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Tony Pua's π₯π₯π₯ response to Gamuda, and their whining 1st kelas engineers
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Not whining 1st kelas engineers but 1st class whining engineers
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Oct 10 2018, 08:38 AM
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Oct 10 2018, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Oct 10 2018, 08:37 AM) Not whining 1st kelas engineers but 1st class whining engineers kesian, now they have to eat mixed rice for lunch. cannot makan kobe beef for breakfast liaw. so much struggles  |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:39 AM
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shot fired, mati lah gamuda
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Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM
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MMC-Gamuda just got served.
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tunggu BN macai. opps i mean 1st keras enjinur masuk...
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Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition ..
useless punya open letter |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:42 AM
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1st class engineer kena laid off ah ? hahahahahhaa means u not 1st klass la dengggggg
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Oct 10 2018, 08:42 AM
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Oct 10 2018, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. Nobody said salah. Yg useless tu macai, otak penuh taik.useless punya open letter |
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. not say wrong to sign petition, just tell gamuda employee to make a petition to their boss to do a better jobuseless punya open letter |
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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Oct 10 2018, 08:37 AM) Not whining 1st kelas engineers but 1st class whining engineers Engineers from where ah? Bangla U ke? |
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never underestimate nobita.he become much better person once doraemon habis battery...
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Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. kesian macai bodo.useless punya open letter ada ke tony kata itu salah. tony kata baik jgn buang masa, buat petition kat COMPANY DIRECTOR yang tak kena laid off tapi makan caviar untuk snack lagi bermanfaat. |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 08:39 AM) kesian, now they have to eat mixed rice for lunch. cannot makan kobe beef for breakfast liaw. Nah... they won't have to eat mixed rice for lunch, they just have to lay off their workers so that they can continue eating kobe beef for breakfast. It's a win for them because they can eat rich man food and they can proof that current government is forcing them to do so. Just as instructedso much struggles |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM
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So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected?
Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM
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DDD SSS
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Oct 10 2018, 08:45 AM
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Wait for gamuda tembak balik tony
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) Engineers from where ah? Bangla U ke? i quote you "1st Class Masterβs Degree in Civil Engineering from one of the best engineering universities in the world "by this sei sohai An Open Letter to Tun M @chedetofficial By Justin Chin Jing Ho |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:46 AM
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lol..kena backfire
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Oct 10 2018, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? kan tony kata the project is not cancelled.Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts just no longer completed by Gamuda jer.. kalau 20k lose job, hop la to the next company that will be taking overrrrrrrrr. |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:47 AM
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"Loss of jobs for no less than 20,000 people - wow!"
20k only but want to ah chee ah chor. Think of your country first The needs of the many, outweighs the needs of the few. And 20k is very few This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 10 2018, 08:48 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? Stoopid comment.Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts Did the gomen say they will STOP the project? The employees and contractors will get another opportunity when the job is awarded at a lower cost to the RAKYAT. Go back to yer hole |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 10 2018, 08:47 AM) "Loss of jobs for no less than 20,000 people - wow!" Ok sst naik extra 10%The needs of the many, outweighs the needs of the few. 20k want to ah chee ah chor. Think of your country first Think of ur country 1st |
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. Tak salah. Useful ke? Can take action ke based on petition?useless punya open letter |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:49 AM
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Since LGE is Nobita, what do we call Tony Pua? Suneo?
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Oct 10 2018, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Oct 10 2018, 08:48 AM) Tak salah. Useful ke? Can take action ke based on petition? syiok sendiri petition lul |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:50 AM
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jibai mana bahasa letter?
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What type of letter is it? got wow! some more
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Oct 10 2018, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(GonnersKL @ Oct 10 2018, 08:50 AM) jibai mana bahasa letter? 1st kelas engineer from OVERSEAS tau.mana paham BM. BM mana ada kelas to match with his edukaytionnnn. kena lah pakai BI keke. |
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. no one said is wrong la, read the letter la cbuseless punya open letter |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:52 AM
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these ppl like Petronas have a bunch of overpaid yuppies who dont know the meaning of hardwork
even stapling things together is menial and requires the hiring of 2 office clerks, one to gather 2 pieces of paper the other to staple and put it somewhere |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:52 AM
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Inb4 apesal x guna bm
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political party vs industry Captain
who will win everyone knows our national projects are overcharged except BN |
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QUOTE(saikia2046 @ Oct 10 2018, 08:50 AM) What type of letter is it? got wow! some more OPEN letter la.basically, a more formal way to floor bitches. but not doing it officially to let them save some skin lo This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 08:53 AM |
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 08:51 AM) 1st kelas engineer from OVERSEAS tau. world class first class tak kisahmana paham BM. BM mana ada kelas to match with his edukaytionnnn. kena lah pakai BI keke. ini bumi siapa ? bahasa dulu ... tak paham, balik sekolah belajar ... |
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Sometime I wonder why people always make Gov look bad.
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QUOTE(GonnersKL @ Oct 10 2018, 08:53 AM) world class first class tak kisah owaii sekolah dia kat overseas. ini bumi siapa ? bahasa dulu ... tak paham, balik sekolah belajar ...  |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:55 AM
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Projects approved by Najib are all corrupted and benefit his allies only. MMC Gamuda's sub-contractors are mainly UMNO cronies.
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Oct 10 2018, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE(gonzalo20 @ Oct 10 2018, 08:53 AM) Sometime I wonder why people always make Gov look bad. Imagine this is still BN ruling. You think this MMC Gamuda dare to bark?Now PH Govt is being more lenient and liberal with the people and media, but then you got certain quarters want to abuse that |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:56 AM
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sry double post
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Oct 10 2018, 08:57 AM
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GAMUDA just digging themselves deeper into a hole. Shit like this happens when you do business esp when its linked to a democratic government. Hanging your dirty laundry out in the media is just going to destroy you. Watch the share prices tumble again today.
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Oct 10 2018, 08:57 AM
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Bodo MMC-Gamuda going head-on against a government when most of your projects are gov initiate projects.
Kena blacklist baru sedar diri kot. |
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QUOTE(saikia2046 @ Oct 10 2018, 08:50 AM) What type of letter is it? got wow! some more I stop reading when i saw that wowCam fake je |
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Low class MP
People provoke sikit pun dah melantun Zaman BN ada ke maslan buat open letter? Kalau tak salah tak payah menggelabah Biggest majority with biggest lie |
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QUOTE(andylyc @ Oct 10 2018, 08:55 AM) Projects approved by Najib are all corrupted and benefit his allies only. MMC Gamuda's sub-contractors are mainly UMNO cronies. If the said cronies were doing good job why not? |
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? As he said, the project is not called off... will just be awarded for someone else. If thatβs the case then there will be work. Itβs just for a different company. Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts Baca pun tak reti ke? |
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Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Oct 10 2018, 08:57 AM) I stop reading when i saw that wow you want me to shoot you like how tony pua shoot gamuda?Cam fake je you know what is OPEN letter? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:00 AM
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I loved the part where the hired independent consultant was actually experienced with 80 completed projects worldwide
but official letters should not have bahasa kampung, βhellβ etc This post has been edited by terradrive: Oct 10 2018, 09:03 AM |
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maybe Tony can publish their contracts for all to see, then we'll know the excesses
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) If the said cronies were doing good job why not? UMNO cronies never did good jobs from the beginning. Sub the work many times and ended up providing inferior quality workdone. |
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) If the said cronies were doing good job why not? WHY?Because the RAKYAT has to pay for the corrupted COSTS!  |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:02 AM
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tldr.. agree with u tony..
new coy come.. sure employ u back if u good.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:03 AM
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gamuda have been slap again! Guess when dealing with government is like that.... not to mention the previously when BN offer them the job they already paid up the undertable money hence the price need to take in record the amount of undertable money given, now Pakatan turn.... so maybe they can still fork out some more undertable money to the pakatan government but in the term of discount to the ppl instead of the few high up government ppl.
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QUOTE(chickenshit36 @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) As he said, the project is not called off... will just be awarded for someone else. If thatβs the case then there will be work. Itβs just for a different company. Gamuda still has the opportunity to tender for the job. Competitively this timeBaca pun tak reti ke? |
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QUOTE(cjlio1 @ Oct 10 2018, 08:52 AM) these ppl like Petronas have a bunch of overpaid yuppies who dont know the meaning of hardwork hiring of just 2??!? that is borderline slavery oppression already! even stapling things together is menial and requires the hiring of 2 office clerks, one to gather 2 pieces of paper the other to staple and put it somewhere bare minimum need 3 ppl la one to gather paper, one to staple and another to put it somewhere  |
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Gamuda got checkmated with pure facts.
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QUOTE(boobie @ Oct 10 2018, 09:02 AM) Zaman BN terus tong simen Until to this seconds, no one can prove itβs BN job to tong simen that unlucky guyOnly talk cock AND the best part is Tun M said thereβs no dateline to cancel anti-fake news and sedition act |
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everyday new gov creating new voter to outcast them
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Oct 10 2018, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) you want me to shoot you like how tony pua shoot gamuda? Deswai i read the whole letter now lor? you know what is OPEN letter? Why so mad? Period arr? Open letter or not, the style pf writing does mimic some of the more intelectual individual here who post in /k This post has been edited by jenniferjen: Oct 10 2018, 09:06 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:06 AM
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No more tongkat for Gamuda
BTW the letter look like photocop |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:03 AM) gamuda have been slap again! Guess when dealing with government is like that.... not to mention the previously when BN offer them the job they already paid up the undertable money hence the price need to take in record the amount of undertable money given, now Pakatan turn.... so maybe they can still fork out some more undertable money to the pakatan government but in the term of discount to the ppl instead of the few high up government ppl. independent studies doesnβt include undertable moneyI guess that is why gamuda canβt discount more than 2b |
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So pro LGE top gun... really no regret voting them...
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Oct 10 2018, 09:07 AM
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Gamuda has been leeching off the government for ages, it's time to change to some other contractors, fuck them.
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 08:34 AM) This post has been edited by sam60: Oct 10 2018, 09:08 AM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 10 2018, 09:06 AM) independent studies doesnβt include undertable money So how? Undertable money already paid, budget left so much, now summoure need discount.I guess that is why gamuda canβt discount more than 2b |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:08 AM
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brutal savage rekted
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Oct 10 2018, 09:09 AM
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Chat shit get banged.
Versi MMC-Gamuda |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:09 AM
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1st class engineer come back tot got nice slice of cake...mana tau lepas ni kasi 1 slice roti kosong. lol
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Oct 10 2018, 09:09 AM
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Fk those 20k ppl
So is it ok if i open company untung besar from govt money. Then suddenly my company cnt get tongkat tender, i cry father cry mother say gonna lose job padahal past 10 yrs i been eating caviar shaking leg while others work hard.... |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:10 AM
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Btw Tun M kata betul la. Banyak malaysian bodo.
Kan dah kata terang2 open letter. But somehow got some take it as official letter. Gila peh |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(sam60 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:07 AM) fake letter. no letterhead. Itβs published in TheEdge online. So, itβs real |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 10 2018, 09:00 AM) I loved the part where the hired independent consultant was actually experienced with 80 completed projects worldwide "Hell" is already super tone down term when you are frust & angry.but official letters should not have bahasa kampung, βhellβ etc For norm ppl like us, the "F" words already flying in every sentences. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(sam60 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:07 AM) fake letter. no letterhead. Quoted for being a dumb fuck like Gamuda. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:12 AM
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so what gamuda replied?
i knew it these glc bosses/engineers are najibist who purposely want to make everything turned bad so they can paint government as a villain, while the bad decision was their own |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(tohff7 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:10 AM) Itβs published in TheEdge online. So, itβs real the author post it in edge was tony himself..u gotta be kidding me. if its not from mof then from where? letterhead tak reti buat ke? |
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. shot fire! lOluseless punya open letter |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Oct 10 2018, 09:10 AM) "Hell" is already super tone down term when you are frust & angry. Official letters leh, do you see these kind of words when HR wrote the termination letter to employees? lolFor norm ppl like us, the "F" words already flying in every sentences. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(sam60 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:07 AM) fake letter. no letterhead. Letterhead surat rasmi kerajaan sahaja. Cannot use. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:15 AM
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Open letter lah.
Need not letter head coz it's open letter... Ramai nye uneducated kat sini... |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:15 AM
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This tony pua mana tau calculation only know how to talk. I rmmbr about toll when he said cost to abolish toll on his calculation only 25bill. After PH take over and maintain the stance around 400bill to abolish toll then immediately quite.
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Oct 10 2018, 09:16 AM
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HAHA SO MUCH FUN READ THIS TERED
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Oct 10 2018, 09:17 AM
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and they layan those....why tony layan???just let them be....better put your time and effort to other thing
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Oct 10 2018, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(sam60 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:13 AM) the author post it in edge was tony himself..u gotta be kidding me. if its not from mof then from where? letterhead tak reti buat ke? Quoted for showing kebodohan in public. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:18 AM
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181 posts Joined: Mar 2009 From: Pengu world
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Ex-ECRL engineers/workforces dah dapat kerja ke belum?
Nanti nak compete dengan gamuda pula.. Lol |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:18 AM
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its very simple really
gamuda can cut more costs yet still make profit, they dont want to.. gov offer 3rd party help to rationalize cost, they dont want to.. instead keep blaming gov all these tongkat glc need to be make an example of.. if u cant deliver then u let others do la.. why play hide n seek then use social media to mobilize ur sympathies? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:19 AM
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#90
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Junior Member
451 posts Joined: Jul 2011 From: Finally... The Rock Has Come Back To Lowyat.Net!!!
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QUOTE(itik_emas @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) never underestimate nobita.he become much better person once doraemon habis battery... He is the one build doraemon to help his younger self in the past. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:20 AM
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Gamkuda oh Gamkuda
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Oct 10 2018, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(boobie @ Oct 10 2018, 09:19 AM) Thatβs why Tony layan and not the Ministry of Finance.... nope...tony better than this. so far from before,he able to carried himself well. this just not good for him. he should let LGE,the head of MOF handle.Seeing many bought the game played by mmc-gamuda.... Someone has to clarify things anyway |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:22 AM
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Damn well say Tony, Malaysia needs more patriots like u to clean up the BN shits everywhere...
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Oct 10 2018, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? problem is undertable money behind every project. those inflated costs.Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts well, if u see from a short term perspective those 20k jobs (which i think 10k of them is bangla) and 800 companies are affected, but not so terribly because they will soon absorbed by new main contractor. on the longer perspective, PH government will use serious scrutiny instead of taking manipulated bids blindly. that means a whole lot of savings in the future, because undertable money plus inflated project costs will be slashed |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 08:34 AM) |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 10 2018, 09:15 AM) Official letters leh, do you see these kind of words when HR wrote the termination letter to employees? lol Hello.It is an open letter. There is no specific format for open letter. It is written according to the writter preferances. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:24 AM
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818 posts Joined: Nov 2009 From: Not Your Business
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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ Oct 10 2018, 08:52 AM) Inb4 apesal x guna bm |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:24 AM
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486 posts Joined: Dec 2013
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Lel..tony..
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Oct 10 2018, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. Kesian tak paham bahasa inggerisuseless punya open letter |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:27 AM
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tony tony chopper!!
chop chop all nonsense |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:28 AM
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tony pua bodo, lu kasi janji lu setel dulu
 mane tol hapus? mane? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? 2b tu. Bukan 20 ringgit.Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:29 AM
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#103
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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Oct 10 2018, 09:18 AM) its very simple really those are politicians profits aka undertable money. gamuda can cut more costs yet still make profit, they dont want to.. gov offer 3rd party help to rationalize cost, they dont want to.. instead keep blaming gov all these tongkat glc need to be make an example of.. if u cant deliver then u let others do la.. why play hide n seek then use social media to mobilize ur sympathies? already paid out to them, thats why impossible to "save" |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:30 AM
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MOF trying hard to save whatever that justified by due diligence for better Malaysian public education and health. But Macai says no we need to let the cost runs high and feed the kronis, so that kronis can Financially support UMNO who got his account frozen. Remember what UMNO leader says how they are going to survive financially.
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Oct 10 2018, 09:31 AM
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the letter seems fake...
