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 Perodua ARUZ - LYN ARUZ CLUB (LAC) v1, Bring on the T power om P2

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post Feb 17 2019, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(jimmydotnet @ Feb 16 2019, 01:24 AM)
I heard production for 2nd batch is halt due to price change. Some sort of price matching to x70 because of same SUV segment. Same goes to Rush. Thats why no Rush OTR because price is still not fixed.

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price matching of aruz to x70???? really?
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post Feb 18 2019, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Feb 17 2019, 11:50 PM)
price matching of aruz to x70???? really?
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Price of Aruz will be affected in future. At the same time X70 is not same segment as Aruz but Toyota Rush is brother of Perodua Aruz. This 2 units price will be pulling together so it would not affect the sales.
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post Feb 18 2019, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(chrisseow @ Feb 18 2019, 03:47 PM)
Price of Aruz will be affected in future. At the same time X70 is not same segment as Aruz but Toyota Rush is brother of Perodua Aruz. This 2 units price will be pulling together so it would not affect the sales.
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x70 might have minor price drop once ckd, or give you more kits at the same price.

On the aruz rush scenario, most likely some hefty discount on rush perhaps. Is not unusual practice though. for perodua, their tradition is give offer to variant that is not so hot in demand/have excess inventory. Since rush and aruz come from the same production line, and perodua only targeting 2500 units per month (not sure how many units toyota is targeting, 500?), it is unlikely the price matching practice will be in place. You won't be getting excessive aruz in inventory (rush maybe). As perodua can anytime bump up the production for other models. And aruz cannot be cheaper in order to maintain the gap between rush. And adjusting the price down wasn't something that perodua will usually do. After all they are UMW subsidiaries. We all know how UMW make money.


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post Feb 18 2019, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Feb 18 2019, 09:40 PM)
x70 might have minor price drop once ckd, or give you more kits at the same price.

On the aruz rush scenario, most likely some hefty discount on rush perhaps. Is not unusual practice though. for perodua, their tradition is give offer to variant that is not so hot in demand/have excess inventory. Since rush and aruz come from the same production line, and perodua only targeting 2500 units per month (not sure how many units toyota is targeting, 500?), it is unlikely the price matching practice will be in place. You won't be getting excessive aruz in inventory (rush maybe). As perodua can anytime bump up the production for other models.  And aruz cannot be cheaper in order to maintain the gap between rush. And adjusting the price down wasn't something that perodua will usually do. After all they are UMW subsidiaries. We all know how UMW make money.
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Yeap you're right for X70 ckd prices and Aruz details. Part of my friend from Perodua Business saying that price of Aruz will increase in the future thats why asking people to quickly place booking before its too late. No matter sales for perodua or toyota or daihatsu, all profit margin still go back to Toyota in the end.
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post Feb 19 2019, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(chrisseow @ Feb 18 2019, 10:39 PM)
Yeap you're right for X70 ckd prices and Aruz details. Part of my friend from Perodua Business saying that price of Aruz will increase in the future thats why asking people to quickly place booking before its too late. No matter sales for perodua or toyota or daihatsu, all profit margin still go back to Toyota in the end.
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it maybe a psychological tactic played by Perodua to lure for bookings in order to make up the numbers. After all, when we watch the review on aruz, most of the review are about being neutral with not much praising. Let alone the powertrain (output and combination) will be the focus of consumer (malaysians are fond with the peppy throttle perodua since 1st myvi) and target for rivals to attack (honda will be praising their iVTEC CVT BRV in terms of output by numbers, proton will tell you their x70 being TGDI 6AT).

Well, let's see. If perodua were to bump up the pricing, then perodua is sort of suicidal with aruz market planning. Especially when their service quality is going down trend, and also the parts quality wasn't as good as they gonna had. If proton able to improve on their car's reliability, and service quality. Then perodua should be really worry about their future.
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post Feb 19 2019, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Feb 19 2019, 01:54 PM)
it maybe a psychological tactic played by Perodua to lure for bookings in order to make up the numbers. After all, when we watch the review on aruz, most of the review are about being neutral with not much praising. Let alone the powertrain (output and combination) will be the focus of consumer (malaysians are fond with the peppy throttle perodua since 1st myvi) and target for rivals to attack (honda will be praising their iVTEC CVT BRV in terms of output by numbers, proton will tell you their x70 being TGDI 6AT).

