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Holocene
post Feb 26 2019, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Feb 26 2019, 02:43 PM)
Hi , thank you 2 sifus for your advice.

Just 1 thing I don't understand. Why insurance usually comes with life/tpd?
I suppose life/tpd/36ci only benefits your next of kin instead of yourselves.
so i personally do not think it worth the money as you wont be able to use it.

i also dont understand why usually people opt for private instead of gov hospital.
i heard some of the case where the equipment in private hospital is less than gov hospital.
in the end need private reference to gov hosp?

as for the option1,2,3. what is the main different? i suppose this one is 1.1mil per year by A*A.
the only different i see is the deductible? is that important and justifiable for the huge difference in premium?
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When a medical card comes attached with a Life/TPD it's an indication that's it's an Investment Linked Plan (ILP). As to the benefits of life/today/36ci, a death payout will definitely benefit the nominee however a TPD and 36CI will benefit the life assured.

Private vs Government hospital is a matter of choice and convenience.

There's quite a bit of difference between Option 1 and Option 2 for example: ICU days, outpatient treatment coverage. Option 1 is usually used as a complement to an existing medical coverage or in the case of limited budget the primary medical card.

I encourage you to check their differences out.

Option 1: Allianz MediAide
https://www.allianz.com.my/mediaide

Option 2: Allianz MediEssential https://www.allianz.com.my/medisafeessential

Option 3: Allianz MediSafe Infinite https://www.allianz.com.my/medisafe-infinite-infinite-xtra

To put it in a simple manner here, the more you pay the better the coverage is.

Best,
Jiansheng
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post Feb 26 2019, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 26 2019, 01:32 PM)
Not necessarily it's expensive.

Depending on your comfortable budget, an agent will be able to provide you with options from RM2k - RM10k in premium.

But realistically you can consider the following

1) Option 1

- Life/TPD: RM25k

- R&B200
-- Annual limit: RM100k
-- Lifetime limit: RM1mil
-- Deductible: RM2k

Premium: RM3,060/annual

2) Option 2

- Life/TPD: RM25k

- R&B200
-- Annual limit: RM100k
-- Lifetime limit: RM1mil
-- Deductible: RM300

Premium: RM3,660/annual

3) Option 3

- Life/TPD: RM25k

- R&B200
-- Annual limit: RM100k
-- Lifetime limit: RM1mil
-- Deductible: RM300

Premium: RM4,860/annual

So depending on the coverage you're getting for your dad the premium will be charged accordingly. Above is just a sample of what you could get for your dad. Do check with the insurance agent that you're meeting on your options 🤓

Unfortunately for my dad, he's 13 years older than yours so you can imagine the premium I'm paying on behalf 😥

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Jiansheng
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Option 2 n 3 exactly the same but different premium?
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post Feb 26 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Feb 26 2019, 03:29 PM)
Option 2 n 3 exactly the same but different premium?
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Ops

Option 3

Life/TPD: RM25k

A/L: RM1mil

L/L: None

Deductible: None.

Premium: 4860

Thanks for informing MGM
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post Feb 26 2019, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 26 2019, 03:14 PM)
When a medical card comes attached with a Life/TPD it's an indication that's it's an Investment Linked Plan (ILP). As to the benefits of life/today/36ci, a death payout will definitely benefit the nominee however a TPD and 36CI will benefit the life assured.

Private vs Government hospital is a matter of choice and convenience.

There's quite a bit of difference between Option 1 and Option 2 for example: ICU days, outpatient treatment coverage. Option 1 is usually used as a complement to an existing medical coverage or in the case of limited budget the primary medical card.

I encourage you to check their differences out.

Option 1: Allianz MediAide
https://www.allianz.com.my/mediaide

Option 2: Allianz MediEssential https://www.allianz.com.my/medisafeessential

Option 3: Allianz MediSafe Infinite https://www.allianz.com.my/medisafe-infinite-infinite-xtra

To put it in a simple manner here, the more you pay the better the coverage is.

Best,
Jiansheng
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So as gov servant. They have privileged to get free medical services from gov hospital.

Even IJN services is covered.

Expt. Lenses, valve etc etc. But at discount. I think for now they only need to pay "hardware" but not "software"

Do you think CI is acceptable for them or redundant?

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post Feb 26 2019, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Feb 26 2019, 02:43 PM)
Hi , thank you 2 sifus for your advice.

