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abubin
post Mar 28 2022, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 27 2022, 09:04 PM)
I have a peculiar case. According to the owner everytime the battery is about to die or going to die, the headlight fuse will blow out. It has happened 4 times already since he owned the vehicle. All the 4 battery replacement needed 4 headlight fuse to be replaced.

I have done a few battery replacements and I have never even come across such a case. So what do you think might be the problem ?
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My guess would be the dying battery is causing idle surge. This is something of a phenomenon that actually does happen in some cars. It's the way to do with how car ecu is trying to compensate power regulation inaccurately from the dying battery. Details on how this is done, I don't know.
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post Apr 4 2022, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Apr 4 2022, 02:37 PM)
The moment the battery was weak, all sorts of warning light comes out and even the handbrake refuses to release ! Tried to jump start with my jumper cables from my Exora but failed. Lesson learn , must have really fat jumper cables.
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post Apr 6 2022, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 5 2022, 04:58 PM)
Once a Camry owner called and said that he had removed his battery and was wondering if he could bring that battery for me to recharge. I quickly ask him to fit back his battery. Thankfully for the residual power in the memory settings was in place, when I tested everything it was OK. If the residual power had diminished completely, the owner can call the tow truck to tow his Camry to Toyota Service Center for resetting services liao. 
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Worse I know when battery is out, the car electronics will be reset. But I do not believe any car will be until it cannot be started and need to be towed to SC. Any car you know that have such issue? I would like to study about it.

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post Apr 7 2022, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 6 2022, 04:55 PM)
That was a Camry that couldn't start and it was told to be by my mechanic, who later suffered a stroke. His client who had a Camry went to my mechanic and requested for his help on some works. Although my mechanic had specifically warned him about the dangers that his Camry couldn't start later after such works was done, his client persisted and insisted that my mechanic was under estimating himself. At the end, the Camry kena towed to Toyota SC. I dunno which generation Camry was it.

So when I received a call from a Camry owner who requested if I could recharge his battery, which he had taken it out, really gave me a shock because owners cannot simply meddle with modern car electronic systems. When I reached his house, I knew he was telling the truth because his Camry battery cover was on the floor while his battery was refitted back into the Camry. I warned the guy already while on the phone and when I reached his house, that his Camry may not start but he was very lucky, it started back up. He added, when I told him about the dangers of removing his battery like that, he rushed to refit his battery and had no time to fit the battery cover also.

His Camry model is the previous genaration from the current model. Sorry bro, the names of the generation I dont know. I remember seeing the word Hybrid at the back of his Camry too.

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Above is a picture of another client's Camry that looks just the guy's one who removed the battery. This in picture is not the hybrid unit because I didnt see the word at the back.
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Toyota Hybrid is very mature tech among all the other brands. The 12v battery are only used to start the electronics and does not need high CCA. That is why the factory AGM batteries can last up to 7 years. If taking out the battery can cause the car to be unable to start, there would already be lots of noise from users and mechanics. I have not read of such thing for Toyota Hybrid, Camry Hybrid nor other hybrids or even any ICE cars. So I will assume this is a myth until I get hard core evidence on this. I will try googling around on this cause it is something I would personally not accept if a car have such a thing. Also, the instances when this happen, there have to be an explanation on this which I think is probably due to the car itself already have issues.

Not saying that I don't believe you as anything is possible and I am still an infant in terms of car tech. Personally the longest time I have removed my car (Prius) is 3 days. Still starts without issue after I put in an old recharged battery.
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post Apr 7 2022, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Apr 6 2022, 07:36 PM)
I once helped my cousin who has a Honda City Hybrid, (the IMMD version in case anyone ask), helped him to jump start.
Basically it has a regular auxiliary battery just to start the engine and running the accessories.

But the Hybrid has another main battery which no simple mechanic can replace.

Therefore I would think the procedure to change the auxiliary battery is the same as any normal car.
But Toyota SC will say this is a special battery and they will charge a real arm and leg for it.
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If I remember correctly, the small battery is super capacitor and it is a part that is considered non-serviceable. Super capacitors should be able to last 10 years and yes it is super expensive. I think some of the hybrids that does not have 12v battery (like a Hyundai Ioniq) and you save cost don't need to worry about 12v battery.
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post Apr 20 2022, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 20 2022, 09:17 AM)
Cannot. Mazda 6 client bought a new EFB Varta battery and got that fitted into his Mazda, I tested that new battery and it is good but the charging performance FAILED. He went to the Mazda dealership, they conducted the same diagnostic tests and it showed the SAME TEST RESULTS but this time Mazda dealership said the charging performance is OK. Customer also sense something is not right and its either problem with the dealership or with me.

Ini masalah negara ni.

Haiyaa if only I had been to Mazda dealership that day, then I could ask them to explain, "How is it that the Charging Test shows No Output with load/without load and they can claim that it is OK ?"
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If not mistaken, Mazda newer car models have smart charging capability. The battery will not be charged when it is almost full. This is to maintain health of battery. Please double check this with Mazda tech or manual.
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post Apr 22 2022, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 22 2022, 09:58 AM)
The SOP is, vehicles with Stop-Start function only EFB Batteries are allowed, that's the bottomline. Anything less, it will be "No batteries for you."