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Oct 10 2018, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(Talking-Kun @ Oct 10 2018, 09:24 AM) People seem be totally forgotten that they make a huu-haa complaining up and down on the high fare on MRT 1. Joined: Aug 2018This was an indirect result the rakyat need to bear when the gomen paid for an over-priced projects. Now to save cost by re-tender also kena complaint. The worse due to Nobita is cina, no matter what he do will kena blame. Why cina always need to take up villain roles? I think Nobita and rocket team kena game with this kind of arrangement. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(boobie @ Oct 10 2018, 09:27 AM) You sounded stupid...LGE represent the MoT now...indirectly representing the government of Malaysia... .i cant understand why you so stupid...... They canβt just shoot ppl like that with the responsibility...Meanwhile tony is not burden by the minister post.... What you donβt understand?  well....do what you want bro..been seeing all you comment before. nothing good to reason with you |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(ashportal @ Oct 10 2018, 09:28 AM) tony pua bodo, lu kasi janji lu setel dulu Still got 4.5 years. Wait la mane tol hapus? mane? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 10 2018, 09:17 AM) and they layan those....why tony layan???just let them be....better put your time and effort to other thing What do you mean let them be?What do you mean put your time to other thing? How old are you? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:34 AM
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If the ultimate purpose is to save gov money, shudnt all rakyat backed the gov ?
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Oct 10 2018, 09:34 AM
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the letter of the so called first class engineer has this in the end:
P/S: My brother Justin doesn't have a FB account thus he requested a brother in need like me to assist. lol so convenient to not disclose the real person? can check whether this so-called first class engineer is legit a? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM
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#112
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245 posts Joined: Oct 2004
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BBB Gamuda stock ON!!!!
Goreng samapai hangus !!! |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(patnam @ Oct 10 2018, 09:31 AM) the letter seems fake... Yes, seems fake. Dont really care, it hits the point to Gamuda, shameless thinking social media can proclaim they are the victim. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(patnam @ Oct 10 2018, 09:31 AM) the letter seems fake... so is your brains |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM
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487 posts Joined: May 2005 From: KL
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QUOTE(Talking-Kun @ Oct 10 2018, 09:35 AM) Hi smarty. why make dupe account, scare of using real account...?What the point you trying to make again this time? Any correlation between the account creation date with my comment? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM
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Tony Pua = 1st class clown polsec to LGE.
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Oct 10 2018, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 09:33 AM) What do you mean let them be? let those so called gamuda employee be..What do you mean put your time to other thing? How old are you? replying this and those wont change that employee mind.. better if tony and the team go to gamuda head and deal.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:38 AM
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are the company playing the blame game?
will it work in their scenario since i dont understand much of this |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:38 AM
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Government of the day has to think of the entire population and not just 20000 workers. Secondly well said by Tony on the fact that jobs are still there as the project isn't cancelled....rather the BOD of MMC Gamuda should think about how to be competitive.
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Oct 10 2018, 09:39 AM
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The next fun thing to see is how much retender gonna be
If more expensive then really clown jor |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:40 AM
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Who is the independent consulting firm? Macam secretive je...
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Oct 10 2018, 09:40 AM
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Donno real or fake...
if real then this tomny pua is low class and bodo loo ppl is could be losing their job here of coz ppl will become desperate, ppl will beg do pentition or whatsoever hoping to save their job. so tony should stop throwing salt at their wound loo... it is better to keep silent looo |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM) Yes, seems fake. i can assure you its not fake my dude. Dont really care, it hits the point to Gamuda, shameless thinking social media can proclaim they are the victim. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:41 AM
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Omg this letter malu wei, even sinkies won't like such a badly worded letter full of garbage tier grammar and pasar quotes
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Oct 10 2018, 09:42 AM
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#125
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QUOTE(Strike @ Oct 10 2018, 09:38 AM) are the company playing the blame game? not only play blame game,will it work in their scenario since i dont understand much of this they went on a social media frenzy. like doing marketing. creating save20k job hastags and what not.. toppest of the keks. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:42 AM
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excellent letter
especially the point about maximising savings rather than accepting just Rm2 billion I know at least 2 of those young Gamuda engineers Tony Pua is referring to sorry to see that they are blinded by their personal circumstances, putting their careers in front of what is good for the nation as an accountant I am totally against their views typical engineers who never think about the big picture dollars and cents |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(boobie @ Oct 10 2018, 09:39 AM) You my secret admirer?why stalk me? i love reading people comment. that is how i judge people. smart people will comment with composure and better word since to write people use most of their abilities compare to speak. speaking can make mistake or mispronunciation but writing cant.  by doing this i can screening people and make use of their input in certain situation to make the best of it. plus its good to know people who can be trust or not. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Oct 10 2018, 08:45 AM) Wait for gamuda tembak balik tony Pakai sperm?  |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:45 AM
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bn macai or few of the 20k gamuda employee masuk liaw.
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Oct 10 2018, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? Guess you prefer the 20,000 job and 800 companies affected rather than the 5 hospital or 50 schools? Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts  |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:46 AM
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Good reply. I red d letter by 1st kelass enginer grad from oberseas uni n I lol. Some big shot whine to fesbuk Becos take away his golden rice bowl. Cmonlah with his creDS n yrs of exp shud have no problem getting new jobs Walao.
Same with his gang. N Prolly 80% of the 20k PPL r lowly paid foreign labourers under a 3rd party agency. That agency will jes sign up with d new contractors. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 09:40 AM) Donno real or fake... nah. not enough salt i would say.if real then this tomny pua is low class and bodo loo ppl is could be losing their job here of coz ppl will become desperate, ppl will beg do pentition or whatsoever hoping to save their job. so tony should stop throwing salt at their wound loo... it is better to keep silent looo need to put more salt to floor these entitled whiny bitches. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(boobie @ Oct 10 2018, 09:46 AM) But this is k/...a place where you need not care the word used...only right or wrong you may not care but i care. that is why i doing what i doing. its good to have good info from smart person.Have a good day buddy  people will always judge. if you keep comment with stupidity and not thinking straight, be it you are right you will always be wrong. good day to you too |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:50 AM
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#134
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 10 2018, 09:44 AM) i love reading people comment. that is how i judge people. smart people will comment with composure and better word since to write people use most of their abilities compare to speak. speaking can make mistake or mispronunciation but writing cant. In /k???by doing this i can screening people and make use of their input in certain situation to make the best of it. plus its good to know people who can be trust or not. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Oct 10 2018, 09:50 AM) In /k??? yup...been here since 2005...loitering around without account just reading comment.just this year i register as i see some comment here is good and i think i want to know more. some do troll or even worse, but somebody dont. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:53 AM
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Gamuda workforce is only around 3,500. It's nowhere up to 20K. The 20K will likely include contractors and sub-contractors workers who are not under Gamuda's payroll.
The project is not cancelled. They are opening the underground work for open tender again. The above ground work is proceeding as schedule and Gamuda is still under contract to do the job. When the new company wins the open tender, they will still need to engage contractors and sub-contractors. In 2015, the Budget under BN for the whole project was around 20+ billion. This means that the project was awarded to Gamuda back in 2015 based on the estimated cost of 20+ billion. Today the cost have shoot up to 50+ billion. It's normal for projects to cost more than budget but more than 100% increase is just ridiculous. Anyone in business will do the same thing as PH government. |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 09:40 AM) Donno real or fake... You yang low class dan bodo. if real then this tomny pua is low class and bodo loo ppl is could be losing their job here of coz ppl will become desperate, ppl will beg do pentition or whatsoever hoping to save their job. so tony should stop throwing salt at their wound loo... it is better to keep silent looo |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Oct 10 2018, 09:34 AM) the letter of the so called first class engineer has this in the end: people's name already big big written at the very first sentence in his open letter.P/S: My brother Justin doesn't have a FB account thus he requested a brother in need like me to assist. lol so convenient to not disclose the real person? can check whether this so-called first class engineer is legit a? or u just dont know how to read? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:56 AM
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Retender is doable but given that it is now 39% progress in underground work, it will be a very massive undertaking.
The major issue is the TBM. TBMs are owned by MMC-Gamuda and also extracting TBMs from current worksite will be immensely difficult. So the major issue is the TBM. How to retrieve it safely and also is it economical for new company which win the retender to bring their own TBMs? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? Ah, even got you assigned to this news.Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts They sure is desperate. Why must they cut the hands and legs of 20000 people? |
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Oct 10 2018, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(stinky @ Oct 10 2018, 09:33 AM) Still got 4.5 years. Wait la then what is the point making that video? better at the end of the video, put if we win, wait 4.5 years for toll abolishment  |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(dps404 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:56 AM) people's name already big big written at the very first sentence in his open letter. lol u dunno how to read my question meh? I'm asking weather the so-called big big written name legit or not? someone from the pc ke?or u just dont know how to read? https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4671201 |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM
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TLDR;
gomen ask gamuda to revise price. gamuda reduce couple of underground stations, which shud save gamuda ~5b. but gamuda only offers ~2b discount, to which gomen reject. gamuda merajuk coz xdapat songlap. this reminds me of the story where 2 bothers rob 20m from a bank. after successful getaway, the younger bro say "lets count the money". older bro said "20m will take a lot of time to count", just watch the news 2nite & they will tell us how much we hav robbed. little do they know, during the robbery, the bank manager said, "since the vault is open, lets take 80m & report it as robbed by the 2 robbers". gamuda is basically the bank manager in the story. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 09:49 AM) nah. not enough salt i would say. Well like i say most of us never been in their shoes loo, what happen when on day ur boss say 'hi sorry need to terminate you coz company no money'. For most of use, we dont care company the songlap ke whatever ke, important thing is every month ada salary . bini/mistress kena kasi mkn wey. need to put more salt to floor these entitled whiny bitches. Ya maybe they whiney bitches but when if we in their situation i think we would do the same 2. For tony if the letter is true then pls be a classy person maa..be empathy to other ppl for once |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:59 AM) New company pay Gamuda a hefty price for de-mobilization. In the end, even more expensive than the deal offered...lol. Joined this morning. I think all these cost are crazy..removing TBM...later whole thing collapsed...lol. Desparate Gamuda calls for desperate measures!  |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:01 AM
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Fuck GAMUDA staff la, they lansi think they helluva great...
We MMC staff relek je... kekeke |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 09:38 AM) Government of the day has to think of the entire population and not just 20000 workers. Secondly well said by Tony on the fact that jobs are still there as the project isn't cancelled....rather the BOD of MMC Gamuda should think about how to be competitive. Have you ask is there really a 20k local worker or 5k local and 15k bangla worker. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 09:54 AM) You yang low class dan bodo. Ceh ph macai dont be this dumb pls. Pls ada empathy can ke? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:03 AM
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one question to the engineer and gamuda..
after the end of project, should the govt initiate another mega project to protect their jobs? nonsense kids |
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 Oct 10 2018, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM) lol u dunno how to read my question meh? I'm asking weather the so-called big big written name legit or not? someone from the pc ke? The big big name is legit.https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4671201 |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM) Well like i say most of us never been in their shoes loo, what happen when on day ur boss say 'hi sorry need to terminate you coz company no money'. For most of use, we dont care company the songlap ke whatever ke, important thing is every month ada salary . bini/mistress kena kasi mkn wey. DID YOU EVEN READ HIS LAST FEW PARAGRAPHS?Ya maybe they whiney bitches but when if we in their situation i think we would do the same 2. For tony if the letter is true then pls be a classy person maa..be empathy to other ppl for once This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 10:07 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(zeroskyz @ Oct 10 2018, 10:03 AM) The big big name is legit. based on hear say or? any link to his profile? he should have one since he's a professional. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:08 AM
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Lol why didn't these protect people talk abou the time in 2014 where lots of oil and gas drilling contracts was abruptly terminated to be replaced by companies with connections with cronies.
Protek culture inherited by Barisan Nasional. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM) Well like i say most of us never been in their shoes loo, what happen when on day ur boss say 'hi sorry need to terminate you coz company no money'. For most of use, we dont care company the songlap ke whatever ke, important thing is every month ada salary . bini/mistress kena kasi mkn wey. If in same situation, just look for another job, especially if they are as good as they say they are.Ya maybe they whiney bitches but when if we in their situation i think we would do the same 2. For tony if the letter is true then pls be a classy person maa..be empathy to other ppl for once But now seems like they are much better in social media management, new job opportunity there. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 10 2018, 09:53 AM) yup...been here since 2005...loitering around without account just reading comment. Good for you just this year i register as i see some comment here is good and i think i want to know more. some do troll or even worse, but somebody dont. All these years in /k, the community here had been turning more poison than before. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(ThisWorldisWeird @ Oct 10 2018, 10:09 AM) If in same situation, just look for another job, especially if they are as good as they say they are. dont forget the hashtag, need to drive the point home beroooo!!But now seems like they are much better in social media management, new job opportunity there. #Save20KJobs dont forget, these entitled scums also will start become "concerned" for the other 15k banglas that will be out of jobs SUDDENLY. before this, hari2 masuk site visit tak kesah pun nak tengok muka2 bangla ni.. suddenly now they care for them too. Limau. This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 10:12 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 10 2018, 09:37 AM) let those so called gamuda employee be.. ya, but it seems that the gamuda's head dont want to move. instead using public to gain sympathy.replying this and those wont change that employee mind.. better if tony and the team go to gamuda head and deal..  |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 10:06 AM) DID YOU EVEN READ HIS LAST PARAGRAPH? Duhh thats not we call empathy laa dupe.....ppl losing job say management fault....even it is true but in the end ph action is the reason that make ppl losing their job .... for me silent is a better.... |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:03 AM) gamuda have been slap again! Guess when dealing with government is like that.... not to mention the previously when BN offer them the job they already paid up the undertable money hence the price need to take in record the amount of undertable money given, now Pakatan turn.... so maybe they can still fork out some more undertable money to the pakatan government but in the term of discount to the ppl instead of the few high up government ppl. Keke .. agreed.. undertake billions .. now kena terminate ... haha.. a corrupted company without good social responsibility... Only sorhai will pay 4b-5b more for a project.. Guess most BN supporters not used to new and cleaner government... |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:16 AM
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What wrong to terminate Gamuda?
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Oct 10 2018, 10:17 AM
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i dont work in gamuda so i dont care.
come to think of it, i almost took gamuda final year project kek. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:13 AM) Duhh thats not we call empathy laa dupe..... because these Gamuda cunts are crying making social media campaigns and what not.. (im saying their top level, not the individual employees)ppl losing job say management fault....even it is trueΒ but in the end ph action is the reason that make ppl losing their job .... for me silent is a better.... trying to paint themselves as saints. but they are the one who DONT WANT to budge. Like tony said, they should work on offering the gov an irresistible offer that the gov cannot reject rather than fucking attention seeking self-pity bitching on the internet. but what do y'know... they wanna protect their own pockets, at the expense of their employees.. so now they ask their employees to go cry far far. This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 10:18 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(ThisWorldisWeird @ Oct 10 2018, 10:09 AM) If in same situation, just look for another job, especially if they are as good as they say they are. Is it easy to find a new job?........now properties and project is in decline. Dude my big bro in MRT2 project now scared ooo just like other ppl all hoping their job is still secure...But now seems like they are much better in social media management, new job opportunity there. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:19 AM
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next step, publish/leak gamuda directors/mgmt fees/emoluments
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Oct 10 2018, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:18 AM) Is it easy to find a new job?........now properties and project is in decline. Dude my big bro in MRT2 project now scared ooo just like other ppl all hoping their job is still secure... then ask your bro go make petition to MMC-Gamuda BOD la punde |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:20 AM
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Save 20k Gamuda employees.... Screw the millions of Malaysian citizens?
