I have been in the same situation.

My experience previously with MNC (oil & gas) they never ask my salary figure and slip. They offered me a salary base on the market value of the job description. The offer is a 300% increment from my previous employment with a local SMB.

Recently I have an interview with an international company and have the same experience as you.

I just said to them (usually for a big company) every job descriptions published normally matched to job salary group/band which have a certain salary range. So I believed they already have expected values in their mind. Just table it to me, if not meet my expectation then I will negotiate. Or if they want, I can table mine then they can negotiate.

However, they insist on how much my salary and slips. I just said to HR my current salary is confidential between me and my current employer. She reply there is no such confidential thingy. In return, I ask the HR person to tell me her salary. She said it's confidential and ask me how much I want. I have got a friend inside and know how much the salary range for that vacancy. So in the beginning, I know they can meet my expectation. I also cross-check with Glassdoor how much usually this company pays and how much the market average pay for Malaysia. So I just gave how much I want which little bit higher than average. After negotiation, we didn't conclude because she wants way way below the market average. It's an insult to my 20 years of International experience plus couples of pro certificates.

For the 3rd party head hunter usually I gave them a list of position that I interested plus a range of salary that I'm targeted. So we don't waste our time.

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haha, the HR doesnt know how to reply back.

if you were to ask me, how much salary am i asking for? i as hR will reply, im not the one who's looking/applying for a job

I had faced a similar situation too, whereby I interview directly with the CEO and he agreed with my expected salary. Then after that, HR requested payslip and in the end, get 15% increment too -.-

What is the difficulty to provide the payslip to the HR? If no payslip how can they justify? You are not the only qualified candidate

I had same situation or worst than you. Felt really shit and demotivated. To be honest this kind of practice by HR offer salary based on your last paycheck is really stupid. Once u joined new company and found out that ur salary is way below ur peers thats gonna hit u like a rock. You will feel very demotivated and felt cheated at times too. What make matter worst is that ur peer have lesser jobs and less capable than you are. Managers/boss knows you are good & efficient staff but they cant simply raise your salary without the other staff complaining/protest. I prefer basic salary based on position is fixed and then your good work performance is paid by bonus.

you can't really compare US against Malaysia. There is nothing to be compare in the first place because Malaysia is just Malaysia - a shithole country who doesn't appreciate its own talent and run by a bunch of clown's

my experience in job hunting in US specially in a highly competitive state in NYC is that you will be hired based on your work experience (International or local) and the knowledge you are able to bring to the company and compensation based on what they think is worth according to market value - of cause you can negotiate if you think is underpaid

there is no such thing as asking for paid slip or other nonsense bullshit like what HR in Malaysia does - hiring based on race or quota, is against the law here.

justify based on the interbiu, exams, test, and even probation period

Then how to define good performance? Most people always think they are doing good but your boss think you are not performing. If you are really doing good of course you will have salary increment, that’s why the HR want to see the payslip as reference

If one is really good, why his/her payslip /last drawn salary is low? People always thought they are top performers but actually not. Those HR has seen more candidates and know much than you know

alot reasons. HR like those who just keep quiet and don't ask so much. take what we give you.

if you are top performer, HR's job is to make you feel you are probably not. and the increment we gives you are much better than outside world.

but don't compare among your peers!

our range of top performer is x to y. but another company range of top perform is a to b. same job scope different company.

and whether the company is SME or MNC. SME largely cannot afford to pay you even if you are top top performer.

but MNC if they have such policy of knowing your last drawn salary, can still give you the lowest range and justify.

A, B,C go apply for a same position at company X.
They all self claimed “top performer”, have same experience, same qualification, all perform good at interview
Candidate A
Last drawn salary 1.8k
Asking salary: 4K

Candidate B
Last drawn salary 3k
Asking salary: 4K

Candidate C
Last drawn salary: not to share payslip
Asking salary 4K

Who will you hire?
Most HR will hire B, some will hire A but offer lower salary. But not C. How can C justify he is good? Do you know so many people out there with high qualification looking for job also?
Personally I think those people who refuse to show payslip when HR requested, have EQ problem. If you are really your new boss will fight for you. If not then mean he doesn’t know you or you are just nothing different to other average guy

going to park here awhile.

I would like to know more info too about this "HR want previous company pay slip / last drawn salary or risk losing the job".

my current job is at an MNC and my experience was the usual 3-panel interview they ask about experience, knowledge, PR skills bla bla ... then at the end ask about my previous drawn salary + payslip.

I mention that I wouldn't mind telling/giving (of course not) but no offence why the need to know when you can check yourself with the relevant authorities ?
and is this part of the evaluation for the position when I have clearly stated my expected salary in my CV/resume. (spoken in a polite tone/manner)

A little back and forth and they hired me anyway without me providing any info on previous salary.

