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ayamstim
post Nov 13 2018, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(speedguy10 @ Nov 13 2018, 02:18 PM)
300% increment from previous job is extremely rare case, except you changed job from different area (JB to KL, or Malaysia to Singapore).
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I only changed my work location from Cyberjaya to Putrajaya, but I did switch from a permanent employee in a consulting firm to a contractor.
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QUOTE(cringe @ Nov 7 2018, 09:15 AM)
If your salary is high currently, I know why you have such a big ego to reveal your payslip.

For desperate people that looking for a better job, better pay or have been jobless for a long time, I don't think they have a problem in giving the payslip.

For me, it's simple, if the company really wants you, I don't think they have a problem of offer u according to market rate.
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well.. it happens to one of my friends.. no choice but to give payslip as per request by HR after done interview since she has been jobless for 6 months.. otherwise she will insist of not giving the payslip..

Even though the hiring manager likes her.. but HR may decide not to hire her since HR said "we need it for salary package".. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post May 10 2020, 11:58 AM

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I like ayamstim's respond. This is why some states in the US is actually against the law for hiring companies asking salary slip from an employee working for previous company. You see people as it is, the education background, his experience, his resume and the result of the interview align with the job basket vacancy. But no, Malaysian mindset is odd, wanna hire people based one "expectation" and "previous salary" as a criteria. Bodoh. Anyway, I suggest you send only the salary slip if you're in the first place being honest. If not honest, edit the salary slip lol. People say from EPF can see how your salary is, yes, true but your next company is charging based on PCB from your new salary in the new company. HR wouldn't know your EPF caruman from ex-company anyway. Plus some companies doing outsource like payroll panda. They don't give two sihts.
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post May 10 2020, 12:47 PM

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The reasons why Malaysia salary Nv increase cause HR use previous payslip to offer u
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post May 10 2020, 04:56 PM

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TS, it goes both ways..

It is your right not to provide the payslip

It is also the right of the co not to hire you based on you not providing what they want
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post May 11 2020, 10:56 AM

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Your salary usually is depend on HR to decide how much the company going to pay you. They will based on your previous salary to decide how much increment for your new job. Usually is underpaid compare to market rate. They have to justify why have to pay you the salary rate. If you fail to comply, they have excuse to reject your application.

Some rare cases if your manager who hired you have a better authority than HR, then is your manager who decided your salary/give a better paid rate than HR. That is also depending on how good is your manager relationship with the HR.
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post Jun 12 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(tiestoycc @ Nov 7 2018, 01:57 PM)
exactly! that's how it should be!

every company surely will have an allocated budget for each position, then if the candidate's skills/experiences can match the budget, then why not? why must die die lowball the fella?

i already kena this before, previous company, asked for my current and expected, they said no, cannot, because increment more than 50%, so i fight until at least 50%... i just dont get the need to offer salary based on current salary, really wtf
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It depends on the bosses/HR working in the company. I have a friend and she requested for an expected salary which is way lower than the standard in the company because her previous salary was of course even lower than her expected salary. And of course, the company lowballed her.
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post Jun 12 2020, 01:27 PM

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This is one of the bad practice of C&B benchmarking in Malaysia. Offered salary should be based on the values of the position bring, not by the person to be hired into the position
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post Jun 12 2020, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Nov 5 2018, 01:32 PM)
As matter of fact, yes, I do.

My view of salary negotiation is I myself and company come into conclusion what is the "fair" compensation for my experience and skills, regardless of what is my previous pay. So, if either party do not come into such agreement, I would politely decline the offer.

If you goes into the negotiation with the above said mindset, unless you inflated your last drawn salary, then, u got nothing to lose to demand whatever you think you deserve.

