"Same as Taxi driver" phrasing was more of a semantic.

At the LHDN briefing yesterday for Grab drivers, it was made clear that LHDN doesn't recognize Grab drivers as companies. Grab drivers are individuals with business revenue.

So you cannot claim a lot of stuff that's allowed under Sdn Bhd (example: car loan repayments are not deductible for taxable income), and you cannot use Taxi rate at toll.

Also, your vehicle, as classified by JPJ, is private car that does e-hailing. Not a taxi.

Currently Grab doesn't allow companies to register as drivers too, only individuals.

If they allow it, there will be people starting a company that hires regular employee with sales commission fee structure, which I imagine to be similar to HG structure. Like, you join the company as employee with RM5 per hour basic to drive e-hailing for them using their car. Then you get a cut from each fare you take in using their account.

I’m very certain it won’t, because it’s still a private vehicle, albeit one with permit to do e-hailing.

I doubt taxi drivers follow the laws to the letter, but according to the law, their taxi can only be used for business. Meaning, driving their own taxi to restaurant to eat during off day is technically against the law.

But, private car that does e-hailing, is still a private car when there isn’t a ride happening.

Which means, if you only accepted two rides in year 2018 but try to deduct RM9k petrol as expenditure, LHDN will audit you you can’t lie about the revenue when audited because of Grab statements anyway.

So LHDN will only allow you to deduct the reasonable amount, for petrol for two trips accepted, as expenditure.

So I guess that’s the main difference between ehailing and taxi, and therefore no change on loan coverage/interest.

The LHDN part is just to illustrate the difference between commercial vehicle and private vehicle

But yes it’s not really relevant to what you are asking. Sorry about that.

I’m fairly certain don’t need bank consent, as you are not converting into commercial vehicle. It’s still a private vehicle, that has permit for e-hailing. It’s not owned by a company. You might still need to do the paperwork etc if car grant required, the way I understand it, banks don’t have incentive to stop you from doing e-hailing.

But don’t take my word for it, let’s wait for banking/car loan experts to shed some light on this topic.

I plan to buy new car just for the regulation bit too.

This post has been edited by Intimidated: Mar 28 2019, 09:45 AM

They are still trying to push for online courses, as oppose to attend classes offline.

JPJ say April 1 starts can apply, but I will wait for Grab’s final say/guideline on how to go about it.

I suppose those who are planning to drive for MyCar, Mula, etc, can start taking the JPJ ones, since I doubt they have any say in the matter.

Care to elaborate the laughing emoticons?

What I was trying say was,

Grab only allows individuals to sign up as driver

When cars still under bank loan sign up as driver, they don’t ask you to put “Maybank” or “RHB”. You just need to prove your car ownership/rights to drive the car, through car grant or insurance cover sheet.

When you buy a car, “Nama pemunya” is your name

Bank’s name appear under “hakmilik dituntut”

It’s your car, under bank’s loan. If you don’t pay your loan, the bank will tuntut milik.

It’s your car. You don’t need bank’s consent. But if JPJ requires car grant, and the car grant is sitting in bank, you have to file paperworks to get your car grant to do all these things.

You are also not transferring the car ownership from yourself to a company. Your car does not become a commercial car. It’s category according to JPJ is “persendirian ehailing”.

Think of it as car insurance with ehailing add-on. It’s not a commercial car insurance. It’s a private vehicle insurance, with ehailing add on, to protect you and your passenger during a trip.

This post has been edited by Intimidated: Mar 28 2019, 10:26 AM

-.- this is what I’ve been saying. You don’t need bank’s consent. You are not a company. Individuals cannot own commercial vehicles. LHDN don’t recognise Grab drivers as companies. Grab don’t allow companies to register as driver.

If physical grant is required you might need to file paperwork to get it from bank.

But you are right. I’m not an expert, and I did mention in my post earlier, let’s wait for banking expert and Grab.

This post has been edited by Intimidated: Mar 28 2019, 10:39 AM

So I whatsapp MEHDA, and this is what I got









This post has been edited by Intimidated: Mar 28 2019, 11:11 AM

No problem.

So from bank POV, no changes, because it’s still a private vehicle.