Like he said 2 billion can build how many hospitals and schools. Go tell the Malaysians from the interior and less developed places the government can't afford to build basic infrastructure and medical facilities for you because Gamuda's 20k employees ( how many of these foreigners?) more important. Or more importantly, Gamuda's songlap BS contract from the previous administration which was overpriced to "accommodate" all the crony subcon and supplier. Screw all Malaysians in general, as long as the select few live in luxury. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:20 AM
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takpe tun m akan beli tanah kubur dia, 20k org tu boleh tolong galikan 5 liang lahad
tun M Tun Siti Hasmah Marina Mukhriz Mokhzani |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:13 AM) Duhh thats not we call empathy laa dupe..... bro, in construction industry many are contract staff after job finish bye bye!ppl losing job say management fault....even it is true but in the end ph action is the reason that make ppl losing their job .... for me silent is a better.... you would think Gamuda only have the expertise to do the job? Most of it are sub out, and most workers will be reabsorb back when new Main Con takes over, unless it is a Mainland china company. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:03 AM) gamuda have been slap again! Guess when dealing with government is like that.... not to mention the previously when BN offer them the job they already paid up the undertable money hence the price need to take in record the amount of undertable money given, now Pakatan turn.... so maybe they can still fork out some more undertable money to the pakatan government but in the term of discount to the ppl instead of the few high up government ppl. Exactly. They have been spending money to lobby for the project. End up change government they lose money. That will teach them a lesson about playing money politics. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:21 AM
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semua sarahan lge
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Oct 10 2018, 10:21 AM
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Lol at comment thinking official letter and open letter are same thing
Boooooooo Dohhhhj |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(nickykee @ Oct 10 2018, 10:21 AM) semua sarahan lge nobita la |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:18 AM) Is it easy to find a new job?........now properties and project is in decline. Dude my big bro in MRT2 project now scared ooo just like other ppl all hoping their job is still secure... Kesian. Come la we donate a bit. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Oct 10 2018, 10:06 AM) based on hear say or? any link to his profile? he should have one since he's a professional. based on people who know him. no fb profile, friend help to post. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(mamasos @ Oct 10 2018, 10:16 AM) What wrong to terminate Gamuda? not terminate, is reduce budget and most macai in 20k workers will be jobless in tunnel.... only |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Oct 10 2018, 10:10 AM) Good for you oh...wait....not 2005...but 2008 iinm..2005 i was still at other forum until people introduce me to here in 2008.All these years in /k, the community here had been turning more poison than before. the community i have been before all turned poison. its the people i think.. all just want pump and shoot.... but some good people still exist here |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(skinny-dipper @ Oct 10 2018, 08:51 AM) no one said is wrong la, read the letter la cb ya lor this ppl never read the whole thingThis post has been edited by x3BabyLemon: Oct 10 2018, 10:26 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:25 AM
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in the end, everyone are selfish. Its up to you to protect yourself. Your own loss if you dont defend yourself.
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Oct 10 2018, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 10:19 AM) then ask your bro go make petition to MMC-Gamuda BOD la punde Dont look at the upper part laa punde... think about ppl at lower laaa...no project mean that the company only need to terminate lower ppl to stabilize their finance. Those upper still happy the lower camne? lower ppl like my bro mau mkn apa punde , mkn pasir ke? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(Scarfe @ Oct 10 2018, 10:24 AM) Actually Tony's Pua reply sounds unprofessional. Read again la.It is like internal company email when 2 hot headed staffs shooting each other. Haha.  So who is professional? The 2 kuda brothers in gamuda in fb? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:18 AM) Is it easy to find a new job?........now properties and project is in decline. Dude my big bro in MRT2 project now scared ooo just like other ppl all hoping their job is still secure... It's not easy to find job for every single person in the world, not just these 20k people.If the govt needs to forego what is better for the country because these people find it "not easy to find job", then why not make every decision in every sector in every issue based on how to let 28million people of Malaysia "easy to find job"? Getting retrenched, getting sacked, getting terminated, getting promotion, getting bonus, getting whatever is all part and parcel of the working world. These people think too highly of themselves, that's why they feel they are "too good" to be treated this way, this is unfair etc., when this actually can happen to anyone, why cannot happen to them? Self-entitled generation is self-entitled generation. And I'm a millennial myself but I really put my hand up and admit this generation of mine is really spoilt in this sense. Edit: I have nothing against your bro, and it's natural for him to be worried, as we all would be. But complaining on FB and viralling this non-issue is just...ridiculous (talking bout the people who do it not your bro) This post has been edited by ThisWorldisWeird: Oct 10 2018, 10:29 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 10:20 AM) bro, in construction industry many are contract staff after job finish bye bye! Keke..... asal Gamuda.. you would think Gamuda only have the expertise to do the job? Most of it are sub out, and most workers will be reabsorb back when new Main Con takes over, unless it is a Mainland china company. Sorry got to rush, entertain makan kobe, cavier and korek russian pussy cat.... losing 20k workers ok.. asal life style maintain.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 10 2018, 10:24 AM) oh...wait....not 2005...but 2008 iinm..2005 i was still at other forum until people introduce me to here in 2008. Nice trythe community i have been before all turned poison. its the people i think.. all just want pump and shoot.... but some good people still exist here Joined: Jun 2018 |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:26 AM) Dont look at the upper part laa punde... think about ppl at lower laaa... ask your brother protest mogok kerja la.no project mean that the company only need to terminate lower ppl to stabilize their finance. Those upper still happy the lower camne? lower ppl like my bro mau mkn apa punde , mkn pasir ke? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Oct 10 2018, 10:11 AM) ya, but it seems that the gamuda's head dont want to move. instead using public to gain sympathy. that because its the right move for them... now its time for tony to make the right move...making this open letter just no a right move in my opinion.. but lets see..considering this is tony we talking about. maybe he have another idea or agenda for that |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Oct 10 2018, 09:09 AM) Fk those 20k ppl maruah tercabar kenot eat caviar liaoSo is it ok if i open company untung besar from govt money. Then suddenly my company cnt get tongkat tender, i cry father cry mother say gonna lose job padahal past 10 yrs i been eating caviar shaking leg while others work hard.... |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM) Well like i say most of us never been in their shoes loo, what happen when on day ur boss say 'hi sorry need to terminate you coz company no money'. For most of use, we dont care company the songlap ke whatever ke, important thing is every month ada salary . bini/mistress kena kasi mkn wey. Be empathy???Ya maybe they whiney bitches but when if we in their situation i think we would do the same 2. For tony if the letter is true then pls be a classy person maa..be empathy to other ppl for once Lel. You 1st deal with previous BN style gomen contract ar? Why don't you deal once with BN cronies and you will know what is call "middle finger" and empathy can throw into dustbin. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Oct 10 2018, 10:11 AM) ya, but it seems that the gamuda's head dont want to move. instead using public to gain sympathy. Because even at the original tender sum, they already under-estimated plenty of stuff, budget burst from the get-go. With current situation, hahahaha |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM
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good to see more unemployment
more tax = more benda mahal toll remain. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM
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lame ass open letter. if they really want to find solution, then sit down and hash it out. dont need these clown ass parade to the public.
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Oct 10 2018, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 10:27 AM) Nice try if you read my comment before i said i have been here around that time just reading comment. can do that even i am not register.Joined: Jun 2018 so now i register. anything wrong with that? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(slaveone @ Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM) lame ass open letter. if they really want to find solution, then sit down and hash it out. dont need these clown ass parade to the public. What are you talking?Read the letter again la. Tak paham bahasa inggeris? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM) good to see more unemployment 4 more years you can vote BN againmore tax = more benda mahal toll remain. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:34 AM
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Now Gamuda shares will soar above the skies & beyond bounds we could never think of.
Sorry we doubted you LGE |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:34 AM
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Kek. Fight fire with fire
playing innocence card in public kena shoot back with open letter  |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 10:32 AM) 4 more years you can vote BN again why must vote BN? parti kunci cannot? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) Engineers from where ah? Bangla U ke? got several associates of mine grad from BUET aka bangladesh university of engineering and technology and they are excellent in what they are doing just because they are Bangladeshis they are worse than our uitm grads |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(Scarfe @ Oct 10 2018, 10:32 AM) Kind of surprise gomen's official letter sounds like that. stupid little fuck.Official should response differently even though the 2 guys responded in such as way. That is why I said macam 2 staffs shooting each other. The rest of ppl in the loop eat pop corn, read, and laugh. where does it say official letter or response? idiot like bn macai. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(Scarfe @ Oct 10 2018, 10:32 AM) Kind of surprise gomen's official letter sounds like that. And we're not complaining. Official should response differently even though the 2 guys responded in such as way. That is why I said macam 2 staffs shooting each other. The rest of ppl in the loop eat pop corn, read, and laugh. Imagine if our government everyday so boring do things by the book no drama no issues  |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:35 AM
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Oct 10 2018, 10:35 AM
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Anybody here work wit gamuda n getting vss soon?
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Oct 10 2018, 10:35 AM
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BODO GAMUDA..thinks public pressure can make nobita make uturn. woi u see nobita hair now extra skema woi..shows his rock like determination.
BODO GAMUDA...u bloody got billions of contract in your hand already and you are saying u cannot value engineer your project to meet the Gomen's budget. your staff are bloody incompetent..LOLZ |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:36 AM
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Now Tony Pua Suneo oso follow LGE Nobita level pi layan war of words
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Oct 10 2018, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(boobie @ Oct 10 2018, 08:57 AM) As if 20000 can only work in MRT and no other construction project kek People have families and loans to payAnd the impact to economy with 20k jobless will be severe |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 10:36 AM) People have families and loans to pay ya. 15k banglas got lots of house and cc loans to pay.And the impact to economy with 20k jobless will be severe topkek |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2018, 10:36 AM) Now Tony Pua Suneo oso follow LGE Nobita level pi layan war of words Lol who is Gian then? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 10:36 AM) People have families and loans to pay BODO if they are good the next main con confirm will take them lah. save them time from training staff from scratch. so if you are really good engineer no problem lar. unless you are shitAnd the impact to economy with 20k jobless will be severe MAS staff..oil and gas staff...100k plus retrench oso no whine like 3000 gamuda staff(probably will get hired by new maincon oso) stupid GAMUDA BOD..just renego the fucking contract lar..u prolong what for...penny wise pound foolish..idiots |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(slaveone @ Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM) lame ass open letter. if they really want to find solution, then sit down and hash it out. dont need these clown ass parade to the public. u try work in gov bro.. sometimes companies dont want to budge.. so the only way is to delay decision or open the market..in this case, the gov decided to open the market via retender. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2018, 10:36 AM) Now Tony Pua Suneo oso follow LGE Nobita level pi layan war of words yup......we can only see while eating popcorn |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:44 AM
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Sorry... Support gomen... Millions Malaysian and their kids is more important then 20k jobs....
Gomen shuold not be pressured by greedy private entity... |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:45 AM
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stupid mmc-gamuda.. if theyre soooo confident w their offering, just go and bid again and prove it that theyre the best lah instead of abusing social media to gain sympathy.
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Oct 10 2018, 10:45 AM
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Oct 10 2018, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(Scarfe @ Oct 10 2018, 10:43 AM) Lols. you must be a certified idiot then. you didnt even have a point.Dah lah itu. A bit call ppl stupid. Cannot even argue a point. You must be never involve in job that deal with issuing official statement to customer. dah2 go back to the cave you crawled out from. This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 10:47 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) If the said cronies were doing good job why not? cronies will never related to good job.furthermore, why pay extra for a ok contractor rather than pay lesser for a better contractor? This post has been edited by skinny-dipper: Oct 10 2018, 10:50 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(@rleng @ Oct 10 2018, 10:45 AM) stupid mmc-gamuda.. if theyre soooo confident w their offering, just go and bid again and prove it that theyre the best lah instead of abusing social media to gain sympathy. I really wonder why the decision maker there would think using social media would be a wise move. It gains attention yes presently, but will definitely affect their future prospectsi bet its gonna be tough for them to get any future projects looking at how the handle things right now |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:18 AM) The letter long winded but didnt say anything new LGE said already. Tony Pua is the one who brought this consultant in, FOC service. Very dangerous to just make such a huge decision based on one report.My question, who is this "independant consultant"? Are they tied to Gamuda's competitors? If i am doing business, i would also not reveal all my cost to you, of course its trade secret! Anyone knows who is this "independant consultant"? This will tells a lot of stories behind if we can shed some light on this. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Scarfe @ Oct 10 2018, 10:48 AM) You are right on this. I dint noticed above. My apologies.  Very rare got people in /k will admit mistakes when they make one. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(slaveone @ Oct 10 2018, 10:30 AM) lame ass open letter. if they really want to find solution, then sit down and hash it out. dont need these clown ass parade to the public. lame ass never do reading .. hahatransparency is clown ass parade, undertable is sit down and talk ? |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:54 AM
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Tony Pua single-handedly brought down the entire BN and 1MDB.
Gamuda should not piss him. |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:55 AM
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those bought gamuda share can go higher to jump edi lol
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Oct 10 2018, 10:56 AM
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Waiting Gamuda next action
this is so much popcorn time... Dai sei gamuda |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(jurkflash @ Oct 10 2018, 10:56 AM) Waiting Gamuda next action gamuda ppl every day eat at cafe,high class place..suddenly u ask me go eat zhap fan everyday i also dont want hahhathis is so much popcorn time... Dai sei gamuda |
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Oct 10 2018, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) If the said cronies were doing good job why not? If a project is inflated way above the original cost, I'm pretty sure even you or anyone else can do a good job, if not better. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(KcX35 @ Oct 10 2018, 10:55 AM) those bought gamuda share can go higher to jump edi lol mana ada... buy low sell high... now is the time to go all in. Gamuda wont die with just one mrt project cancelled. in LGE & Najib's tongue, "fundamental is strong". Gamuda still got many other project running. MRT is like a big piece of steak while they are eating many other side dishes at the same time |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:00 AM
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bodo first keras enginur.. time to save up and eat zap fan instead
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Oct 10 2018, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 09:58 AM) Ah, even got you assigned to this news. For 2 billion savings i dont feel it worth itThey sure is desperate. Why must they cut the hands and legs of 20000 people? 20k jobs and 800 companies and 1-2 years delay Lets hope this just gov tactic to ask gamuda cut their profit margin further |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? Woof woofSorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(unforg1ven @ Oct 10 2018, 10:51 AM) lame ass never do reading .. haha lol another trooper.transparency is clown ass parade, undertable is sit down and talk ? |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 10 2018, 11:00 AM) bodo first keras enginur.. time to save up and eat zap fan instead He showing us that academic results =/= intelligence |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 10 2018, 11:00 AM) bodo first keras enginur.. time to save up and eat zap fan instead got zhap fan better than hunger haha |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:06 AM
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Oct 10 2018, 11:06 AM
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fuh gila laju tered ni. f1 pun kalah
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Oct 10 2018, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:01 AM) LGE sapu a lot of Gamuda shares already after making it down. Now waiting to make it go up and enjoize. LOLFM |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(ThisWorldisWeird @ Oct 10 2018, 11:02 AM) He showing us that academic results =/= intelligence Before may be he can find new job easily.... Now... Iol..... |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Oct 10 2018, 11:06 AM) fuh gila laju tered ni. f1 pun kalah break neck news ma.edge pun kalah. Tony Pua October 10, 2018 09:37 am +08 http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/open-letter-mmcgamuda |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:18 AM) The letter long winded but didnt say anything new LGE said already. Joined: Today, 07:10 AMMy question, who is this "independant consultant"? Are they tied to Gamuda's competitors? If i am doing business, i would also not reveal all my cost to you, of course its trade secret! Anyone knows who is this "independant consultant"? This will tells a lot of stories behind if we can shed some light on this. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:10 AM
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I wonder when they'll realize that their online marketing/publicity campaign would backfire as bad as it did for BN.
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Oct 10 2018, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Oct 10 2018, 08:37 AM) Not whining 1st kelas engineers but 1st class whining engineers True storeyz. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 11:09 AM) Joined: Today, 07:10 AM many fake acc |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:12 AM
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True story. I got 2 be end macai staff working for my company. Both ladies from Pahang. Die die they will ignore Najib's corruption and believe he is innocent despite all the police raid.
My conclusion is that they are blinded by racism that they cannot see a chinese as FM. This is the same behaviour that we see from the be end dogs. They are so blind beyond stupidity because they are plain racist. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(x3BabyLemon @ Oct 10 2018, 11:12 AM) many fake acc gamuda 1st keras engenius out of job dy ma.too much free time now |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:13 AM
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I suspect...when get project gamuda already paid off middle men kot...now already pay and no project. Hahhaa
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Oct 10 2018, 11:14 AM
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lol tony pua go abolish toll 1st la
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Oct 10 2018, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(ashportal @ Oct 10 2018, 09:28 AM) tony pua bodo, lu kasi janji lu setel dulu I like how when the government does something right, the troopers will invade the area and talk about tolls and ptptn and shit and how it hasnβt happened. mane tol hapus? mane? Real fucktards. They are the ones deserving to be out of a job |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:15 AM
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Just I had suggested, go and demo at their boss houses. Gamuda boss should make an offer the government cannot refuse
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Oct 10 2018, 11:15 AM
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later MACC visit them
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Oct 10 2018, 11:16 AM
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To ensure smooth handover, MMC-Gamuda should consider selling the TBMs to new contractor that will take up the project.
Otherwise, bringing new set of TBMs will be disruptive. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:16 AM
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You all want to talk about Gamuda. Have you forgotten that a certain big boss sold his majority shares for billions. If he is so concerned about his baby why sell off the shares?
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Oct 10 2018, 11:17 AM
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Nice letter by Tony Pua.
He socked it to Gamuda nicely. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:17 AM
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Anyone can recall the china railway north double track story?