If they just offered u 20-30% increment, you can just walk away, declining the offer, nothing to lose. But, if they agree to pay what you expected, you got the job. But, now, by not providing your last drawn salary evidence, u totally blew away the opportunity. Are you telling me that you more than happy to accept current salary which is lower than your "expected min" 20-30% increase?
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20% increment also u walk away? damn..your basic must be damn low
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post Jun 12 2020, 04:50 PM

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I think if candidate don't provide payslip, eventually Interviewer able to find it out also..
Using the candidate EPF number or Income tax? confused.gif
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(silence94 @ Jun 12 2020, 04:50 PM)
I think if candidate don't provide payslip, eventually Interviewer able to find it out also..
Using the candidate EPF number or Income tax? confused.gif
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It's P&C information
HR CANNOT obtain this information
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(silence94 @ Jun 12 2020, 04:50 PM)
I think if candidate don't provide payslip, eventually Interviewer able to find it out also..
Using the candidate EPF number or Income tax? confused.gif
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not possible. unless u willingly give
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post Jun 12 2020, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(d7adict @ Jun 12 2020, 01:27 PM)
This is one of the bad practice of C&B benchmarking in Malaysia. Offered salary should be based on the values of the position bring, not by the person to be hired into the position
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Exactly! I was once paid 2k lower compared to my peers who does the same job as me due to this...
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post Jun 12 2020, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(jianwei90 @ Jun 12 2020, 07:26 PM)
Exactly! I was once paid 2k lower compared to my peers who does the same job as me due to this...
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How did you manage to find it out?
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Bearberry @ Jun 12 2020, 07:48 PM)
How did you manage to find it out?
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Not OP, but i was in the exact same position as him. Doing the same job, but with pay discrepancy of RM2k.

We shared our salary info among ourselves. Which is why there are increasingly more companies that impose penalties on sharing salary information these days. Even my current company would impose S$200 for every infraction found.
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post Jun 13 2020, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(NowLat.yet @ Jun 13 2020, 11:10 AM)
Not OP, but i was in the exact same position as him. Doing the same job, but with pay discrepancy of RM2k.

We shared our salary info among ourselves. Which is why there are increasingly more companies that impose penalties on sharing salary information these days. Even my current company would impose S$200 for every infraction found.
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How are they able to verify how you have shared your salary? People may just said they guessed it anyway.
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post Jun 13 2020, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(filage @ Jun 13 2020, 12:40 PM)
How are they able to verify how you have shared your salary? People may just said they guessed it anyway.
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Probably quite easy to narrow down the list when some disgruntled colleague takes it up to HR and ask why is the pay gap so huge.

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And the RM2k gap is just the tip of the iceberg. As we found out together, we have the same number of years of experience, similar education, and even the same percentage of increment throughout the years since we started working. The only difference between us is our starting salaries upon graduation. And thus the pay gap snowballed to RM2k at the time we compared our salaries.

This post has been edited by NowLat.yet: Jun 13 2020, 12:51 PM
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post Jun 13 2020, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ May 10 2020, 04:56 PM)
TS, it goes both ways..

It is your right not to provide the payslip

It is also the right of the co not to hire you based on you not providing what they want
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That is a very astute observation, and a very correct one to make - especially in times where the unemployment rate is high (and hungry graduates/recently let off workers are aplenty).
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post Jun 14 2020, 12:20 AM

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No idea why it bring up this topic for discussion?

Please tell me which company didn't ask for your payslip before offering a job for you?

Curious to know why so secretive not providing payslip? You earn Billion?


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post Jun 14 2020, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(babygrand123 @ Jun 14 2020, 12:20 AM)
No idea why it bring up this topic for discussion?

Please tell me which company didn't ask for your payslip before offering a job for you?

Curious to know why so secretive not providing payslip? You earn Billion?
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Its because of most company policy of limiting the increment of new salary based on old salary.

I had face this before, where during interview, we had agreed on my salary. Then when HR reach out and asking for payslip, HR reject what was agreed with interviewer as the increment is too much.

In the end, I get 30% lesser salary than what was agreed, but interviewer willing to compensate the remaining 15% with allowance, and I have to let the remaining 15% go.

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