From JPJ, LHDN, Grab POV, Ehailing drivers are individuals with business revenues, not a company. The car is still private individual car, with ehailing permit.

Ehailing drivers don’t get to enjoy taxi rate at toll

Ehailing drivers don’t need to pay commercial rate for insurance

What are the other things that needs to be clarified? Either share the concerns here, or help find out and share the answers here.

How much to hire runner?

I want to go through the check without hiring one first, just to see if they really that strict or that tough. I’m going to follow the guidelines as is.

If I fail, I’ll share what’s the reason given, and how much total spent in time/money, and how much to do the changes in order to pass then compare with cost of hiring runner, see which one is cheaper

If they pass my junk car, then great news to me though I memang plan to buy new car lol. But no harm going through the process and learn about it. Never visited puspakom before so this will be fun.

It’s ugly but better that than paint your car red and white hahha

Not possible.

BE is strictly for pure employee without any business revenue.

Employees with side income will have to declare both salary and business revenue under borang B

Edited: for Borang BE “other income guideline”, can refer to this http://lampiran1.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/FA..._27012015_1.pdf


This post has been edited by Intimidated: Mar 28 2019, 12:41 PM

Kasi Chan la boss haven’t give green light to share

Serious reply: I don’t work for Grab.

Precisely, since I made so much noise, how can I be Grab spy?

No, I did the calculation, I attended briefings, and I love what I saw. Buy fear, sell greed.

Then again, if I do end up getting the job there, I can probably triple my income or more by selling insider info

Speaking of which, it doesn’t make sense to allow manual accept now, because commission cap at 20%

So my speculation:

Scenario 1 = still allow manual accept at 20%, lower auto accept to 15% or even 10%

Scenario 2 = remove function for manual accept, all auto accept only from now on, and roll out “avoid location” function

I hope scenario 2 happens

Not enough, that’s why I’m working hard

Seriously though, it’s great news for full time drivers. No more manual accept = no longer profitable to drive a couple hours after work since you either get banned for high cancellation rate, or you have to complete ikan bilis trips do you don’t make as much as you used to = part timers drop out = full timers rejoice

For full timers, just set the areas you don’t want to go, then auto accept whole day. For Grab, one less driver KPI to think about, cull away part timers, retain full timers that drive more than 5 hours a day

That is if they roll out “avoid location” feature after disabling manual accept. Otherwise, no changes for AA drivers anyway, business as usual.

Drive to batu caves, the temple

That’s the point, isn’t it?

If all drivers are driving as usual, then supply can meet demand, normal fare all around.

Now, because some drivers are not driving, supply drops, maybe just enough to cause surge demand all day for those who are driving.

Driver’s problem is always that there are too many drivers around. If Grab release tools for drivers to self organise (like heat map of driver concentration vs count of trip request in an area), then some drivers will always avoid areas with too many drivers, evenly distributing the supply.

Those on strike today won’t hurt Grab, but it does help those that drives, because fare goes up due to “artificially” lowered supply. Maybe all drivers should organise like this, determine collectively one group off mom tues then another group wed thu

Maybe then Grab will revise base fare to entice drivers to drive more, to meet the demand

This post has been edited by Intimidated: Apr 6 2019, 12:09 AM

It’s more of a tech barrier, I think.

Transmitting just text means smaller data packets means quicker receive and process on driver’s phone. People sure think “walao facepic so small 200kb or less also can send adi la”, but when you scale it up to millions of rides a day (mycar recently boasted they do more than a million rides a day, so Grab should have more) and probably thousands concurrent rides/requests, that’s a lot of potential choke point

Pair that with possibly unreliable telco and the real killer of real time update, latency, just showing you passenger facepic might degrade experiences for drivers and passengers lol

As for the discrimination, even without facepic, lots of drivers already playing filter game based on fares what. AR and CR already in place to stop you from excessive filtering.

Then there’s that pdpa concern. Even the face recognition/verification they are not going to keep a copy for long term. But as drivers no choice la, it is regulation for safety that they have to show riders your name and your face

that is, unless, the advertisements come from Grab itself ever noticed most of these cars are Bezza? I've seen a couple Myvi with these billboards, but majority are Bezza. Which means likely these are Grab rental drivers, that choose to have income from driving an advertising car