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Oct 10 2018, 11:19 AM
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Ga(h) not so muda(h) LOL
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Oct 10 2018, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 11:13 AM) gamuda 1st keras engenius out of job dy ma. hahahhaatoo much free time now |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Oct 10 2018, 09:09 AM) Fk those 20k ppl You had explained how tongkat-su going in MalaysiaSo is it ok if i open company untung besar from govt money. Then suddenly my company cnt get tongkat tender, i cry father cry mother say gonna lose job padahal past 10 yrs i been eating caviar shaking leg while others work hard.... |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(sam60 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:07 AM) fake letter. no letterhead. ehh hello u know what is open letter anot? |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:25 AM
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I don't know why Malaysians are so fixated about MRT. Is it going to result in Economic Growth for the country? Emphasis should be placed on Education, infrastructure to facilitate tourism and exports. How is the kampung people going to enjoy MRT? 50 schools and 5 hospitals from 2 billion savings is better for economic growth. Imagine building more schools in East Malaysia. More local contractors can get jobs.
So far jibby's infrastructure plan only benefits Bangla by creating employment for them, free intercity buses. Bodoh kepala bapok. This post has been edited by JoLee: Oct 10 2018, 11:27 AM |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 09:10 AM) Btw Tun M kata betul la. Banyak malaysian bodo. government change but some people still stop at 80's wtfKan dah kata terang2 open letter. But somehow got some take it as official letter. Gila peh |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Oct 10 2018, 11:16 AM) You all want to talk about Gamuda. Have you forgotten that a certain big boss sold his majority shares for billions. If he is so concerned about his baby why sell off the shares? Which company |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:28 AM
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Hopefully this won't be another sst like disaster for Pua.. Not sure bout the so called independent con sultant but at the end rakyat may suffer.. Still sceptical bout the new tender as it will not only delay the process but also may not give cheaper price as gamuda already won the previous tender with lowest bid..
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Oct 10 2018, 11:28 AM
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nice response. fukken flipped the bottle in their faces
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Oct 10 2018, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(chickenshit36 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:14 AM) I like how when the government does something right, the troopers will invade the area and talk about tolls and ptptn and shit and how it hasnβt happened. kau je yg rase gov does something rightReal fucktards. They are the ones deserving to be out of a job go fark urself |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 11:26 AM) Which company The major face of the company. Chinese guy. Sold for tax planning. Google is your friend. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(ashportal @ Oct 10 2018, 09:28 AM) tony pua bodo, lu kasi janji lu setel dulu awk lagi bodo -.- adoi tolong la jgn show yr stupidity mane tol hapus? mane? |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:31 AM
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This show that this government can play the media game as well... so it push gamuda back to the discussion table or walk away
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Oct 10 2018, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:01 AM) LGE sapu a lot of Gamuda shares already after making it down. Now waiting to make it go up and enjoize. Boy, I hope you have a source to backup your claim or your handler will give you access to good lawyer. I will tag in LGE facebook your accusation and let see how this goes. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(september2 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:31 AM) People keep saying this as if it is an accepted fact but I have yet to see any concrete evidence that backs up this claim. People that say that is oppo macai. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? Why should the government be responsible for private companies' profit and jobs? Should the government be giving out overpriced projects to create "jobs"?Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM
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banyak orang in the share forums (i3) bising
cuz past few years all the research analysts and ah ma ah kau said buy gamuda, RM 4, RM 5 also buy Gamuda, best proxy to large civil tender works and public infrastructure works. hahahahaha fukken burn f u k k e n b u r n |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(x3BabyLemon @ Oct 10 2018, 11:30 AM) awk lagi bodo -.- adoi tolong la jgn show yr stupidity u sgt syg tony just say la |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Oct 10 2018, 09:36 AM) why make dupe account, scare of using real account...? scare ppl know him is dumb and stupid |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:59 AM) If the said cronies were doing good job why not? LOL topkek |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM
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I like this new Malaysia so transparent
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Oct 10 2018, 11:35 AM
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all the engineers infected by tongkat mentality ledi, expect the gomen and the rakyat to pay for their jobs, salary, bonus etc |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(ashportal @ Oct 10 2018, 11:29 AM) kau je yg rase gov does something right Being transparent and factual in responding is not something right? Whatever numbers that are wrong there u are welcome to research and shoot. go fark urself Najib era do we get this? All smoke and mirrors u Donno what shit is going on. Stop living in Najib era la. Ur head still in the sand bro. No wonder ur farked. Jobless right? |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:36 AM
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kek,
tony is kind enouf to post an open letter to mmc, if back in those blackday-cb-govaman-cblink mtfkers, I bet there will no reply whatsoever. mmc only cares about profit, who giv a fk?! |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM) banyak orang in the share forums (i3) bising now they need to spin in forum to back up analyse. cuz past few years all the research analysts and ah ma ah kau said buy gamuda, RM 4, RM 5 also buy Gamuda, best proxy to large civil tender works and public infrastructure works. hahahahaha fukken burn f u k k e n b u r n |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? More like admit that Gamuda want/have to reward the old BN cronies whom are the reason this contract was procured to Gamuda in the first place.Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Oct 10 2018, 11:30 AM) The major face of the company. Chinese guy. Sold for tax planning. Google is your friend. us share kakis.. we know gamuda kudos to them for putting up a great big show with their 1st keras engineers though. big big kudos. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:37 AM
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Lol 20000 ppl from 800 companies that do no other project other than mrt2 underground tunneling, that is a super good planning
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Oct 10 2018, 11:37 AM
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Understanding Malaysian businesses i think what Garmuda is doing is the good ol'Chinaman logic (tho one might argue that this is not reserved to our local chinese only)
dealing with businesses in malaysia i realise theres one thing, we dont compare in relative cost and profit to gobal standards, instead we compare to our own standards. So given if a cost of an item is say RM100, then local business seeks to increase 20% profit Margin to RM120, but global Market rate is RM110. They will argue to death and threaten "not to do the deal" despite most of these treats being hollow. Likewise, they compare then the global rate is higher, ie if an item can be sold for RM150 in SG, they would argue that they should too sell at RM150 or more, totally ignoring the social economics of both countries. In a way, for some reason, our local businesses big and small seem to think that the world revolves around them. Maybe its a malaysian thing, but for a nation that is relatively young and small to be this arrogant is unwise |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:38 AM
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wow .. interesting ..
mof vs gamuda round 1 fight so intense.. waiting for round 2.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Oct 10 2018, 11:33 AM) banyak orang in the share forums (i3) bising One mrt project "re-tender" only, share price cirit biritcuz past few years all the research analysts and ah ma ah kau said buy gamuda, RM 4, RM 5 also buy Gamuda, best proxy to large civil tender works and public infrastructure works. hahahahaha fukken burn f u k k e n b u r n Something wrong la |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:39 AM
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Oct 10 2018, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:42 AM) excellent letter Hi, we really need more accountant in lowyat because most people here cannot count and think they are the Americans who canespecially the point about maximising savings rather than accepting just Rm2 billion I know at least 2 of those young Gamuda engineers Tony Pua is referring to sorry to see that they are blinded by their personal circumstances, putting their careers in front of what is good for the nation as an accountant I am totally against their views typical engineers who never think about the big picture dollars and cents just print more money to spend. QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Oct 10 2018, 10:00 AM) TLDR; Sorry cannot follow your story, if gamuda is trying to benefit by unproportional decrease in tender price due to the far more less work reduced,gomen ask gamuda to revise price. gamuda reduce couple of underground stations, which shud save gamuda ~5b. but gamuda only offers ~2b discount, to which gomen reject. gamuda merajuk coz xdapat songlap. this reminds me of the story where 2 bothers rob 20m from a bank. after successful getaway, the younger bro say "lets count the money". older bro said "20m will take a lot of time to count", just watch the news 2nite & they will tell us how much we hav robbed. little do they know, during the robbery, the bank manager said, "since the vault is open, lets take 80m & report it as robbed by the 2 robbers". gamuda is basically the bank manager in the story. who is the 2 brothers that rob the bank ?? Are you implying that Umno companies are the 2 brothers who subcontract the Gamuda work ? If you want to put up an analogy to the government reduced gamuda tender story then pls make it clear who is who.. QUOTE(grahamaker123 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:08 AM) Sohai, Good explanation but the harapan government has inherited more debts than it can handle.as a taxpayer I don't want 2 bil to be wasted just like that. MRT corp hired a consortium to advise on the costing and techincal aspects of the project. Back in BN time, they sign whatever amount to their backers in contract value, the higher the contract value the more to share among the kronies. Now the government tell you they can save money that comes from your tax-dollars which can be used to built something more beneficial to you, you say you rather they waste the 2 bil. It is free market and free job market. If someone else bid and win the contract, the engineers and all 20,000 people can just apply for job at the contract winner who will definitely need the manpower to build the project anyways. For example the late Tun Razak Umno government enacted the Majlis Amanah Rakyat Act 1966 (Revised 1992) where subsequent Umno government interprete it as establishing the largest university in the world consisting of 55,000 Malay only Uitm. The harapan government still has to give MYR1 billion grant to Uitm each year far more than the 5 other non racist university like UM UTM USM UPM etc. Some Uitm students can not get jobs and there are 265k PTPTN defaulters. Some MYR31billion given out as PTPTN loan still not repay and likely 70% cannot be repaid will become bad debts. So MYR20 billion that umno has created now the new government has to handle. But I think Dr Mahathir and the Pakatan harapan does not have the courage to abolish the Majlis Amanah Rakyat Act 1966 (Revised 1992) although it bring PTPTN debts to many Malay students studing useless courses and degree. "Stop Fake Education that indebt the Malaysian students now" refer https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2018/06/...w-travel-abroad https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...t-through-1mdb/ Gamuda has to prove it has the project management skills to tender and get awarded job in place other than Malaysia so it can prove its competitiveness. So has Gamuda expended oversea yet ? Did Gamuda completed any tunnel projects oversea although it has set up a tunnel college etc Refer https://mymrt-underground.com.my/company/tta/ This post has been edited by 2malaysia: Oct 10 2018, 11:43 AM |
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Oct 10 2018, 11:39 AM) One mrt project "re-tender" only, share price cirit birit si tau also sell 70%Something wrong la upcar jor lah.. LOL |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 11:36 AM) now they need to spin in forum to back up analyse. sudah kena margin call lahbuntut panas liao  |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:01 AM) LGE sapu a lot of Gamuda shares already after making it down. Now waiting to make it go up and enjoize. ini good case for MACC tau. "insider trading". |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Oct 10 2018, 11:25 AM) I don't know why Malaysians are so fixated about MRT. Is it going to result in Economic Growth for the country? Emphasis should be placed on Education, infrastructure to facilitate tourism and exports. How is the kampung people going to enjoy MRT? 50 schools and 5 hospitals from 2 billion savings is better for economic growth. Imagine building more schools in East Malaysia. More local contractors can get jobs. Ride on trendwagon pandai jerSo far jibby's infrastructure plan only benefits Bangla by creating employment for them, free intercity buses. Bodoh kepala bapok. Wa outside county got mrt, we also want but find out if say sgp, 3 km distance 20 minutes mrt ride + 10 minutes walk vs 10 minutes drive door to door - immmediate drive jer Just look at the general election for example ( iwanna vote for better future, love my country, help my beloved homeland yadayada) , and what's the turnout rate for voters on that by-election day ? Personally i have few friends are like that, hoo haa about mrt too, but maybe take once a month only |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Oct 10 2018, 11:42 AM) ini good case for MACC tau. "insider trading". or law suit incoming from LGE |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 10 2018, 11:37 AM) Understanding Malaysian businesses i think what Garmuda is doing is the good ol'Chinaman logic (tho one might argue that this is not reserved to our local chinese only) the behaviour you refer to is not "Chinaman logic" as I understand it at allChinaman logic is more like, scrimp on all sorts of ancillary costs in order to undercut competition, be it local or global This behaviour you describe is pure UMNO profiteering, popularised by who else - Dr M |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(2malaysia @ Oct 10 2018, 11:39 AM) Hi, we really need more accountant in lowyat because most people here cannot count and think they are the Americans who can To be fair, UiTM students should get less loan from ptptn. Ive heard from their own mouth that they practically do not really to pay to uitm.. so the loan money goes to women, new hp, and even motorcyclejust print more money to spend. Sorry cannot follow your story, if gamuda is trying to benefit by unproportional decrease in tender price due to the far more less work reduced, who is the 2 brothers that rob the bank ?? Are you implying that Umno companies are the 2 brothers who subcontract the Gamuda work ? If you want to put up an analogy to the government reduced gamuda tender story then pls make it clear who is who.. Good explanation but the harapan government has inherited more debts than it can handle. For example the late Tun Razak Umno government enacted the Majlis Amanah Rakyat Act 1966 (Revised 1992) where subsequent Umno government interprete it as establishing the largest university in the world consisting of 55,000 Malay only Uitm. The harapan government still has to give MYR1 billion grant to Uitm each year far more than the 5 other non racist university like UM UTM USM UPM etc. Some Uitm students can not get jobs and there are 265k PTPTN defaulters. Some MYR31billion given out as PTPTN loan still not repay and likely 70% cannot be repaid will become bad debts. So MYR20 billion that umno has created now the new government has to handle. But I think Dr Mahathir and the Pakatan harapan does not have the courage to abolish the Majlis Amanah Rakyat Act 1966 (Revised 1992) although it bring PTPTN debts to many Malay students studing useless courses and degree. "Stop Fake Education that indebt the Malaysian students now" refer https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2018/06/...w-travel-abroad https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...t-through-1mdb/ Gamuda has to prove it has the project management skills to tender and get awarded job in place other than Malaysia so it can prove its competitiveness. So has Gamuda expended oversea yet ? Did Gamuda completed any tunnel projects oversea although it has set up a tunnel college etc Refer https://mymrt-underground.com.my/company/tta/ Of course some courses are good. Such as qs, architecture etc.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Oct 10 2018, 11:44 AM) Ride on trendwagon pandai jer In many case driving is cheaper and more convenient than taking mrt!Wa outside county got mrt, we also want but find out if say sgp, 3 km distance 20 minutes mrt ride + 10 minutes walk vs 10 minutes drive door to door - immmediate drive jer Just look at the general election for example ( iwanna vote for better future, love my country, help my beloved homeland yadayada) , and what's the turnout rate for voters on that by-election day ? Personally i have few friends are like that, hoo haa about mrt too, but maybe take once a month only |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Oct 10 2018, 11:39 AM) One mrt project "re-tender" only, share price cirit birit they lost hsr this year tooSomething wrong la |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:47 AM
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NEVER NEVER TRUST all the Change asking for sympathy
Some of it is FAKE as shit ! Like this one ! |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(kennykong85 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:36 AM) kek, Maybe should just do it Tun M style, send MACC to check all the transactions and deals with govt projects of MMC Gamuda, sure they shutup.tony is kind enouf to post an open letter to mmc, if back in those blackday-cb-govaman-cblink mtfkers, I bet there will no reply whatsoever. mmc only cares about profit, who giv a fk?! |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:42 AM) excellent letter I believe there must be huge amount of kickback and undertable earlier, hence there's no way to go any lower else they not making profit after taking into consideration the undertable already paid out to previous...... especially the point about maximising savings rather than accepting just Rm2 billion I know at least 2 of those young Gamuda engineers Tony Pua is referring to sorry to see that they are blinded by their personal circumstances, putting their careers in front of what is good for the nation as an accountant I am totally against their views typical engineers who never think about the big picture dollars and cents |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:45 AM) the behaviour you refer to is not "Chinaman logic" as I understand it at all well based on personal experience, i tend to find it not unique to chinaman to skimp on all sorts of costs, actually i find that americans tend to do it worse. Chinaman logic is more like, scrimp on all sorts of ancillary costs in order to undercut competition, be it local or global This behaviour you describe is pure UMNO profiteering, popularised by who else - Dr M i wont call it UMNO profiteering, or its popularised by anyone. Malaysians tend to operate in a rather secluded bubble and think the world revolves around them, which tend to influence their business decisions that lead to obvious failures. you see the same mentality with wages, "we should earn more" without comparing productivity and qualification; then compare to our neighbouring country to wages without considering their social economics of it. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Oct 10 2018, 11:25 AM) I don't know why Malaysians are so fixated about MRT. Is it going to result in Economic Growth for the country? Emphasis should be placed on Education, infrastructure to facilitate tourism and exports. How is the kampung people going to enjoy MRT? 50 schools and 5 hospitals from 2 billion savings is better for economic growth. Imagine building more schools in East Malaysia. More local contractors can get jobs. i have only ridden in MRT only once, since i ride kapchai mostly.So far jibby's infrastructure plan only benefits Bangla by creating employment for them, free intercity buses. Bodoh kepala bapok. however i think that MRT, although underutilised now, is a very good alternative for people who dont have car/bikes on their own. Stations are spacious, generally clean, train is long and should be able to acommodate lotsa passengers compared to overcrowded LRTs. Those who lives in Kajang & sg Buloh can commute down to city centre KL escaping the jam. If i live in either Kajang/Sg Buloh and work in KL, i dont mind alternating between riding and taking mrt to work. songlap aside, i would have to say this this is the only good thing najib has done for Klang Valley ppl during his tenure as PM. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(ThisWorldisWeird @ Oct 10 2018, 11:50 AM) Maybe should just do it Tun M style, send MACC to check all the transactions and deals with govt projects of MMC Gamuda, sure they shutup. Speaking of which any official statement from them? |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(AyamBannedTwice @ Oct 10 2018, 09:05 AM) Until to this seconds, no one can prove itβs BN job to tong simen that unlucky guy but the tong simen is indeed happened in zaman BN, be it who done that...Only talk cock AND the best part is Tun M said thereβs no dateline to cancel anti-fake news and sedition act back to Gamuda case, this will never happen in BN era ok... BN has been used to 'buying expensive' (not corrupt), kan? |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(hammer2018 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:12 AM) Did you miss the memo about other additional taxes to be this Nov? i would rather pay more tax knowing it will be used to improve the country, than pay less tax knowing it's going into crooks & cronies pocketsSoon you will be contributing so that you can think of our country 1st! |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(dps404 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:46 AM) they lost hsr this year too some more going to PR war with MoF. they forgot LGE is ex-CM of Penang? Also, Penang state government most likely need Federal funding for the Penang Transport Masterplan |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 11:46 AM) In many case driving is cheaper and more convenient than taking mrt! You are right. For me it takes 15 minutes to walk to Paramount to catch the LRT to KL Sentral and then walk another 10 minutes to catch the MRt to Maluri, then another 10 minutes walk to my office. How is this practical? I need to change train and spend 35 minutes walking on a hot day.Unless petrol reaches RM6 a liter I am going to drive to work. That is the price of petrol in NZ. |