Just 1 thing I don't understand. Why insurance usually comes with life/tpd?
I suppose life/tpd/36ci only benefits your next of kin instead of yourselves.
so i personally do not think it worth the money as you wont be able to use it.

i also dont understand why usually people opt for private instead of gov hospital.
i heard some of the case where the equipment in private hospital is less than gov hospital.
in the end need private reference to gov hosp?

as for the option1,2,3. what is the main different? i suppose this one is 1.1mil per year by A*A.
the only different i see is the deductible? is that important and justifiable for the huge difference in premium?
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insurance doesn't have to come with Life/TPD, you can always opt for term insurance which covers only specific insurance i.e standalone medical card.

As for next of kin benefit, CI and TPD benefit payout is for yourself where you're still alive to use it.

As for private vs gov, choice is your actually, if you prefer only gov hospital, then don't need to buy any medical card at all. Save the premium for a holiday.


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post Feb 26 2019, 06:20 PM

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post Feb 26 2019, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(humanbeing99 @ Feb 26 2019, 06:20 PM)
Is there any medical car for high bmi?
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What’s ur height and weight ?
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post Feb 26 2019, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 26 2019, 04:08 PM)
So as gov servant. They have privileged to  get free medical services from gov hospital.

Even IJN services is covered.

Expt. Lenses, valve etc etc. But at discount. I think for now they only need to pay "hardware" but not "software"

Do you think CI is acceptable for them or redundant?
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So this is really when you need to have a conversation with your insurance agent.

Critical illness insurance is sold for 2 purposes:

1) Income replacement;

2) Expenditures that are not covered by your medical benefits (as you so rightfully pointed on in your example)

Coming up with the number for the coverage and plan will depend on your discussion with your agent.

Best,
Jiansheng

This post has been edited by Holocene: Feb 26 2019, 06:46 PM
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a topic was raised from peer, do we really need medical card if we only depending on government hospital?
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post Feb 27 2019, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 27 2019, 11:37 AM)
a topic was raised from peer, do we really need medical card if we only depending on government hospital?
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CMIIAW if u hold a medical card and but got treated at Govt Hospital for claimable procedure, u can actual claim the difference in medical cost, true or false?
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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 26 2019, 06:45 PM)
So this is really when you need to have a conversation with your insurance agent.

Critical illness insurance is sold for 2 purposes:

1) Income replacement;

2) Expenditures that are not covered by your medical benefits (as you so rightfully pointed on in your example)

Coming up with the number for the coverage and plan will depend on your discussion with your agent.

Best,
Jiansheng
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is Fully Paid Patient (FPP) in Gov Hospital can be claimable as the same process in Private?
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post Feb 27 2019, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 27 2019, 12:21 PM)
is Fully Paid Patient (FPP) in Gov Hospital can be claimable as the same process in Private?
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Critical illness insurance has nothing to do with FPP as the payout goes to you directly.

What you decide to do with the payout/cash is entirely up to you.

It is not a medical card whereby it can only be used to pay your medical bills.

Best,
Jiansheng

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post Feb 27 2019, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 27 2019, 11:37 AM)
a topic was raised from peer, do we really need medical card if we only depending on government hospital?
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in my humble opinion:
IFs...
1. Gov never changes cost charged to patients
2. AND no sudden change in healthcare policy like "must have basic healthcare insurance"..
3. AND I dont want to have options and ok to just to wait for openings/availability from Gov Hospitals

yup, no need any medical insurance.
Gov will take good care of me.. i trust..
IFs la..
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post Feb 28 2019, 02:33 AM

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Hi all, I am 27 this year. Currently have one medical my dad bought in 1999. 70k x 3.

Thinking to purchase new, please advise below premium is good to go?

Premium RM260/month for below

Life: 100k
PA: 100k
Critical illness: 100k
Medical is Allianz. A/L 1.1m, L/L no limit. R&B250
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post Feb 28 2019, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 02:33 AM)
Hi all, I am 27 this year. Currently have one medical my dad bought in 1999. 70k x 3.

Thinking to purchase new, please advise below premium is good to go?

Premium RM260/month for below

Life: 100k
PA: 100k
Critical illness: 100k
Medical is Allianz. A/L 1.1m, L/L no limit. R&B250
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For the Critical illness, assuming it's PrimeCare+, you have a good quote there 🤓

Best,
Jiansheng
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post Feb 28 2019, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 02:33 AM)
Hi all, I am 27 this year. Currently have one medical my dad bought in 1999. 70k x 3.