Well, let's see. If perodua were to bump up the pricing, then perodua is sort of suicidal with aruz market planning. Especially when their service quality is going down trend, and also the parts quality wasn't as good as they gonna had. If proton able to improve on their car's reliability, and service quality. Then perodua should be really worry about their future.
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You're right about that. Since right now Proton catching up with the quality of their car. Market shares for Perodua will be affected pretty much as time passing by now. Since Proton going to launch a new model every year and on the other hand Tun Mahathir going to launch a new car brand project and this will direct affect the market share of Perodua and its position going to be threatened real soon.
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:26 PM

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Just got my car today. Was expecting the worse because did not test drive the car before buying. The car does not feel sluggish for city driving and no problem cruising 70-80km/h. Engine not too loud. I find the Aircond blower nosier.

I downgraded from a civic 1.8 so I think highway driving will be disappointing as it would not match civic’s speed. Suspension is nice because you don’t feel the potholes on the road.

Awkward to open car doors. One press only open drivers door. You need to double press to open all doors. To activate DRL you must put your light in park all the time. I thought it should be on all the time.

Radio sound system sux and screen is so small.
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post Feb 19 2019, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(JoLee @ Feb 19 2019, 09:26 PM)
Just got my car today. Was expecting the worse because did not test drive the car before buying. The car does not feel sluggish for city driving and no problem cruising 70-80km/h. Engine not too loud. I find the Aircond blower nosier.

I downgraded from a civic 1.8 so I think highway driving will be disappointing as it would not match civic’s speed. Suspension is nice because you don’t feel the potholes on the road.

Awkward to open car doors. One press only open drivers door. You need to double press to open all doors. To activate DRL you must put your light in park all the time. I thought it should be on all the time.

Radio sound system sux and screen is so small.
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Can't compare with your civic tho. Suspension good because is SUV. The rest still need a lot improvement for a standard entry SUV
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post Feb 20 2019, 10:10 PM

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perodua never excel in their audio system, dont hope for that, but i do believe aruz should be one of the best perodua model in terms of audio quality, 2 tweeters + 4 mid range speaker, shouldn't be too bad.
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post Feb 21 2019, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(singk @ Feb 20 2019, 10:10 PM)
perodua never excel in their audio system, dont hope for that, but i do believe aruz should be one of the best perodua model in terms of audio quality, 2 tweeters + 4 mid range speaker, shouldn't be too bad.
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The problem with p2 is usually not the speakers but it's the no name headunit. Just replace it with aa/carplay unit frim pioneer/kenwood
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post Feb 21 2019, 09:49 AM

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we should be glad that p2 head unit is still swappable with other brand and when the HU went havoc other functionality is still usable. I mean when it compared to other higher end models like X70 (people tend to compare aruz to X70 even it is different segment and class, most likely due to the launching time proximity), honda crv, honda civic.....

i can't imagine future P2 models with HU controlling some of the vehicle functionality and it come with crappy audio processing capability and having little problems here and there. Not sure about myvi & alza's HU, but on bezza advance HU, it tend to have glitches here and there, like hang, display problem etc..... i think P2 still have a long way to go with their HU quality.
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QUOTE(Effy92 @ Feb 17 2019, 09:16 PM)
For time being yes if budget below 90k, because the only 7 seater below 80k that have Stability control and 6 Airbag with all latest safety feature. BRV only 2 airbag not worth for now, wait for the facelift. Exora and Alza too old also 2 airbag.

Ya if want to upgrade from alza not much difference in size, only safety  features different. Hold your bullet save for a better mpv. I believe all manufacturers will step up their game after this. Wait for Geely Jiaji come to Malaysia, I'm pretty sure the price will be like X70.
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I will probably update my post here with a photo later.

I went to a shopping mall closed to my house last evening where the were 3 cars on display, and the cars were unlocked so I could go in and out and sit on it.