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Oct 10 2018, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 10 2018, 09:15 AM) Official letters leh, do you see these kind of words when HR wrote the termination letter to employees? lol Open letter lah bodo. Tak faham pergi la google sikit. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(eddystorm @ Oct 10 2018, 11:55 AM) Open letter lah bodo. Tak faham pergi la google sikit. ei bodoyou wrote like that where got people take you seriously write professionally la its not like youβre working in the slums |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Oct 10 2018, 10:54 AM) You are right. For me it takes 15 minutes to walk to Paramount to catch the LRT to KL Sentral and then walk another 10 minutes to catch the MRt to Maluri, then another 10 minutes walk to my office. How is this practical? I need to change train and spend 35 minutes walking on a hot day. take LRT until Pasar Seni Station and Interchange to MRT Unless petrol reaches RM6 a liter I am going to drive to work. That is the price of petrol in NZ. Save you 10 minute Walking time from KL Sentral Station to MRT Museum Station |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 09:44 AM) So just want to save Rm2 billion you jeopardizing 20,000 job and 800 companies affected? but the project will still on the the new contract might even hiring more 20K (if when zero corruption new contract vs the MMC Gamuda high corruption portion)Sorry this is wrong decision Tony as the impact to economy is more than 2 billion you wanna saved and to roll back the project with new contracts will trigger delays and more millions Just admitted that the gov want to reward your backers and cronies with the contracts |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 10 2018, 12:00 PM) ei bodo dah2 tak yah nak cover up bodo lulzyou wrote like that where got people take you seriously write professionally la its not like youβre working in the slums |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(grahamaker123 @ Oct 10 2018, 11:08 AM) Sohai, That will be 1-2 years for retendering and restartingas a taxpayer I don't want 2 bil to be wasted just like that. MRT corp hired a consortium to advise on the costing and techincal aspects of the project. Back in BN time, they sign whatever amount to their backers in contract value, the higher the contract value the more to share among the kronies. Now the government tell you they can save money that comes from your tax-dollars which can be used to built something more beneficial to you, you say you rather they waste the 2 bil. It is free market and free job market. If someone else bid and win the contract, the engineers and all 20,000 people can just apply for job at the contract winner who will definitely need the manpower to build the project anyways. How they wanna pay their loans and feed their families while waiting? This is 20 000 jobs impacted Lets hope you dont get laid off in the future and someone said to you relax la wait for another 1-2 years to get back your salary |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 10 2018, 11:51 AM) well based on personal experience, i tend to find it not unique to chinaman to skimp on all sorts of costs, actually i find that americans tend to do it worse. wow that is quite surprising to me QUOTE i wont call it UMNO profiteering, or its popularised by anyone. Malaysians tend to operate in a rather secluded bubble and think the world revolves around them, which tend to influence their business decisions that lead to obvious failures. guilty, but hey, I'm just limiting my scope to Msians and what they do, which in this case would be UMNO and Madey QUOTE you see the same mentality with wages, "we should earn more" without comparing productivity and qualification; then compare to our neighbouring country to wages without considering their social economics of it. that is the usual financial illiteracy of the average Joe |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 12:02 PM) but the project will still on the the new contract might even hiring more 20K (if when zero corruption new contract vs the MMC Gamuda high corruption portion) That will be 1-2 years for retendering and restarting projectTBM need nearly 1 year to install and assemble on site So easily you ask 20k ppl to wait 1-2 years? They have families to feed and loan to pay |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 10 2018, 12:00 PM) ei bodo Once again this is an open letter...nvm lazy to bash liao. you wrote like that where got people take you seriously write professionally la its not like youβre working in the slums A "serious open letter" is really fuckin blow my mind. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:15 PM
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Can anyone kindly share the open letter from the freshly 1st class graduate ?
Googled but couldnβt find it |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Oct 10 2018, 12:15 PM) Can anyone kindly share the open letter from the freshly 1st class graduate ? NahGoogled but couldnβt find it |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:05 PM) That will be 1-2 years for retendering and restarting project It's amazing that these all 20k ppl need to be spoon feed by govt.TBM need nearly 1 year to install and assemble on site So easily you ask 20k ppl to wait 1-2 years? They have families to feed and loan to pay |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:42 AM) excellent letter I have a few friends who are engineers too. I dunno why la, but engineers are most topkek people I've seen when it comes to handling money. especially the point about maximising savings rather than accepting just Rm2 billion I know at least 2 of those young Gamuda engineers Tony Pua is referring to sorry to see that they are blinded by their personal circumstances, putting their careers in front of what is good for the nation as an accountant I am totally against their views typical engineers who never think about the big picture dollars and cents A little more research, they should be able to make better choices for every ringgit they have. But nope, they're always the gullible waterfish that is easy prey. Or because i also accountant, i am far more careful with my spending, and i like to do a lot of research before committing to something, but i think there are also reckless accountants, but still compared to engineers, dunno why they're very bad :facepalm: |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:05 PM) That will be 1-2 years for retendering and restarting project walao eh, ur asking tongkat level really geng ler. TBM need nearly 1 year to install and assemble on site So easily you ask 20k ppl to wait 1-2 years? They have families to feed and loan to pay |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Oct 10 2018, 12:17 PM) It's amazing that these all 20k ppl need to be spoon feed by govt. Its not getting spoonfeedAs gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(skinny-dipper @ Oct 10 2018, 12:19 PM) walao eh, ur asking tongkat level really geng ler. Its not getting spoonfeedAs gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:22 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed and here you are thinking small!As gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger RM2b can built 5 hospital or 50 schools! and we have the rest of the population not staying in mrt areas how ah? Saya putar halim? and BTW please send IRB / MACC to check on the top management & families of MMC and Gamuda? |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(trollminator @ Oct 10 2018, 12:24 PM) many BN cybertroopers flexing their muscles here..LEL their master have much to lose. But do you realized that so far no official statement from the directors of MMC-Gamuda? |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 12:28 PM) their master have much to lose. they can play the delay game.. splash issue 10 years 'nego' for lower price in the end also can. But do you realized that so far no official statement from the directors of MMC-Gamuda? shows u the management's mindset |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 12:26 PM) and here you are thinking small! 50 schools? 50 hospital?RM2b can built 5 hospital or 50 schools! and we have the rest of the population not staying in mrt areas how ah? Saya putar halim? and BTW please send IRB / MACC to check on the top management & families of MMC and Gamuda? Last i check we dont have 20k ppl cannot admitted to schools and hospitals Yes it is overcrowded but not until ppl go bankrupt coz they cant pay their loans or kids go starving because their parents out of jobs 20,000? People go jobless is not small matter |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:30 PM
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Oct 10 2018, 12:31 PM
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park dulu nanti cari kawan suruh explain.
dulu tgk video dia pasal tol. harini kawan dia nak tutup jalan. cancel juga katanya. maybe dia kene tiru kawan dia punya haircut. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 01:23 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed the project is not terminated. The contract onlyAs gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger The new company win the project maybe created even more job . more than 20k possible? |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(trollminator @ Oct 10 2018, 12:24 PM) many BN cybertroopers flexing their muscles here..LEL Not just here, in /k all is their thread.Their master must be pushing them to work more because PD election is coming. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:30 PM) 50 schools? 50 hospital? Please dun insult the people of Sabah and Sarawak!Last i check we dont have 20k ppl cannot admitted to schools and hospitals Yes it is overcrowded but not until ppl go bankrupt coz they cant pay their loans or kids go starving because their parents out of jobs 20,000? People go jobless is not small matter |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:33 PM
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GAMUDA agreed first but at the end rejected to provide their costing to government due to it's "trade secret".
I think those management level are over costing to keep their pocket full kao kao! |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(eddystorm @ Oct 10 2018, 12:08 PM) Once again this is an open letter...nvm lazy to bash liao. a serious open letter is known as press statement lol A "serious open letter" is really fuckin blow my mind. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:18 AM) The letter long winded but didnt say anything new LGE said already. MinconsultMy question, who is this "independant consultant"? Are they tied to Gamuda's competitors? If i am doing business, i would also not reveal all my cost to you, of course its trade secret! Anyone knows who is this "independant consultant"? This will tells a lot of stories behind if we can shed some light on this. One of those Alibaba CON-sultant companies |
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QUOTE(sifumalaysia @ Oct 10 2018, 12:33 PM) GAMUDA agreed first but at the end rejected to provide their costing to government due to it's "trade secret". Some money also have to go back to some govt servant pocket. How la to show the costing.I think those management level are over costing to keep their pocket full kao kao! |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:22 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed I rarely see a company run only solely based on 1 project, and that is true, that company deserve to gulung.As gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger I think the 20k claim is highly over-rated statement. Might as well say 30k or 40k.... |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(ibrahim @ Oct 10 2018, 12:38 PM) Nahhh. Both lost as government need to pay compensation. the amount maybe around 2 bil plus a lawsuit. If the gomen pay, it |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:40 PM
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Oct 10 2018, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:23 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed Govt didn't laid off these 20k ppl. Gamuda and the 800 companies did. They took the risk of only having 1 source of income (govt project) and this is the consequences they need to face. As gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger One man's loss is another man's gain. Just because these ppl you sympathized so much didnt get the job, doesn't mean other ppl won't get it. So the job supplies are still there. Seriously what's wrong with jobless? Go find another job then. Spend less. Manage personal finance. There are always job offers. Ppl are just too demanding for good pay. I got sack before, but am still alive. Impact economy eh. Big words. Sorry not an expert in economics but since you said think big, ya. I do think slashing costs serves better benefits for the time being. |
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Tony has a point there. Why should Gamuda not disclose breakdown of the contract estimates? Trade secret my ass. There are database of current prices of materials, labours, machines etc. unless there has bee gross inflation of prices, there should be no reason why Gamuda does not wish to disclose
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:42 AM) excellent letter As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs.especially the point about maximising savings rather than accepting just Rm2 billion I know at least 2 of those young Gamuda engineers Tony Pua is referring to sorry to see that they are blinded by their personal circumstances, putting their careers in front of what is good for the nation as an accountant I am totally against their views typical engineers who never think about the big picture dollars and cents The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 08:44 AM) Engineers from where ah? Bangla U ke? Most likely the british one in semenyih |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:47 PM
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denial. Later atuk award to his crony double the cost. Next year epf give low yield people cry havoc |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(cedyy @ Oct 10 2018, 12:42 PM) Tony has a point there. Why should Gamuda not disclose breakdown of the contract estimates? Trade secret my ass. There are database of current prices of materials, labours, machines etc. unless there has bee gross inflation of prices, there should be no reason why Gamuda does not wish to disclose Disclose liao see see 1 b2 pen charged as rm150. How to justify?? |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 01:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. u are engineer how you know the costing? only contract dept or QS knew. your statement not balance.The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Oct 10 2018, 12:41 PM) Govt didn't laid off these 20k ppl. Gamuda and the 800 companies did. They took the risk of only having 1 source of income (govt project) and this is the consequences they need to face. Well said, I got sacked before tooOne man's loss is another man's gain. Just because these ppl you sympathized so much didnt get the job, doesn't mean other ppl won't get it. So the job supplies are still there. Seriously what's wrong with jobless? Go find another job then. Spend less. Manage personal finance. There are always job offers. Ppl are just too demanding for good pay. I got sack before, but am still alive. Impact economy eh. Big words. Sorry not an expert in economics but since you said think big, ya. I do think slashing costs serves better benefits for the time being. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:50 PM
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20pg summary
tp/lge supporter: - save money build 50 schools - /ktards dont understand how accounting works - 20k can find other jobs - gamuda relied on gov project only gamuda supporter: - 20k need income to support family - /ktards dont understand how engineering works - 20k not easy find other job - letter doesnt sound official edited as requested by LordDenning This post has been edited by asphiroth: Oct 10 2018, 01:09 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 12:28 PM) their master have much to lose. Wher need official statements. Sudah main race card n jobless card. But do you realized that so far no official statement from the directors of MMC-Gamuda? Now ask macai2 at ground do work to incite public outrage. If successful nx year every dirextors n top mgmt can change new bmw/ferrari. The 20k?? Maybe 2-4k ppl loss job due to "restructuring" |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. Work underground in international firm crunching numbers for engineering purpose, but not the account who did the crunching numbers for total overall cost. The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Oct 10 2018, 12:41 PM) Govt didn't laid off these 20k ppl. Gamuda and the 800 companies did. They took the risk of only having 1 source of income (govt project) and this is the consequences they need to face. And to some they still don't know why some of these sub con only to got customer that is kamude.... Lol Masian me ang senang tipu mia... Lol..One man's loss is another man's gain. Just because these ppl you sympathized so much didnt get the job, doesn't mean other ppl won't get it. So the job supplies are still there. Seriously what's wrong with jobless? Go find another job then. Spend less. Manage personal finance. There are always job offers. Ppl are just too demanding for good pay. I got sack before, but am still alive. Impact economy eh. Big words. Sorry not an expert in economics but since you said think big, ya. I do think slashing costs serves better benefits for the time being. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Oct 10 2018, 12:15 PM) Can anyone kindly share the open letter from the freshly 1st class graduate ? Tat person claimed no social media account including facebook punya. 26years old....so fren help post. Exist in fb onlyGoogled but couldnβt find it |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. Yeah well it's your word against other engineer wordThe consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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I think both sides should reveal what sort of changes made on elevated section where the agreed cost have been reduced from 22 billion to 17 billion.
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Oct 10 2018, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:30 PM) 50 schools? 50 hospital? Why cannot share the Costing with the Gov? why is it a trade secret, I give you money for project but i cannot know the costing and i need to pay you as you see fit? this kind of project you also can Accept? Or i am wrong in this? please explain further?Last i check we dont have 20k ppl cannot admitted to schools and hospitals Yes it is overcrowded but not until ppl go bankrupt coz they cant pay their loans or kids go starving because their parents out of jobs 20,000? People go jobless is not small matter |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. come share to us what is ur experience in doing costing and manage cost...The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. Another first class master engineer lai liaoThe consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:22 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed why shuld the gomen buy the bill of 20k ppl when gomen have to be accountable for 30mil ppl?As gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger |
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Oct 10 2018, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. lets play spot the gamuda engenius. The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(asphiroth @ Oct 10 2018, 12:50 PM) 20pg summary you forgot to add those dungu who cant tell what is open letter vs official letter. tp/lge supporter: - save money build 50 schools - 20k can find other jobs - gamuda relied on gov project only gamuda supporter: - 20k need income to support family - /ktards dont understand how things works in engineering - 20k not easy find other job pls edit! |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) Ek eleh .. since when its wrong to sign a petition .. Pemahaman kau ke laut bro.useless punya open letter |
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Tony Pua is right and wrong at the same time. He claimed the money can be use else where such as hospitals and schools which is very good. I hope they keep their promise on such bold statement.