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You can follow manufacturer's spec or can also use AGM batteries to replace EFB. AGM is more expensive and should last longer than EFB.

It is good to follow manufacturer's spec as it is the safe thing to do. Or if you want to deviate from it, make sure you know your stuffs.

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post May 11 2022, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 10 2022, 10:50 PM)
Same here bro., the worst has to be when they challenge the analyzer results, thinking that they know better.

That is why SOP are there for a reason, the moment we accede to their request, surely got problem later. Being strict will result in lesser sales but I dont have any warranty claims to deal with.

Now that I think about it, something doesn"t sound right with such type of clients. Normal clients would generally want me to run diagnostic testing to ensure that everything is in order. Why is it only for these special clients, they dont want me to test their cars ? Wanna to quietly swap batteries behind our backs ? Hmmmm .....

For the existing client with the failed alternator, it failed the System Test Charging No Output status and further enquiry revealed that a reconditioned alternator was fitted less than a year ago. Warranty recond alternator dah lama over dah.

This is a Co.'s panel van and bearing alphabets MCF. I dont know how old is this panel van. Another thing I noticed is the battery hold-down is missing. Either the staff did not put back hold-down or previous battery installer misplaced it. Without it, the battery will definately suffer, then battery reseller will get more recurring sales. Most likely I will need to contact the SC for a new hold-down, if my client cannot find it.

I always find items missing during battery replacements, screws, hold-down (Once a client mentioned that her mechanic told her that it was an useless item.), battery cover & battery tray. If battery can also go missing, i think it surely will.

Ini kerja semua orang gila punya. ~ Samy Vellu
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Usually it is the lack of knowledge or given wrong information on the USERS that these lazy battery sellers can get away with their bad practice.

Good job. Continue to educate users on your SOP and reasons to do those tests. Most users would appreciate the extra work. Only those who are ignorant as shit or know little wanna be master type will not want you to do that. Those clients no point to keep.



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post May 11 2022, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 11 2022, 03:23 PM)
Just returned from the SC Spare Part Div the quote for the battery clamp was Rm226.50 !!!! 😨 Please ensure whoever replacing your battery fit back the clamp. If the client wants cheaper battery clamps, they have to go to the chop shop for it but it will be a needle in a haystack. This is for a different client, tried finding an original battery clamp for a Toyota Harrier at those chop shop, until today still unlucky. The 2nd hand car dealer placed in a different clamp that is completely and utterly useless, as it cannot secure down the battery. If this Harrier were to meet an accident and the bonnet's metal came down on the exposed terminals or battery flew up and touch the underneath of metal bonnet, it will catch fire immediately. Gila sial. The only option for this client is to order the original battery clamp from Japan through the Toyota SC here.
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If the clamp is the standard type where it has two piece of rod on either side, you can look for something similar. If the rods are longer than the intended usage, cut it off and re-thread the cut off part. Shouldn't be hard to DIY if you have the proper tools.
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post May 17 2022, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 16 2022, 05:58 PM)
Nope, not the Vios that I am seeing coming out of the SC's, all here are fitted with NS40ZL + Adaptors or Shims. Not a single NS60LS.
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Does using adaptors cause any problems?

Does using NS60 on a NS40 car affect things like lifspan of the battery?

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post May 18 2022, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 18 2022, 12:06 PM)
Ok, I tried upgrading Alza battery from 40 -> 60 with heat shield properly wrapped. Previous record for 40 is 17 months 30k+ km. After upgrade the results is 20 months 36k+ KM.

I'll let u guys judge whether it's worth or not..
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Does this involve same brand battery for ns40 and ns60?
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post May 20 2022, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 20 2022, 02:56 PM)
KEMBARA & KANCIL GUY

I don't know what transpired between my mechanic and the potential client with the Kembara & Kancil, but my mechanic won't be touching this guy's car and I won't be supplying batteries to the potential client anytime soon because his charging system is in a mess. How does one bring someone in the darkness into the light, with regard to preventive maintenance ? I will have to slowly figure that one out. 😂😂😂😂😂 Maybe it's this guy kind a thing, living on the edge.
Just leave such customers alone. Not worth your time. Let him be other vendor's problem.

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post May 25 2022, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ May 25 2022, 11:08 AM)
I watched the video and the video is abit over dramatized for my liking.
The video is from AutoBuzz in conjuction with Bosch.
Fod goodness sake - Its only 12V (and lesser with a weaker battery), not 240Volts, of course wont be electrocuted la  laugh.gif

"can y'all detect how many things that should not have been done"
- The answer is : Why negative of the weak car, is connected directly to the battery?
Manufacturers recommend connecting to the ground body or engine, and not directly to the battery. Correct?
And why connect negative first then only positive  hmm.gif  - I prefer positive first then negative, reduce all those sparks and voltage surge, IMO.
Comments ? (About connecting directly to the negative post of the battery)

Second: Who in the world would take out a battery, flip it upside down and touch it directly?
Dont they realise if the battery size *and* the battery terminals are different side, it will not work. What more the battery is super heavy . Man...she's got all the strenght to carry the battery  laugh.gif
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Yes, the safer way is disconnect negative first and connect negative last. I kena once before trying to swap battery by leaving the car running. Then as I am tightening the positive, my wrench touched the battery holding bracket and caused huge spark. Scared me like crazy. Since that day, I realize swapping battery with car running is a stupid idea and is not worth the potential danger.