I too find it really amusing why does HR need to see previous salary ... hire & pay about the same range ?
why would one wants to jump to your company then ?

the salary one gets in general depends on his/her experiences, negotiation skills, what he/her can do for said company and NOT previous salary matching nor job position based.

would like to know those working in HR your thoughts on this and what you do with said information.

also healthy sharing of salary information to some extend around the same position level among peers and friends is beneficial.

Not all company is same and can simply raise ur salary even you outperformed. U can try to work in Japanese MNC, ur payscale got range based on ur years of experience and level. So even you outperformed ur senior or u have more important role in the company, the company wont increase ur salary to match ur senior and ur increment has limit based on ur level. Thats why turnover rate in Japanse MNC is very high, after 1 year you can see 30%-50% executive resigned. In Msia HR tend to decide salary based on seniority instead of performance. So your logic saying high salary = good worker is bullshit. I have joined various company, the one with higher salary usually the one with cables and charisma but tend to do sloppy job and make others work shittier.

Its not hard to define good performance, ur manager knows u r a good performer, but most of Msian managers are incapable to support u and to help u get better salary. In Msia, most manager become manager because they work with the company for XX years (seniority). They dont become manager because of their capability.

HR want to see your payslip because its the most straight forward reason to justify the candidates expected salary to their boss. So when boss asked why should we pay this guy 10K? HR provide payslip of the candidate and say he is currently earning 8K so 20% increment is justified.

I have a close friend recently joined a company 3 months ago. His new salary is 110% more compared to previous salary. His salary from 4 figures become 5 figures. So how did he managed to get it? His new company is his ex-company client. His new company CEO see my friend work very good, and 1 day the new company CEO asked him if he want to join his new company. He let my friend write down what his salary he want. Note that this new company is not a small company, its a multi-billion worth company based in UK but recently open new factory in Msia. So why my friend old company unable to pay him 5 figures eventho he is performing very well? If my friend were to join via HR, definitely he wont get 110% increment.

Another situation is my friend now working in a startup. He is the main guy that create app and ensure the startup survive. His app allows the startup to get funding the from investor. However the startup company unable to pay my friend high salary because the company is not financally stable. But the startup company knows how valuable my friend is, if my friend resigned the company might go south. So my friend is quite a loyal guy, he is trying to finished what he started, and doesnt mind the low salary (he is a tech enthusiast). He didnt even get a shares from the company. And 1 day he got an interview and HR asked him his salary, despite his years of experience and capability, the HR keep lowballing him because his salary now is low. By right with his years of experience & capability he can earn 5 figures easily unfortunately some HR dont give an ass about ur skills, experience, story etc, they just wana see ur payslip to justify ur payment.

Welcome to Malaysia HR.

That is why I said, for normal average people, the only way HR justify is your payslip. Unless you are the top talent like your friend, he no need to apply job through job street or whatever other channel. The new boss will invite you to join then that is different story . If you have no people recommend or invite you to join, how do you want them to justify ?

Get a talent/recruitment agent. But need to find trusted & reliable agent. However its not cheap. And not many people like to deal with agent coz afraid salary low ball etc. I have good experience with some agent and some bad too. Good agent even try to nego with potential company HR and not lowball u.

To be honest I find most HR in Msia is lazy bunch. They lazy to filter & search candidates etc. Some even dont want to layan candidates and let agent handle all. Then just ask the candidates expected salary, negotiate lowball job done by HR. LOL.

Thats why so many recruitment agent comp in Msia and some of my contacts become personal recruitment agent too. Really big money for them agents.

Beside agent no choice use inside cable. U know HR personally 90% u get the job.

If go through normal hiring process, nowadays its gonna be brutal when few hundreds or thousands apply the same position.

This post has been edited by rd33: Jun 16 2020, 01:16 PM

if me? i will continue to ask more information about candidate A, B and C. last drawn salary should not be the criteria for me to decide who to hire.

that's the whole point of this thread.

Yes you can decide to give or not give, but it is also up to the employer to whom they want to hire for the job.
Anyone can talk big, ask more information doesn’t help to justify, no evidence how to justify?
Lol are you just graduated from school? Must people give you what you want?

so that piece of salary slip is enough to justify?

that's the only deciding factor that you will decide who to hire if everyone has the same skills & experience?

I think HR request for latest payslip for some reason.
1. Justify if the candidate really working in the current company.
2. Justify if the candidate last drawn salary match with what has been stated.
3. To have better sight how much to adjust if the candidate being shortlisted for hiring.

So what's so hard to give the payslip if you intend to get the jobs.



This post has been edited by ost1007: Jun 17 2020, 04:58 PM

I disagree

1. It’s better that HR call the previous company HR to confirm
2. Previous salary should not b a gauge of what ur future salary should b. It should b base on ur experience and what u can offer
3. See number 2