2nd. If their so called consultant managed to save cost, might as well ask the consultant company to do the job. As a Malaysian, I am ok with that too, since cheaper than Gamuda.( But if this so called consultant company cant deliver and have to asked the same TBM team to do the job, then we got more drama to watch, if this happen I wonder how PH will eat their own words) END OF THE DAY ALL MALAYSIAN RUGI coz too much DRAMA. Faster finish the project. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:06 PM
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Oct 10 2018, 01:07 PM
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Oct 10 2018, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 08:41 AM) tunggu BN macai. opps i mean 1st keras enjinur masuk... BN macai got college grads? |
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:06 PM) Tony Pua is right and wrong at the same time. He claimed the money can be use else where such as hospitals and schools which is very good. I hope they keep their promise on such bold statement. Consultant =/= construction. The gist here is consultant said cost can be lower but mmc said lower abit only n REFUSE to share cost data to compare with the consultant data2nd. If their so called consultant managed to save cost, might as well ask the consultant company to do the job. As a Malaysian, I am ok with that too, since cheaper than Gamuda.( But if this so called consultant company cant deliver and have to asked the same TBM team to do the job, then we got more drama to watch, if this happen I wonder how PH will eat their own words) END OF THE DAY ALL MALAYSIAN RUGI coz too much DRAMA. Faster finish the project. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:06 PM) Tony Pua is right and wrong at the same time. He claimed the money can be use else where such as hospitals and schools which is very good. I hope they keep their promise on such bold statement. deswai he ask those topkek 1st kelas engenius rather than make petition on change.org or cry father cry mother, go petition to their boss directors to come up with a solution that is irresistible to the government.2nd. If their so called consultant managed to save cost, might as well ask the consultant company to do the job. As a Malaysian, I am ok with that too, since cheaper than Gamuda.( But if this so called consultant company cant deliver and have to asked the same TBM team to do the job, then we got more drama to watch, if this happen I wonder how PH will eat their own words) END OF THE DAY ALL MALAYSIAN RUGI coz too much DRAMA. Faster finish the project. but what their boss director choose to do instead? come up with social media kempen toppest kek. when they can save 5b instead of just 2b, the government NOW has duties owed to the Rakyat to ensure every drop of penny saved/spent is used wisely. PS: gomen wanted to continue the contract with MMC-Gamuda if they can give the 5b or so cut in costs, but Gamuda die die dont want to budge and say can only cut 2bn. So who to blame? directors want to keep fat fat pocket, macai worker jugak yang kena kan. This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 01:13 PM |
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:06 PM) Tony Pua is right and wrong at the same time. He claimed the money can be use else where such as hospitals and schools which is very good. I hope they keep their promise on such bold statement. Item 1.2nd. If their so called consultant managed to save cost, might as well ask the consultant company to do the job. As a Malaysian, I am ok with that too, since cheaper than Gamuda.( But if this so called consultant company cant deliver and have to asked the same TBM team to do the job, then we got more drama to watch, if this happen I wonder how PH will eat their own words) END OF THE DAY ALL MALAYSIAN RUGI coz too much DRAMA. Faster finish the project. Tony Pua mentioned that the additional costs worth XX hospitals and XX schools... he didn't mean to spend it there. it's cost savings, not budget reallocation. Item 2. Project is already more than 60% completed. going for another consultant means loss for monies paid to Gamuda. Don't forget Gamuda has already overfed. I don't see this as DRAMA.. but correction of past government. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(nearlee @ Oct 10 2018, 01:07 PM) >lulz 21 pages Nearlee  |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(party @ Oct 10 2018, 01:08 PM) Consultant =/= construction. The gist here is consultant said cost can be lower but mmc said lower abit only n REFUSE to share cost data to compare with the consultant data so did the consultant share their calculation too in details? come open to public. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Oct 10 2018, 09:08 AM) So how? Undertable money already paid, budget left so much, now summoure need discount. not asking for discount though. asking for competitive and fair pricing for the people who takes the public transport and taxpayers, bro. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Oct 10 2018, 01:11 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Don't forget Gamuda has already overfed. I don't see this as DRAMA.. but correction of past government. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:15 PM
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is it the TBM's is about 39% inside the tunnel?
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Oct 10 2018, 01:15 PM
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consultant will definitely be lower so that PH can use it as excuse to renego/terminate current contract.
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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Oct 10 2018, 12:41 PM) Govt didn't laid off these 20k ppl. Gamuda and the 800 companies did. They took the risk of only having 1 source of income (govt project) and this is the consequences they need to face. simply said,, these 800 companies have just overspent to hire 20000 non essential jobs for a project (contractual positions)... sounds like ICU hiring to feed BN MACAIs.One man's loss is another man's gain. Just because these ppl you sympathized so much didnt get the job, doesn't mean other ppl won't get it. So the job supplies are still there. Seriously what's wrong with jobless? Go find another job then. Spend less. Manage personal finance. There are always job offers. Ppl are just too demanding for good pay. I got sack before, but am still alive. Impact economy eh. Big words. Sorry not an expert in economics but since you said think big, ya. I do think slashing costs serves better benefits for the time being. |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. Then very easy. Gamuda just have to show how the cost is derived. Sign a non disclosure agreement. Very easy right?The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. If it is justified then I don't see why pakatan will insist so vehemently |
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QUOTE(ycs @ Oct 10 2018, 01:15 PM) is it the TBM's is about 39% inside the tunnel? TBM Is not really unique, it been around for a least a hundred years. Everywhere in the world that needs to build underground train uses this technique.i thought TBM is a specialised and unique machine, no one else will have? |
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QUOTE(Botak__ @ Oct 10 2018, 01:18 PM) TBM Is not really unique, it been around for a least a hundred years. Everywhere in the world that needs to build underground train uses this technique. what i mean, its unique to that project in terms of its specs, diameter, etcother companies have identical TBM's to takeover the job? |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:23 PM
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Gov = want the best deal at best price
Gamuda = want the project to "save" 20k ppl For those who make noise, instead of growing some balls and backbones to pressure their boss to come up with something good, they are trying to force the client to "buy their products" at an unjustifiable price. Which is long term solution and which is short term, go figure yourself. But I must say the tongkat mentality is strong |
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 12:04 PM) wow its surprising if you dont think about it, its one of those things that are hiding in plain sight due to reverse racism - white people can do no wrong.that is quite surprising to me guilty, but hey, I'm just limiting my scope to Msians and what they do, which in this case would be UMNO and Madey that is the usual financial illiteracy of the average Joe but if you think about it, walmart being a cost leader is very well documented to be nasty with their staff. Most of the richest and celebrated are also quite "chinaman", warren buffett openly admits he pays his people less , theres neutron jack (ex- CEO of GE - Jack Welch) and many others. its just that if a white man does it, he is hailed as a visionary but if an asian does it, he is called a stingy fuck. Well im not sure if i would blame UMNO and Mahafiraun, but i cant say you are wrong either |
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QUOTE(ycs @ Oct 10 2018, 02:22 PM) what i mean, its unique to that project in terms of its specs, diameter, etc easy laother companies have identical TBM's to takeover the job? other companies just buy the TBM from Gamuda will do. Ada wang ada everything ma. beside that TBM are useless from gamuda |
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QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Oct 10 2018, 01:23 PM) Gov = want the best deal at best price yupGamuda = want the project to "save" 20k ppl For those who make noise, instead of growing some balls and backbones to pressure their boss to come up with something good, they are trying to force the client to "buy their products" at an unjustifiable price. Which is long term solution and which is short term, go figure yourself. But I must say the tongkat mentality is strong yup and yup |
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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Oct 10 2018, 01:11 PM) Item 1. dude, talk is easy.. He said they can do other projects too. Well where are the other projects that we have now for these 20k ppl? No right? again talk is easy and always no solution. Oh ya, we gonna have 3rd national car too, Hooray! ( sarcasm ) I wonder how many hospital and school can be use on that fund.Tony Pua mentioned that the additional costs worth XX hospitals and XX schools... he didn't mean to spend it there. it's cost savings, not budget reallocation. Item 2. Project is already more than 60% completed. going for another consultant means loss for monies paid to Gamuda. Don't forget Gamuda has already overfed. I don't see this as DRAMA.. but correction of past government. We all know that BN did a bad job, but is PH doing better? time will prevail |
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:06 PM) Tony Pua is right and wrong at the same time. He claimed the money can be use else where such as hospitals and schools which is very good. I hope they keep their promise on such bold statement. Consultants are not contractor laaa...different scope of work2nd. If their so called consultant managed to save cost, might as well ask the consultant company to do the job. As a Malaysian, I am ok with that too, since cheaper than Gamuda.( But if this so called consultant company cant deliver and have to asked the same TBM team to do the job, then we got more drama to watch, if this happen I wonder how PH will eat their own words) END OF THE DAY ALL MALAYSIAN RUGI coz too much DRAMA. Faster finish the project. |
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Oct 10 2018, 01:16 PM) Then very easy. Gamuda just have to show how the cost is derived. Sign a non disclosure agreement. Very easy right? Cost is not a secret. If it is justified then I don't see why pakatan will insist so vehemently Even mark up is not a secret. |
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QUOTE(ohman @ Oct 10 2018, 01:29 PM) Cost is not a secret. total cost is not, but the itemise of it could be secret e.g package dealEven mark up is not a secret. |
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 01:24 PM) easy la ppl thought the Gamuda can use the TBMs for other things in msiaother companies just buy the TBM from Gamuda will do. Ada wang ada everything ma. beside that TBM are useless from gamuda LEL they have no other contracts, in fact after MRT1 they sold 2 TBMs to India. anyone can play the wait game. TBMs depreciation on Gamuda's book looks way worse than leasing or offloading it at 0 orderbook. this is an example of an entrenched status quo player. ppl are jumping for joy when TM got hammered with MSAP, when the big 3 telcos were hammering it out on the battlefield, when big developers are forced to top up their land levies and premiums, when minimum wages are levied onto SMEs and labour intensive industries. yet, this one tabuleh ini majiam. i gotta feed 10k banglas, 2k indo tealadies, 5k freshie first keras engineers, and 3k management |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:22 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed It seems you are the one think smaller; asking government to protect a minority (20K) profit while letting the nation to bleed!As gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger I don't see there is any impact to economy and consumer spending; if such project intended to re-award again to market. At the end, the loser to be Gamuda and the 20k employee is not as 20k employee is not small number and the said 20k also is rarely available in market easily. So, they can find jobs with new incoming contractor. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(bugijun @ Oct 10 2018, 01:27 PM) Consultants are not contractor laaa...different scope of work that why, talk is easy. Many consultant talked a lot, do they worked or had any experience with TBM before? No right? If this so called consultant got TBM experience, I am sure Tony Pua will raise voice "our consultant worked on TBM before as an lead". Now I start to wonder which construction company want to take over it? |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 10 2018, 10:34 AM) got several associates of mine grad from BUET aka bangladesh university of engineering and technology and they are excellent in what they are doing I say, my apologies to Banggla grads just because they are Bangladeshis they are worse than our uitm grads  β¦...uitm |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(ycs @ Oct 10 2018, 01:22 PM) what i mean, its unique to that project in terms of its specs, diameter, etc Well, those that will be tendering the project definitely have a way of procuring it. I donβt really think the technology is a big issue here. other companies have identical TBM's to takeover the job? I think the issue is if the cost saving to cover the retendering/delay/compensation cost is justifiable, and the governent should be transparent about this or it be another scandal/tongkat/cronies issue again. This post has been edited by Botak__: Oct 10 2018, 01:44 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:38 PM) that why, talk is easy. Many consultant talked a lot, do they worked or had any experience with TBM before? No right? If this so called consultant got TBM experience, I am sure Tony Pua will raise voice "our consultant worked on TBM before as an lead". how about you actually read and digest? Now I start to wonder which construction company want to take over it? you think they hire some cikai consultant? "Independent consulting engineers employs 500 staff and completed 80 projects in 24 countries." |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 12:43 PM) As an enginner who work in reputable international firm and gt experience in underground, I called that bs. i'm surprised non of the people here gives a shit that the consultant that claimed 5b savings is possible has no experience in underground or tunneling works.The consultant they hired have no experience in underground construction and tunneling. Their imaginary 5 billion saving is a joke once construction started. I bet they still havent factored in all the remobilsation and delay costs and impacts. I strongly believe that if termination happens we will end up pay more for less. Typical accountant who only know look at the balance sheet. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:46 PM
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just let new contrator company take over under tunnel project finishing it with lower cost, then people would silent up
lowering construction cost helps to lower/ maintain low public transport fare, encouraging more ppl to travel on mrt. it takes longer time to break even but getting more volume would do financially well in future. look back at the monorail case, since it up its price so much i also did not take it a long time ago. kl sentral to imbi station: from rm1.60 up to rm3.10 now (cash basis) |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(dps404 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:45 PM) i'm surprised non of the people here gives a shit that the consultant that claimed 5b savings is possible has no experience in underground or tunneling works. and how you know the consultant do not?you know which consultant they used kah? This post has been edited by LordDenning: Oct 10 2018, 01:47 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 01:46 PM) and how you know the consultant do not? they claim 'i work in the industry'you know which consultant they used kah? padahal copypaste template je i hear in the industry these consultants tarak daging mia tok kok aja |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 01:40 PM) I say, my apologies to Banggla grads sometimes just mingle around with them, I say we malaysians are really lucky lot lah. β¦...uitm here we got no earthquake, got clean water, got electricity, can simply put tent anywhere we like and start trading our foods others? |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:48 PM
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Engineers now 5 figures, after new co got the contract, these engineers become 4 figures? Supply more than demand. How?
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Oct 10 2018, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 01:44 PM) how about you actually read and digest? is this the same consultant that do the study for our imaginary penang tunnel?you think they hire some cikai consultant? "Independent consulting engineers employs 500 staff and completed 80 projects in 24 countries." |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(dps404 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:45 PM) i'm surprised non of the people here gives a shit that the consultant that claimed 5b savings is possible has no experience in underground or tunneling works. Who is the independent consultant? |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Oct 10 2018, 01:48 PM) they claim 'i work in the industry' "I hear i hear".. give source lah, u just make assumptions based on hearsay only. You dont even know the company also. Tok kok is easypadahal copypaste template je i hear in the industry these consultants tarak daging mia tok kok aja |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:53 PM
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its GAMUDA best interest not to escalate the issue,
IF not Penang Transport Master Plan will also be review |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 10 2018, 01:23 PM) its surprising if you dont think about it, its one of those things that are hiding in plain sight due to reverse racism - white people can do no wrong. Fuhhhbut if you think about it, walmart being a cost leader is very well documented to be nasty with their staff. Most of the richest and celebrated are also quite "chinaman", warren buffett openly admits he pays his people less , theres neutron jack There's a name I haven't heard in a long long while Buffett is Chinaman to the core, no surprise there Of course I don't mean to say that America is entirely "Chinaman" free I just mean that it is not a commonly known let alone dominant trait of American business practices. The people you mention are standouts and the exceptions rather than the norm But well I haven't had any professional dealings with them lar, so... |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:55 PM
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Why suddenly so many "anjingnier" here,
come ph macai fast2 plotek ur master |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(dps404 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:45 PM) i'm surprised non of the people here gives a shit that the consultant that claimed 5b savings is possible has no experience in underground or tunneling works. Whoβs the consultant? Normally consultants will tell the client what the client wants to hear. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 01:44 PM) how about you actually read and digest? Did you even bother to read my comment and digest too? My fair question to the consultant is very straight forward, did the consultant worked on TBM before? Do know that TBM is very niche in terms of engineering. you think they hire some cikai consultant? "Independent consulting engineers employs 500 staff and completed 80 projects in 24 countries." |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:57 PM
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why engineers and workers need to sign petition, can get compensation. There is always workers unions and rights. Those really manipulating the issue are managers, executives and directors....
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Oct 10 2018, 01:57 PM
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First of all you need 2k engineer to to MRt underground project?
