go change my front eventho still got 90+%...

I’m using Versys. My mileage is low, so I follow duration service everyway 6 months.
If mileage I think should be 5k km. still service mine with SC.

you wasted the Angel ST front tyre then? can sell seken hand tho...

eh depan 120 sorry... yes back i use 190.... since that's the stock they have. and it fits nicely too. shinko is a heavy tyre so performance drop la a bit but taking corners... it will do it like nobody's business lol...
but will go down to 180 on the next tire since its a tad heavy and no performance gain pon.... just look nice la from behind

This post has been edited by g3n0c|d3: Jul 11 2020, 11:24 PM

hopefully can meet up someday, and also try ur bike.

me using roadtec01 as well. first rear lasted 18k km...now using 2nd rear....front has around 22k km on it and still running.

just an FYI, metzeller has released the Roadtec 01 SE

not in MY yet... but hopefully it comes in the next 10k km of my bike

Yeah, I heard. SE more traction at lean.
18k on rear, wow. Mine at 5th thousand now.

18k km only? Told it was supposed to last longer... Anyway, this grip is good enough for me atm... Not really an aggressive rider...

18k km is impressive from what I read.

One blogger I followed, reported 11~12k km on his rear Roadtec, similar to his PR4. Another reason I choose it becoz it's cheaper than other brands here, but more expensive in other countries. Either we're getting it at a bargain, or other brands are over-priced.

Pressure wise, I put 32F/36R lately, but before this was 32F/42R. Lower pressure on the rear gave me noticeably more riding confidence, particularly at uneven corners. Some folks I ride with go as low as 28R.

My previous Angel ST lasted around 16k km with around 10% left... I was told Roasted 01 is way durable... Think I've been conned... Haha... But anyway, no regret... Just did a Cameron ride yesterday thru Sungai Koyan and it serve me sell... I try stick to recommended pressure @ 32f/36r... Tried go higher on rear last time @40 but it makes the tyre become squarish faster...

Eh, Angel ST is not dual compound leh. With that also lasted 16k km? Hopefully Roasted 01 will double that for you. Why you call it Roasted ah?
IMO Angel ST to Roadtec01 is one step up. The competitor for Roadtec01 is the Angel GT or Angel GT II. From an article I just saw, Pirelli owns Metzeler so are considered the same company? Now it feels even better to be running a set of Metzelers... haha

Phone auto correction haha... Ya I was actually asking for roadtec z8, but the seller say better use back Angel ST and save some $$ as Angel ST is slightly cheaper with near same performance... He said either take one step up to roadtec 01, or use back Angel ST... No point wasting money on z8... Still, most recommended is PR5 which is way out of my budget... Haha...

There are those that reported higher with the roadtecs...might be im riding more aggressive or something

Met a guy who got 26k km on the rear with his cb650f..n he carries pillion n full top n side boxes alot

Depends on ur riding conditions i guess

N the roadtec01 is supposed to be the replacement for z8

I see, I'd say Z8 and ST are the same level. Maybe jaga wallet a bit, next one use either one of these, whichever is cheaper or available. Next important thing is to make time for more rides.

From the place I purchase, ST and 01 price difference - f = rm50, r = rm150 only... Which I think if 01 can get greater mileage, then the price-mileage ratio will be the same.. Not to mention better grip on the 01... So 01 will definitely be my choice...

I personally wont bother with the angels.unless its the gt...but thats for different reasons hahaha

Aftee this 01 runs out i wanna give the t31 a try pulak...n after that the pr5...at least thats the plan

If 01se comes in...the plan may change heh

Good point.

later i post pic of my Roadtec01...

Please update on any dedicated/new topic ya... Would be very helpful... Those are on my list too... Btw, heard T31 had great mileage too, but after 50% don't feel nice... Don't know how true was that...

as for me wait my shinko botak 1st then change to conti sports attack

can share their wear pattern? what it looks like on the sides? how hard do you ride the bike?
asking becoz i wanna try shinko also, and interested to see how it wears under Malaysian weather.

im using shinko apex 010. all i can say is the grip when the road is hot is excellent. however i do occasionally feel its slipping... not the tyres' fault really, more towards the sand on the road. its sensitive in that way. not really good on wet condition. the carcass is hard and on the heavy side, so if ure the guy who loves taking corners but wont mind sacrificing a bit of the top end, this is for u. the tyre profile also u know already its design for cornering in mind.

Price wise... well here in malaysia its kindda on the expensive side. for the price u can get better brands really. i bought this dirt cheap and thats why i use it.

Yaya, Shinko Apex you mentioned... searched online for trackday review, found this guy saying those tyres gone before reach the TWI mark. Is that why you changing soon? Feels don't dare to use it yet.

Looks like after a while, once the oil in tyres can use up, it will quickly lose grip. Read that track tyres like can only tahan few rounds of warm up and cool down before losing performance. Guessing that's why got many second hand track tyres for cheap. Saw many of those tyres have biji2 bumps, which is an indication of over-heating.

Where do you go cornering? I follow frens every other weekend for cornering practice.

since i ride everywhere and everyday... so where ever got corners i corner la lol...

we shall see... a proper thought n review will need some time...mebbe mid next year kut lol

fren of a fren use T31 on Z9, slide and no confidence... YMMV

on a Z9? damn...im on Z9 too.

wat kinda rider is he? cornering kaki? touring kaki?

sliding in rain? or in corners?

The rider is experienced rider, superbikes, sports tourer, street sports. The Z9 belongs to his friend, stock setup, rode it up Cameron on a good day and that was his feedback. He wants to replace S22 with T31 as next tyre on his bike and re-assess. Not to brag, but as reference, his S22 no chicken strips, for real. So, maybe T31 isn't suitable for him.

then that kinda rider for sure the T31 not suitable for him.... completely different usage which is why they have different models of tires in the first place

for the same reason, he cannot afford his tyres... hence T31, before switching brands.

Anyone has experience with CBR150R? Im planning to get one for daily commute later on when office goes back to on site working. I'm riding from Puchong to Cyber so top speed is not a criteria. I ride around the 100-120kmph range mostly. My other considerations are MT-15 and GSX-S150. Mt-15 i have to tip toe a little bit with the seat height, worry about maintenance as well. GSX the look is kinda meh and no ABS at all is kinda sad but Suzuki maintenance should be better? Need some insight from sifus.