1. Perodua Aruz lower spec
2. Perodua Alza lower spec

3. Pronto X70 lowest spec

Just skip Alza, my short finding on Aruz :
1. seats base for all 3 rows are short, really short. Thigh not properly supported even for my 1.7m height (my legs are not too long). Alza's seats are much larger and more comfy.
2. unnecessary high, the wheel arch gap is awfully large. I understand all the underpinning issues with ladder frame and SUV looks, but the end result is not so eye-pleasing.
3. 3rd row head space is tight, only suitable for small adult or best for kids.
4. In general Alza is a better for 7 ppl, better ingress and egress, better comfort. But safety wise Aruz is quite good with ESC and more airbags.
5. Used to own Alza for 5 years in the past, it has poor NVH. FC was not too bad but not very good either. Aruz is using the similar engine with more kerb weight, broader tyres, more "efficiency" tuning, I would only believe that Aruz is not gonna be sweet to drive, power delivery wise.
6. Pricing : 75k OTR or roughly 23-25k more than MYVI 1.5 (non advance) or 15-20k more than Alza, I would say you buy more sheet metal and safety stuff since powertrain no different. Worth it or not, I think by today standard, ok lar since it's much better safety features wise.


Bottom line : IF YOU LIKE IT, YOU MAY GO AHEAD TO BUY IT (while accepting all the shortcomings)

My short finding on X70 :
1. built quality is quite solid
2. seats based are large, very comfortable while sitting on it.
3. car is quite spacious overall, seating is very good where the driver can adjust to a very commanding seating position.
4. but wasted quite a lot of space unnecessary on the center console. As the transmission tunnel is not so high, I was so surprised that the compartment is so small, and that there is a lot of empty space below/behind the gear level. Geely just dug 2 little space for handphones or wallet at the side. Could have been better utilised.
5. Pricing : It would be great if the based line price is at 90k instead of 100k. I always have the feeling that the 4 models of X70 are all 10k too high. But as it was well received by the buyers I guess I don't represent the true X70 buyers.

Bottom line : IF ONE CAN WAIT, DO WAIT FOR THE X50 either CKD or CBU (should be 10-20k cheaper and have more modern interior)

Just my 2 cent smile.gif

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post Feb 21 2019, 02:19 PM

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Do speaker or head unit important in the car purchase decision?
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post Feb 21 2019, 05:46 PM

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maybe people want a car that drives like a bimmer, an 8speed AT box, direct injection turbo engine for power & fuel efficiency, 8 speakers BOSE sound systems inside, 7 inch semi floating deck HU with Apple touch panel level of smoothness, dual zone auto aircond with digital panel, 7 airbags, VSC, ABS EBD, AEB, LDW, BLIMS, TPMS, tall enough to handle flooded street whenever it rains heavily, good NVH, nice looking, DRL, spacious, plush seats, fit in 7 pax comfortably (or maybe 8 pax whenever they wanna slot in a kiddo), easy to drive, cheap to maintain, 5 years free service and unlimited mileage warranty, most important thing is...... it is available for price of sub 80k, and entitle for fuel subsidy. brows.gif
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post Feb 21 2019, 10:05 PM

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Best trolll reviewwwww...... rclxms.gif


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post Feb 22 2019, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Feb 21 2019, 10:05 PM)
Best trolll reviewwwww......  rclxms.gif


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These 2 guys quite good la. I like their interaction and layman discussion
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post Feb 22 2019, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(alternativehype @ Feb 22 2019, 11:19 AM)
These 2 guys quite good la. I like their interaction and layman discussion
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Yes agree, in all fairness they give an honest review about the head unit, gear, seat, etc.
Good to support these guys and other local content producers. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 23 2019, 05:05 AM

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After watching and reading some reviews, i might be considering this aruz instead of exora sometime middle of the year to replace my vios..have to change it since i will enter 2nd tiernpayment for the 2013 vios for 1k monthly..

Aruz seems ok but had my heart set on exora before this

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post Feb 23 2019, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(CTU @ Feb 23 2019, 05:05 AM)
After watching  and reading some reviews, i might be considering this aruz instead of exora sometime middle of the year to replace my vios..have to change it since i will enter 2nd tiernpayment  for the 2013 vios for 1k monthly..

Aruz seems ok but had my heart set on exora before this
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go for a test drive for both cars.......bring the whole family along
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post Feb 23 2019, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(CTU @ Feb 23 2019, 05:05 AM)
After watching  and reading some reviews, i might be considering this aruz instead of exora sometime middle of the year to replace my vios..have to change it since i will enter 2nd tiernpayment  for the 2013 vios for 1k monthly..

Aruz seems ok but had my heart set on exora before this
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well, let's get it straight you planned for family car or suv? both are different segment.

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