Secondly gouvernment give compensation, so can compensate your staff for 2-3 months at lest. Lastly, they can negotiate with gouvernment to lower the price to be more competitive. |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:55 PM) Did you even bother to read my comment and digest too? My fair question to the consultant is very straight forward, did the consultant worked on TBM before? Do know that TBM is very niche in terms of engineering. and would it not be better to assume that they do have at the very least some experience since they are being hired to consult?? |
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Oct 10 2018, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 01:46 PM) and how you know the consultant do not? you know which consultant they used kah? QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Oct 10 2018, 01:48 PM) they claim 'i work in the industry' padahal copypaste template je i hear in the industry these consultants tarak daging mia tok kok aja QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 01:50 PM) Who is the independent consultant? QUOTE(Drivingmoc118 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:55 PM) Whoβs the consultant? Normally consultants will tell the client what the client wants to hear. MinconsultNo underground and tunneling experience at all. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 01:59 PM) Minconsult comparing this consultant to Arup. goodness.No underground and tunneling experience at all. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(ibrahim @ Oct 10 2018, 02:00 PM) come one. Do you work at that blue warehouse ka? No i dont, and it was a genuine question. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Oct 10 2018, 12:18 PM) I have a few friends who are engineers too. I dunno why la, but engineers are most topkek people I've seen when it comes to handling money. those engineers who are financially literate, are extremely good accountants - if there are more of them, you and I will be out of a jobA little more research, they should be able to make better choices for every ringgit they have. But nope, they're always the gullible waterfish that is easy prey. Or because i also accountant, i am far more careful with my spending, and i like to do a lot of research before committing to something, but i think there are also reckless accountants, but still compared to engineers, dunno why they're very bad :facepalm: but the vast majority are geeks, always focus on specs and capacities with zero business sense because they always want the spec to be perfect or the best, rarely willing to compromise for the sake of cost, and have tunnel vision (ironically in this case) with only regard for their own project and not the big picture |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:04 PM
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Actually no need to tok so much... wait until the new underground tunnel contract was awarded...
If it is less than Gamuda... then we can fk Gamuda If it is more than Gamuda.. then we can fk PH, LGE and Tony Pua So damn easy.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 01:53 PM) Fuhhh Yea its not commonly known cause of the marketing and reverse racism, but it is quite common.There's a name I haven't heard in a long long while Buffett is Chinaman to the core, no surprise there Of course I don't mean to say that America is entirely "Chinaman" free I just mean that it is not a commonly known let alone dominant trait of American business practices. The people you mention are standouts and the exceptions rather than the norm But well I haven't had any professional dealings with them lar, so... one of my friends in banking would complain that her bosses in US would increase her KRA by 20-30% cause our ringgit dropped. Damn even the most chinaman side of me thought that was nasty |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:05 PM
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Stopped reading when he goes loyar buruk.
Wasted my time. Please be professional. Stupid fuck. This post has been edited by shirohamada: Oct 10 2018, 02:05 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Oct 10 2018, 02:04 PM) Actually no need to tok so much... wait until the new underground tunnel contract was awarded... ini betul..If it is less than Gamuda... then we can fk Gamuda If it is more than Gamuda.. then we can fk PH, LGE and Tony Pua So damn easy.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 01:59 PM) and would it not be better to assume that they do have at the very least some experience since they are being hired to consult?? Assumption in engineering can kill, engineers don't assume.Now start to question our dear politician's integrity of hiring consultants. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:06 PM) Assumption in engineering can kill, engineers don't assume. Engineers are also as straight as a ruler.Now start to question our dear politician's integrity of hiring consultants. Everything is binary. You cannot be yes and no, in and out at the same time |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:06 PM) Assumption in engineering can kill, engineers don't assume. nvm i got my answer already. above poster said minconsult with no experience in tunneling works.Now start to question our dear politician's integrity of hiring consultants. and like the poster above me said. simple only now. either gamuda walk back in with tail between their legs and comply and willing to compromise with government or hire new firm to finish the job.. either way, 1) if it can indeed be done at a much lower cost like the consultants have proposed, then gamuda will get fucked by the rakyat 2) if end up still the same costs or with more problems, then rakyat will fuck PH, LGE and Tony instead. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Oct 10 2018, 02:04 PM) Actually no need to tok so much... wait until the new underground tunnel contract was awarded... Guess what, they will lower the specs and tender out at lower cost. Den will claim money is saved.If it is less than Gamuda... then we can fk Gamuda If it is more than Gamuda.. then we can fk PH, LGE and Tony Pua So damn easy.. The money saved will then used to paid for compensation, increased in costs due to delays, remobalisation, retendering exercise and so much more. I bet their half baked consultant dun advise them how much the retendering process will cost. End up tax payers pay more/pay the same amount for lower specs. This post has been edited by weyyt: Oct 10 2018, 02:10 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 01:46 PM) and how you know the consultant do not? It's already mentioned in this thread if u bother to read.you know which consultant they used kah? |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(davkong @ Oct 10 2018, 02:11 PM) It's already mentioned in this thread if u bother to read. aya u again..join in the fray |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Oct 10 2018, 02:04 PM) Actually no need to tok so much... wait until the new underground tunnel contract was awarded... either way the biggest losers will be the rakyat.If it is less than Gamuda... then we can fk Gamuda If it is more than Gamuda.. then we can fk PH, LGE and Tony Pua So damn easy.. all these contractors tendering for mega projects in Malaysia will probably add in political risk into their budget in the future. This post has been edited by dps404: Oct 10 2018, 02:14 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(ibrahim @ Oct 10 2018, 02:10 PM) oh come on... how you can brag about this even without knowing who that MOF consultant was.? is it bragging when i merely quoted what Tony said in his open letter?are you brain dead? |
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:38 PM) that why, talk is easy. Many consultant talked a lot, do they worked or had any experience with TBM before? No right? If this so called consultant got TBM experience, I am sure Tony Pua will raise voice "our consultant worked on TBM before as an lead". Tony said"Should we instead question why MMC Gamuda had initially agreed to, but subsequently refused to share costing data with the independent consulting engineer to justify its cost, claiming βtrade secretsβ? Now I start to wonder which construction company want to take over it? so how u explain this ? gamuda seem guilty |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 02:59 PM) Minconsult pls explain thisNo underground and tunneling experience at all. Should we instead question why MMC Gamuda had initially agreed to, but subsequently refused to share costing data with the independent consulting engineer to justify its cost, claiming βtrade secretsβ? |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Oct 10 2018, 12:22 PM) Its not getting spoonfeed Kindly tell that to the sick old patients having to constantly return to public hospitals to collect their medication just because the government has insufficient funds to give them 3 months supply of medicine.As gov you need to make decision whether you want to save rm2 billions or laid off 20k ppl For me rm2billions saving is not justifying of letting 20k ppl to jobless for some time That 20k and 800 companies also means impacting the economy from reduced consumer spending and other supply chains Think bigger Substantial money saved here can be diverted to other areas where it is really needed. This post has been edited by observ: Oct 10 2018, 02:16 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Oct 10 2018, 02:12 PM) aya u again..join in the fray Sure la kuching. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:20 PM
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Sohai LGE i already say sure conlanfirm u-turn again. Few days ago say terminate now say "considering"
Puiiii lousy PH government, not sure then dont simply open your stupid mouth |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:15 PM) pls explain this I have no info on this.Should we instead question why MMC Gamuda had initially agreed to, but subsequently refused to share costing data with the independent consulting engineer to justify its cost, claiming βtrade secretsβ? My view is that if u ald bid for a project and win the tender on agreed amount, it is not required for a company for sharing their costs and reveal how much their profit margin to third party, even to government. Even more not to a ciplak consultant. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:21 PM
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Lel.. macai BN semua dah mengamuk..
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Oct 10 2018, 02:21 PM
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Oct 10 2018, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(party @ Oct 10 2018, 12:54 PM) Tat person claimed no social media account including facebook punya. 26years old....so fren help post. Exist in fb only Justin's FB account |
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:03 PM) those engineers who are financially literate, are extremely good accountants - if there are more of them, you and I will be out of a job Best example is Proton. Always brag they got engineering capabilities to build own car. But they suck balls at being humble, knowing what people want and giving it to the people.but the vast majority are geeks, always focus on specs and capacities with zero business sense because they always want the spec to be perfect or the best, rarely willing to compromise for the sake of cost, and have tunnel vision (ironically in this case) with only regard for their own project and not the big picture Their target market don't care about design, yet Proton give so much face to Azlano. Wasting time and money, they think design makes people buy essentially obsolete Honda accord, should've saved money and continue rebadge accordana. People want Toyota engine, when Perodua offered them, they reject. If only Iriz had the dual vvt-i powertrain, maybe they don't have to be tongsaned. But oh well, having tongsan come in and give them huge bitchslaps is a blessing. Dr Li come in straight say need to improve kangkung dish (clearly implying about the entire culture and process in Proton), ask vendors cut 30%. Azlano still daydream as ever, he's really blind to see he is rubbish and unnecessary cost and time waster. X70 don't need any redesign except changing logo, yet he perasan it makes people wanna buy it. The grille redesign also copycat Subaru grille, yet wanna claim it's to do with our local culture kek. |
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QUOTE(ibrahim @ Oct 10 2018, 03:20 PM) sorry laa sound like you protek something. thought you work there. Gamuda is also guilty claiming βtrade secretsβ?Go figure. how that 'consultant ' work. I wouldn't dare to share any information with them if I'm a contractor too. there are plenty of trustable consultants out there.. MOF no money to hire the best ka for sake of rakyat? |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(AllRockstar @ Oct 10 2018, 02:22 PM) More please, more blame the rakyat. good for the government. good for new Malaysia. another Sep 2018 trooper dupeI don't give a fuck, still better than racist UMNO cunts QUOTE(party @ Oct 10 2018, 12:54 PM) Tat person claimed no social media account including facebook punya. 26years old....so fren help post. Exist in fb only I dunno what he claimedbut I know at least two engineers on the TBM project who fit the description in fact they've been circulating info on socmed too, and that was the first thing I heard about this Gamuda business actually |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:24 PM) Sharing cost is one of the most bodoh statement from Tony Pua. If you are running your businees...you supply source and pricing is your key advantage. Who in the right mind will give away all that? Like that how to do business next time? but the current mof and the previous mof is different govt.Furthermore, the original contract already agreed by MRT and their consultants. MRT is under MOF. So if want to find scapegoat, please look closer at your own MOF. If gamuda nothing to hide why claiming βtrade secretsβ? nothing to hide let the costing out la unless many costing $$ songlap and paying for corruption to previous mof najib. so call trade secret and cannot be share. gamuda is not innocent one This post has been edited by tikaram: Oct 10 2018, 02:30 PM |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Oct 10 2018, 02:23 PM) ask vendors cut 30%. MUH 3,000 BUMIS! MUH TRADE SECRETS! ohwai wrong chinese official, that one cannot complain punya |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(jangantembak @ Oct 10 2018, 02:16 PM) kawan baik nobita trying to be hero again? This guy cannot be trusted 1. and another trooperQUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:27 PM) This is Doraemon. Nobita's BFF. Lol. and a fresh trooperall the dupes coming in |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 03:20 PM) I have no info on this. let me guess.My view is that if u ald bid for a project and win the tender on agreed amount, it is not required for a company for sharing their costs and reveal how much their profit margin to third party, even to government. Even more not to a ciplak consultant. the trade secret is paying many $$ to last mof for songlap. if gamuda nothing to hide just show the book. comment sence |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:29 PM) let me guess. Generally speaking (not referring to this contract), any evidence of any hanky panky (e.g. payment to politicians) will render the contract null & void under public policy. Court will not entertain. Contractor's outstanding will not be paid. No compensation for termination. Big problemo for contractor. No claim against Govt but will face claims by sub-contractors. (Hopefully not the case here).the trade secret is paying many $$ to last mof for songlap. if gamuda nothing to hide just show the book. comment sence This common law principle is embedded in Section 24 of the Contracts Act. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:15 PM) pls explain this Contractors donβt have to share information about their cost unless it is specified in the contract.Should we instead question why MMC Gamuda had initially agreed to, but subsequently refused to share costing data with the independent consulting engineer to justify its cost, claiming βtrade secretsβ? If the MOF not happy about the price half way, they can terminated the contract but prepare for litigation with gamuda mmc JV. The problem seems like the mof thinks that the cost too high and wanted to βnegotiateβ the contract again. Anyone knows what contract they used for project? This post has been edited by Botak__: Oct 10 2018, 02:33 PM |
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:14 PM) Tony said"Should we instead question why MMC Gamuda had initially agreed to, but subsequently refused to share costing data with the independent consulting engineer to justify its cost, claiming βtrade secretsβ? Question for u, when u buy house u got ask developer to breakdown the detail material price? Tell me which construction company do that? Or when you buy a hand phone do u asked the hand phone manufacturer to breakdown the IC chips cost to u?so how u explain this ? gamuda seem guilty |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:25 PM) but the current mof and the previous mof is different govt. i doubt any sane company would reveal their pricing strategy to anyone, especially to be "reviewed" by an incompetent independent consultant. If gamuda nothing to hide why claiming βtrade secretsβ? nothing to hide let the costing out la unless many costing $$ songlap and paying for corruption tp previous mof najib. so call trade secret and cannot be share. MoF changed, but MRTCorp still remains the same, I'm quite sure they can bring out the old tender documents to have a look, or hire a more competent consultant to see if the price is actually closer to the one given by MC or MMC-Gamuda? |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(11c @ Oct 10 2018, 02:31 PM) Generally speaking (not referring to this contract), any evidence of any hanky panky (e.g. payment to politicians) will render the contract null & void under public policy. Court will not entertain. Contractor's outstanding will not be paid. No compensation for termination. Big problemo for contractor. No claim against Govt but will face claims by sub-contractors. (Hopefully not the case here). Any truth in this?This common law principle is embedded in Section 24 of the Contracts Act. Can you cite references? |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:25 PM) but the current mof and the previous mof is different govt. I wonder how sharing costs is practical in determining the cost of project.If gamuda nothing to hide why claiming βtrade secretsβ? nothing to hide let the costing out la unless many costing $$ songlap and paying for corruption tp previous mof najib. so call trade secret and cannot be share. It is defintely impossible for an inexperience engineering firm consultant to estimate the required manhours and overhead costs to project of this scale. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:33 PM
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Oct 10 2018, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:24 PM) Gamuda is also guilty claiming βtrade secretsβ? Having business with government entity is equally mean no such things as trade secret! is is common around the world. If u try to ask US, the defender doing stealth air fighter can declare trade secret or not! |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(jangantembak @ Oct 10 2018, 02:31 PM) nuff said |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 02:32 PM) Any truth in this? This common law principle is embedded in Section 24 of the Contracts Act.Can you cite references? |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2018, 02:31 PM) Look at Gamuda shares dive LOL! time to buy in. |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:31 PM) Again like i said before. If you have done any business, even small business, you wont give away your source of supply and pricing openly to competitors.In that matter it is trade secrets. i will say it againPrice already agreed, whether old MoF or new MoF is irrelevant. If everyone agreeds to buy TV for Rm 1999 from A. What rights do you have to ask seller where they source their products and their cost price? Gila ker?? I go Lazada buy stuff, can i demand them to tell me their cost price? Apa bodoh??? nothing to hide let the costing out la! costing only ma why so secret? |
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QUOTE(11c @ Oct 10 2018, 02:33 PM) This common law principle is embedded in Section 24 of the Contracts Act. Thanks mate! Appreciate that! |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 02:32 PM) I wonder how sharing costs is practical in determining the cost of project. Gamuda wont share it as it will exposed lot of funny accounting such as donation to previous BN government and or entertainment made to official awarding the contract. It is defintely impossible for an inexperience engineering firm consultant to estimate the required manhours and overhead costs to project of this scale. If the PH in power, Gamuda know well that if such become cost of project; surely to be take out from the costing! |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 03:32 PM) I wonder how sharing costs is practical in determining the cost of project. no need any qualification la. I am sure any spm qualify can read the songlap portion costing to who and who. So Gamuda claim it secret.It is defintely impossible for an inexperience engineering firm consultant to estimate the required manhours and overhead costs to project of this scale. Oh yeah. This post has been edited by tikaram: Oct 10 2018, 02:37 PM |
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Why does everyone claims that minconsult Is not competent to advice the MOF on this matter? I believe not every job they had handle needs to put on their website. Is there a report of what they had comment?