Thinking to purchase new, please advise below premium is good to go?

Premium RM260/month for below

Life: 100k
PA: 100k
Critical illness: 100k
Medical is Allianz. A/L 1.1m, L/L no limit. R&B250
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Seems okay to me
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post Feb 28 2019, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 02:33 AM)
Hi all, I am 27 this year. Currently have one medical my dad bought in 1999. 70k x 3.

Thinking to purchase new, please advise below premium is good to go?

Premium RM260/month for below

Life: 100k
PA: 100k
Critical illness: 100k
Medical is Allianz. A/L 1.1m, L/L no limit. R&B250
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You can get much higher cost coverage with this much of premium.

My real life example:

Life: 200k
TPD: 200k
CI: 200k
PA: 400k
Medical: 200k AL deductible options

Average RM150/m, RM1800+ per annum.

Some may argue the medical is too low. Ok let add up to double up to 400k AL that would be maybe around RM2k+ per annum with double life/tpd/ci and quadruple of PA but lesser medical (do we really need 1m AL? I don't know)

Too many ppl paid too muh premium for unnecessary low savings rate. Unless you are the who don't know discipline yourself for investment. Get a ILP then.

#buyterminvesttherest
#dierich<60
#cashrich>60

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post Feb 28 2019, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 28 2019, 08:37 AM)
For the Critical illness, assuming it's PrimeCare+, you have a good quote there 🤓

Best,
Jiansheng
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Yes it's prima care plus. It's a PowerLink plan.

I've been reading around seems like this is a standard premium price.



QUOTE(basSist @ Feb 28 2019, 09:01 AM)
You can get much higher cost coverage with this much of premium.

My real life example:

Life: 200k
TPD: 200k
CI: 200k
PA: 400k
Medical: 200k AL deductible options

Average RM150/m, RM1800+ per annum.

Some may argue the medical is too low. Ok let add up to double up to 400k AL that would be maybe around RM2k+ per annum with double life/tpd/ci and quadruple of PA but lesser medical (do we really need 1m AL? I don't know)

Too many ppl paid too muh premium for unnecessary low savings rate. Unless you are the who don't know discipline yourself for investment. Get a ILP then.

#buyterminvesttherest
#dierich<60
#cashrich>60
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Thanks for the input sir. My mom was telling the same thing, medical no need so much, cover 1m for PA. Medical is for hospital to earn more.

Medical I considered about inflation, last time saw some articles saying can't people afford medication. R&B can be reduced to 200 actually.

I have no interest in ILP. Only in this plan because all in one.

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post Feb 28 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 09:36 AM)
Yes it's prima care plus. It's a PowerLink plan.

I've been reading around seems like this is a standard premium price.
Thanks for the input sir. My mom was telling the same thing, medical no need so much, cover 1m for PA. Medical is for hospital to earn more.

Medical I considered about inflation, last time saw some articles saying can't people afford medication. R&B can be reduced to 200 actually.

I have no interest in ILP. Only in this plan because all in one.
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Yeap for the coverage that's a good premium as I believe the agent would have advise you on the features of PrimeCare+ and it's difference between a normal CI coverage.

As for the medical card, we always plan for the future because the media never fail to inform us about how medical cost are double digit % increment year on year so that's the reason for high limit coverage.

If you're looking for PA, you should actually remove the PA within the ILP and buy it from a general insurance, their coverage is wider and you're paying more or less the same premium.

Best,
Jiansheng
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post Feb 28 2019, 10:01 AM

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Medical annual and lifetime limit level is always debatable. There is no right or wrong.
Just get one within your affordable level in term of premium.

Personally, I won't too concern on this, as if I really need until 1 mil+ medical bill, that's means I may be too serious to survive and may have too much complication, and even after cured, may not have enough money to survive the rest of life (there may be a lot of money need to be spent afterwards that may not covered by the insurance as well) and likelyhood won't be live too long with so much medical complication.

Unless one has ton of millions one, then different story.

If I don't have money today due to overpay too much on insurance, I may died starving next week, even having 10 mil medical coverage or 100 mil of insurance coverage.
So, just plan according within personal affordability. Life is never perfect.

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