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post May 27 2022, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 27 2022, 03:53 PM)
AFTERMARKET ACCESSORIES

After the passing of a very good friend of mine, the children went to install an aftermarket accessories 10" infotainment unit into a Myvi. Terperanjat I see the 10" screen crap. As a result power consumption now has increased by 220% and needless to say the battery life span will be reduced accordingly.

So korang nak batteri tahan lama, janganlah pandai pandai letak 10" infotainment la, keep it stock yo ! But those nak pakai aftermarket accessories semua boleh, I terima kasih je la selalu tukar bateri. 😊
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yeah..these aftermarket android player is no power hog. It is not those massive sound system. It should not be draining that much power until can cause battery to fail prematurely. How do you measure it consume 220%? Teach lah...
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post Jun 1 2022, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Jun 1 2022, 04:24 PM)

About your second issue "STRANGE RULES"
Kalau tak mampu new car, dear SIL, jangan beli kereta doh.gif
From what I understand, if no salary slip, have to declare like self employed. Need few months bank statement. And depends on bank also, this is what I understand abit.

Aiya, go buy second hand car la. RM 3k-Rm 5K cukup la.
Bro, just focus on your battery adventures . Lagi fikir benda lain,lagi pening.
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I think not the SIL no income. It's no salary information. Lots of people doing "god knows what business" that they don't declare income and avoid paying incometax. Hence they cannot get loan from banks and so on. However, doesn't means they don't have money. So, maybe think twice when you want to avoid paying income tax. It will only bring other set of problems.
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post Jun 20 2022, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 18 2022, 08:37 AM)
RECONDITIONED ALTERNATOR

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A client of mine had problems with his earlier alternator and despite advicing him to buy a original unit, he went for a reconditioned unit because of its tempting low price.

Once a while his battery will be completely drained and I will have to help him out.

2 days ago, it was flat again. Charging Test indicated LOW 12.54V then. The following day thats yesterday Charging Test inidcated OK 14.14V. Both test result slips were given to the client after each test and he remembered.

ALJ ni ? Told the client his vehicle is definately grounded now from outstation trips, until his electrical charging system is sorted out.

I really despise recond alternators, because they are the ones always causing me problems unlike the original alternators. I also another idiot, never record down how many times his battery had been drained completely flat.

Question : Does anyone knows how many times can a good battery be subjected to abuse by reconditioned alternator before the abuse starts to affect the stability of a good battery ?
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Recon alternator is just part of parcel of fixing alternators. Same like people getting used cars with problems. Most importantly, owner need to aware what they are getting into by opting for a cheaper solutions.

As battery provider, checking of alternator should be part of what you do. Just like when users go to tyre shop to change new tyre. A good workshop will check the suspension system and notify users of any issues they found. It is up to owner to repair or not. This is part of providing VAS and responsibility for your product. Customers will acknowledge that will appreciate the extra effort. If you want, you can always work with a workshop that you know will provide good alternator service. Get some extra income by introducing customers to it. Even if you don't want to earn from there, always good to have references. Good ethics is far from being practice especially in the auto industry. Hope it can start from you and start raising the service standard of workshops.
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post Jun 23 2022, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 23 2022, 10:28 AM)
Correct bro., that is why I like only original stuff and teach my clients the same, not to simply replace their original alternator for a reconditioned unit no matter how long they have known or trusted their previous battery resellers. Wait let me see, if I had not deleted old messages. 😉

Maybe I should start include pre-qualifying questions to new potential customers, "Alternator masih ori atau dah tukar dan kalau dah tukar tu recon ke ori punya ?" 😂

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Unfortunately this client was too shy to demand back for his original alternator that had a problem. My good friend Cikgu Ali, luckily he listened earlier and took home his faulty original alternator. The current recond alternator charging is inefficient and it is a matter of time, he will sent his faulty original alternator to be repaired and reinstalled back.
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Usually the old alternator will be included in the replacement package. When you want to ask back from them, they will say they deducts RM50 (for eg) from the total value already. So if you want them back, you need to pay them the deducted fees. Where do you think they get all the "recond" alternators?
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post Jun 23 2022, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 23 2022, 10:54 AM)
Hi bro., for your new Saga was the stock battery a RAMCAR battery or a Camel battery ?
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The car is 2 years old. The RAMCAR battery served him 2 years...what do you think? hmm.gif
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post Jun 24 2022, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 24 2022, 01:48 PM)
The owners asked if I could change the terminal ? I adviced him not to do so, as that will lead to bigger issues in the long run.
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What sort of problems?

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