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Oct 10 2018, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:34 PM) You can always revert with your brilliant ideas to my post instead of name calling here and there you know. says the dupeAda belani? pakailah acc main ada belani? |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:34 PM) i will say it again Ntg to hide.nothing to hide let the costing out la! costing only ma why so secret? But sharing will affect future competitive advantage of the company. Why need to do so? |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:37 PM) Guess you really cannot understand how a business works nor the meaning of contracts. Haiz. guess u really dont know how dirty the business works. Haiz...songlap cost is a fact. more so during Bijan time This post has been edited by tikaram: Oct 10 2018, 02:39 PM Attached thumbnail(s) 
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 02:38 PM) Ntg to hide. when gov ask for breakdown, u give the breakdown. thats common knowledge when doing a gov project.But sharing will affect future competitive advantage of the company. Why need to do so? u jual mahal, get ready to loose all. |
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:25 PM) but the current mof and the previous mof is different govt. THIS!If gamuda nothing to hide why claiming βtrade secretsβ? nothing to hide let the costing out la unless many costing $$ songlap and paying for corruption to previous mof najib. so call trade secret and cannot be share. gamuda is not innocent one wanna lose multi billion contract also want secret2 ar...justify yourself lar at least minconsult cibai got balls to claim that can make savings if gamuda thinks and can prove otherwise by all means do it. ni resort to "trade secrets" and pity card..lolz give cold hard facts lar. easy mahh |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:38 PM) Still pusing-pusing...just reply to my post lah. No need for personal insult. Goes to show your IQ and EQ level.... Still dupe Ignored P.s.dupe is what you are. Where insult? Pure truth. This post has been edited by KLboy92: Oct 10 2018, 02:39 PM |
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:38 PM) guess u really dont know how dirty the business works. Haiz... songlap cost is a fact. more so during Bijan time |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 03:38 PM) Ntg to hide. thisBut sharing will affect future competitive advantage of the company. Why need to do so? gamuda paid to bijan trade secret! Attached thumbnail(s) 
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QUOTE(Botak__ @ Oct 10 2018, 02:36 PM) Why does everyone claims that minconsult Is not competent to advice the MOF on this matter? I believe not every job they had handle needs to put on their website. Is there a report of what they had comment? They simply do not have the expertise and experience on underground and tunneling.In fact, very few consultants have this kind of expertise and are mostly international firms with big names. This post has been edited by weyyt: Oct 10 2018, 02:43 PM |
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:42 PM) this Not going reply to baseless claims without evidence.gamuda paid to bijan trade secret! |
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 10 2018, 02:42 PM) this THIS!gamuda paid to bijan trade secret!  This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 10 2018, 02:45 PM |
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QUOTE(jangantembak @ Oct 10 2018, 02:40 PM) lol. U think ph so good? They also sama 1. The guy greedy to become next pm also ada scandal songlap. Got 1 guy put his kawan + family and songlap pasir + buy mickey mouse house. Nobita also ada banyak scandal macam terowong scandal. Lol this guyPH a few months wanna compare with 60 years LGE terowong 1 unproven story wanna compare with BN project after project I give just 1 word "1mdb" the value of this single project alone also can cover everything supposedly done by PH so far Never mind all the rest |
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Oct 10 2018, 02:39 PM) THIS! and dun forget resort to racing kad as well!wanna lose multi billion contract also want secret2 ar...justify yourself lar at least minconsult cibai got balls to claim that can make savings if gamuda thinks and can prove otherwise by all means do it. ni resort to "trade secrets" and pity card..lolz give cold hard facts lar. easy mahh That MRT3 line only benefit people staying around it vs the rest of Malaysia! |
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I joined Gamuda as a fresh graduate 6 years ago and worked in the UG section before resigning 1 and half year back, I believe what will happen actually now that Tony Pua revealed how much difference in between the "consultant" and MMC-Gamuda offer is that both side will renegotiate and the final cost will be in between this 2 figure.
1) There is no way by re-tendering, government (or the rakyat) will end up saving more money, the figure that LGE and Tony Pua mentioned is the estimated contract value remaining, but they still need to account for the cost to compensate MMC-Gamuda, demobilisation and remobilisation cost for both MMC Gamuda and new contractor, as well as all the potential court cases not just in between government and MMC-Gamuda but as well to all the subcontractors. We havent even talk about those loss of time cost to public in whole due to the prolongation of the project or the acceleration cost to meet the timeline 2)While I believe gamuda still have some margin at hand, the "consultant" hired by goverment have no experience in tunnel project as well as costing the risk involved and mitigation. In addition to that, it is a fact, MRT project specifications are super stringent and comparable to SG and HK MRT. Most products is specialised and not readily available in the market. IF consultant just take market price and plug in, definitely the cost wont match. 3)Gamuda is a very good company and spend alot training up staff. While the working culture at certain sites are not perfect but cant deny they willing to spend and train up people especially Malaysian. I am ever thankful for the opportunity provided by Gamuda. If government insist to get lower price, they will have to award it to overseas contractor, and while I believe not 20000 jobs will be lost, many jobs will still go to foreigners. Saying all above, I believe both side only playing poker. Definitely they will reach a middle ground in between, as both side have too much to lose if this retendering will to go ahead. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:46 PM
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Why didn't they get consultant from Singapore, Hong Kong London china
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:45 PM) Wow. Showing a general graph as "evidence"... Look at the source before you lose your knickersAyam speechless. |
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QUOTE(Botak__ @ Oct 10 2018, 02:36 PM) Why does everyone claims that minconsult Is not competent to advice the MOF on this matter? I believe not every job they had handle needs to put on their website. Is there a report of what they had comment? What happened to transparency that PH said |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 03:43 PM) Not going reply to baseless claims without evidence. statistic is proven fact. gamuda why so secret secret Attached thumbnail(s) 
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 10 2018, 02:45 PM) and dun forget resort to racing kad as well! That MRT3 line only benefit people staying around it vs the rest of Malaysia! |
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QUOTE(XtraSpicy @ Oct 10 2018, 02:45 PM) I joined Gamuda as a fresh graduate 6 years ago and worked in the UG section before resigning 1 and half year back, I believe what will happen actually now that Tony Pua revealed how much difference in between the "consultant" and MMC-Gamuda offer is that both side will renegotiate and the final cost will be in between this 2 figure. shuddap la. 1) There is no way by re-tendering, government (or the rakyat) will end up saving more money, the figure that LGE and Tony Pua mentioned is the estimated contract value remaining, but they still need to account for the cost to compensate MMC-Gamuda, demobilisation and remobilisation cost for both MMC Gamuda and new contractor, as well as all the potential court cases not just in between government and MMC-Gamuda but as well to all the subcontractors. We havent even talk about those loss of time cost to public in whole due to the prolongation of the project or the acceleration cost to meet the timeline 2)While I believe gamuda still have some margin at hand, the "consultant" hired by goverment have no experience in tunnel project as well as costing the risk involved and mitigation. In addition to that, it is a fact, MRT project specifications are super stringent and comparable to SG and HK MRT. Most products is specialised and not readily available in the market. IF consultant just take market price and plug in, definitely the cost wont match. 3)Gamuda is a very good company and spend alot training up staff. While the working culture at certain sites are not perfect but cant deny they willing to spend and train up people especially Malaysian. I am ever thankful for the opportunity provided by Gamuda. If government insist to get lower price, they will have to award it to overseas contractor, and while I believe not 20000 jobs will be lost, many jobs will still go to foreigners. Saying all above, I believe both side only playing poker. Definitely they will reach a middle ground in between, as both side have too much to lose if this retendering will to go ahead. o wai sorry |
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QUOTE(luminaryxi @ Oct 10 2018, 02:43 PM) can go below rm2 anot this gamuda at this moment of time... anything is possible... MMC-GAMUDA dont want to tolerate with GOV (maybe got other agenda hiding behind)... now MMC-GAMUDA playing victim/sympathy cards... Open letter here and there from MMC-GAMUDA and GOV... this will only make things even worst for its share price... |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:49 PM) The easy way, have that report be review by another team of consultants independantly. why can't gamuda just provide the breakdown to MOF now? no such thing as trade secret when your building a public project.The way Tony Pua handle this, is like Minconsultant is the Procescutor. The procescutor say you songlapped 10b. So you must be guilty. No judge. Not even defence lawyer for you. Minconsultant say guilty you guilty.(But they have no evidence). Rule of the Law in New Malaysia! |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:50 PM) More general graph, claiming as evidence. I hope you reflect how stupid it is... Stupid is here. Just joined this morning to be StooPID |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:49 PM) The easy way, have that report be review by another team of consultants independantly. Waste of time.The way Tony Pua handle this, is like Minconsultant is the Procescutor. The procescutor say you songlapped 10b. So you must be guilty. No judge. Not even defence lawyer for you. Minconsultant say guilty you guilty.(But they have no evidence). Rule of the Law in New Malaysia! The initial tender price of gamuda is ald lower compared to ARUP Singapore estimate. |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:46 PM) If minconsulting say can, Tony Pua say can. bro..they can value engineer the underground station design, the beam details, RC wall details or propose prefab components to lower down the cost. the finishes and furnishing etc. not necessarily design from scratch bro. Malaysia Boleh! if gamuda can prove that the figures provided by minconsult is wrong than just do it. give cold hard facts bro. nobody is stopping them. what trade secrets?? LOLOLOLOL..unless what they tell will implicate somebody. bro 10 billion contracts on the line here bro..lulz gamuda technical team mana? 1st class engineer mana? at least minconsult gave a report bruv |
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:50 PM) why can't gamuda just provide the breakdown to MOF now? no such thing as trade secret when your building a public project. It will probably show the OBSCENE profit margins that they have! |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:51 PM) What has source got anything to do with it? That is a general graph. Does it says MRT2 project and MMC-Gamuda?? No? So STOOpiD comment |
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Oct 10 2018, 02:46 PM) Why didn't they get consultant from Singapore, Hong Kong London china Mrt 2 consultant is Arup. A few HK engineers is behind this works. Anyhow, i am still not convince that MOF is stupid enough to overlook that minconsult does not have the expertise and just bullshiting, or this whole thing is a political maneuver to get the contractor attention to renegotiate the contract.They expert in building underground railway APA ini minonsultant |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:53 PM) Excellent point! I totally agreed! Which in order for that to happen, please ask Tony Pua to release the minconsulting report. WoW!Now the client has to submit to the contractor! WOW!  |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:50 PM) More general graph, claiming as evidence. I hope you reflect how stupid it is... Gamuda is more stupid when said " trade Secret" now no more contract and share drop like shit This post has been edited by tikaram: Oct 10 2018, 02:55 PM |
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:54 PM) Rule of macai: When no evidence can be produced. Insult the opponent as Stoopid. You did the same. Stoopid!Ok.jpg |
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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 02:42 PM) They simply do not have the expertise and experience on underground and tunneling. if you dont have, then hire someone from other company who has the experience and join them lar... it is the same for all company out there, everyone will have their first time in any business i.e you have to start somewhere..In fact, very few consultants have this kind of expertise and are mostly international firms with big names. Is gamuda sort of building their own tunnel before SMART? No right, where is the dude came from? gamuda training house/university? i remember watching a clip, it is a young chinese |
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:55 PM) i think just unleash MACC on Gamuda.. see who received kickbacks. end of story. See whether money has been WASHed |
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QUOTE(XtraSpicy @ Oct 10 2018, 02:45 PM) I joined Gamuda as a fresh graduate 6 years ago and worked in the UG section before resigning 1 and half year back, I believe what will happen actually now that Tony Pua revealed how much difference in between the "consultant" and MMC-Gamuda offer is that both side will renegotiate and the final cost will be in between this 2 figure. Agree with u for everything.1) There is no way by re-tendering, government (or the rakyat) will end up saving more money, the figure that LGE and Tony Pua mentioned is the estimated contract value remaining, but they still need to account for the cost to compensate MMC-Gamuda, demobilisation and remobilisation cost for both MMC Gamuda and new contractor, as well as all the potential court cases not just in between government and MMC-Gamuda but as well to all the subcontractors. We havent even talk about those loss of time cost to public in whole due to the prolongation of the project or the acceleration cost to meet the timeline 2)While I believe gamuda still have some margin at hand, the "consultant" hired by goverment have no experience in tunnel project as well as costing the risk involved and mitigation. In addition to that, it is a fact, MRT project specifications are super stringent and comparable to SG and HK MRT. Most products is specialised and not readily available in the market. IF consultant just take market price and plug in, definitely the cost wont match. 3)Gamuda is a very good company and spend alot training up staff. While the working culture at certain sites are not perfect but cant deny they willing to spend and train up people especially Malaysian. I am ever thankful for the opportunity provided by Gamuda. If government insist to get lower price, they will have to award it to overseas contractor, and while I believe not 20000 jobs will be lost, many jobs will still go to foreigners. Saying all above, I believe both side only playing poker. Definitely they will reach a middle ground in between, as both side have too much to lose if this retendering will to go ahead. Retendering definitely will cost more money as those ppl not in the industry dun see the costs involved. In the worst case they can't reach a agreed amount, gov will most likely retendering it at reduced scope and claim to save money. End up pay more for less. |
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Oct 10 2018, 02:51 PM) bro..they can value engineer the underground station design, the beam details, RC wall details or propose prefab components to lower down the cost. the finishes and furnishing etc. not necessarily design from scratch bro. they dont even bother to provide their breakdown cost, according to Damansaraif gamuda can prove that the figures provided by minconsult is wrong than just do it. give cold hard facts bro. nobody is stopping them. what trade secrets?? LOLOLOLOL..unless what they tell will implicate somebody. bro 10 billion contracts on the line here bro..lulz gamuda technical team mana? 1st class engineer mana? at least minconsult gave a report bruv you still want to demand them challenge other people cost ar.... |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:58 PM
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486 posts Joined: Dec 2013
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Bodoh tony.. start a new tender laa if they dare..the later they postpone..the higher the cost..don't play tarik tali
I want to see his and LGE face when the retender price higher than what Gamuda offer.. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(XtraSpicy @ Oct 10 2018, 02:45 PM) I joined Gamuda as a fresh graduate 6 years ago and worked in the UG section before resigning 1 and half year back, I believe what will happen actually now that Tony Pua revealed how much difference in between the "consultant" and MMC-Gamuda offer is that both side will renegotiate and the final cost will be in between this 2 figure. I think the price is negotiable as long as there is value. Helping Gamuda mitigate risk doesn't bring value to the client. Like Tony said, make an offer MOF can't refuse.1) There is no way by re-tendering, government (or the rakyat) will end up saving more money, the figure that LGE and Tony Pua mentioned is the estimated contract value remaining, but they still need to account for the cost to compensate MMC-Gamuda, demobilisation and remobilisation cost for both MMC Gamuda and new contractor, as well as all the potential court cases not just in between government and MMC-Gamuda but as well to all the subcontractors. We havent even talk about those loss of time cost to public in whole due to the prolongation of the project or the acceleration cost to meet the timeline 2)While I believe gamuda still have some margin at hand, the "consultant" hired by goverment have no experience in tunnel project as well as costing the risk involved and mitigation. In addition to that, it is a fact, MRT project specifications are super stringent and comparable to SG and HK MRT. Most products is specialised and not readily available in the market. IF consultant just take market price and plug in, definitely the cost wont match. 3)Gamuda is a very good company and spend alot training up staff. While the working culture at certain sites are not perfect but cant deny they willing to spend and train up people especially Malaysian. I am ever thankful for the opportunity provided by Gamuda. If government insist to get lower price, they will have to award it to overseas contractor, and while I believe not 20000 jobs will be lost, many jobs will still go to foreigners. Saying all above, I believe both side only playing poker. Definitely they will reach a middle ground in between, as both side have too much to lose if this retendering will to go ahead. |
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Oct 10 2018, 02:59 PM
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All Stars
12,279 posts Joined: Oct 2010
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Get MACC on Gamuda. Then
Section 24 of Malaysian Contracts Act, 1950 deals with What considerations and object are lawful, and what not Void Agreements. From the Act The consideration or object of an agreement is lawful, unlessβ (a) it is forbidden by a law; (b) it is of such a nature that, if permitted, it would defeat any law; © it is fraudulent; (d) it involves or implies injury to the person or property of another; or (e) the court regards it as immoral, or opposed to public policy. In each of the above cases, the consideration or object of an agreement is said to be unlawful. Every agreement of which the object or consideration is unlawful is void. |
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Oct 10 2018, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Oct 10 2018, 02:51 PM) if gamuda can prove that the figures provided by minconsult is wrong than just do it. give cold hard facts bro. nobody is stopping them Actually, Gamuda ald refuted their report. Even MRTC themselves did. |
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