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> Tony Pua's 🔥🔥🔥 response to Gamuda, and their whining 1st kelas engineers

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post Oct 10 2018, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(jangantembak @ Oct 10 2018, 02:53 PM)
1mdb ada proof?? U must remember ph is also umno members. U terlupa anwar from where? Mahathir from where? So u saying both of them kuat songlap also?
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yup, both Anwar and Madey

there is more proof about 1MDB than terowong Penang, so you don't get to say that

remember it's your own Jabatan Audit Negara and your own Bijan signing off your own report, which was hushed up so that Bijan can continue lying to the rakyat that 1MDB is perfectly fine:

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6.5. Berasaskan andaian pelan rasionalisasi dilaksanakan dan tiada pinjaman baru dibuat selepas bulan Oktober 2015, dianggarkan sejumlah RM42.26 bilion diperlukan bagi membayar kos prinsipal dan faedah pinjaman yang matang antara bulan November 2015 hingga bulan Mei 2039. 1MDB perlu menyediakan dana yang besar untuk melunaskan bayaran komitmennya yang tinggi pada tahun 2016 sejumlah RM4.88 bilion, pada tahun 2023 sejumlah RM14.74 bilion dan pada tahun 2039 sejumlah RM5.14 bilion. 1MDB juga memerlukan dana sekurang-kurangnya RM1.52 bilion setiap tahun dari bulan November 2015 hingga Mei 2024 untuk membayar balik pinjaman.


tak habis2 where's the proof, dono if actually blind or retarded rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:02 PM

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tldr, any summary?
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(jangantembak @ Oct 10 2018, 02:53 PM)
1mdb ada proof?? U must remember ph is also umno members. U terlupa anwar from where? Mahathir from where? So u saying both of them kuat songlap also?
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1MDB no proof?? Dah lah... this 1 is concrete as stone.... US Department of Justice already seized USD 1bil of assets since 2 years ago still not one single person dare to claim it back until now... LOL

Nah.. all the money trail clearly described in the two complaint..

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/page/f...877166/download

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/f...973671/download

All the proof (at least the part of money trail in the US) hold by US DoJ
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:55 PM)
i think just unleash MACC on Gamuda.. see who received kickbacks. end of story.
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plus IRB.

Seize all of its assets and drive the crony company to the ground!
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(ju146 @ Oct 10 2018, 02:56 PM)
if you dont have, then hire someone from other company who has the experience and join them lar... it is the same for all company out there, everyone will have their first time in any business i.e you have to start somewhere..

Is gamuda sort of building their own tunnel before SMART? No right, where is the dude came from? gamuda training house/university? i remember watching a clip, it is a young chinese
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Only if u have the money. The reason that MNC consultants can set up their branch here to train the locals for this kind of projects because they can bring in a lot expats from Singapore/Hong Kong, and all are 5 figures a month at least.

Local consultants sinply dun have the money and resources.
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:06 PM

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post Oct 10 2018, 03:06 PM

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PH government has 2 choices....accept 12% discount from Gamuda or from independent audit possibly 25% can be reduced. As money is tight...any reasonable government would seek better cost n open tender for final part. Project still ongoing...the final phased. If nobody can beat the price of Gamuda then you will still get the job. Why hoo ha hoo ha....
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Oct 10 2018, 02:08 PM)
nvm i got my answer already. above poster said minconsult with no experience in tunneling works.

and like the poster above me said.

simple only now.

either gamuda walk back in with tail between their legs and comply and willing to compromise with government

or

hire new firm to finish the job..

either way,
1) if it can indeed be done at a much lower cost like the consultants have proposed, then gamuda will get fucked by the rakyat

2) if end up still the same costs or with more problems, then rakyat will fuck PH, LGE and Tony instead.
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You can be the cheapest, but theres going to be VO which will burst the savings... Not to mention, abortive fee, etc for the work done...

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post Oct 10 2018, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:04 PM)
You have to understand the difference. One is a real project costing which is already halfway in execution. Releasing this information is not a requirement in contract nor it is a sane business pratice to tell all my competitors my pricing.

On the other hand, Tony Pua CAN and SHOULD release his report since that is just an estimation report. Nombor ramalan. Then we can get another third party consultancy firm to evaluate if needed, or MMC-Gamuda can explain the shortcomings in their guesstimation.
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Actually Gamuda ald refuted thier report, even MRTC did.
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:04 PM)
You have to understand the difference. One is a real project costing which is already halfway in execution. Releasing this information is not a requirement in contract nor it is a sane business pratice to tell all my competitors my pricing.

On the other hand, Tony Pua CAN and SHOULD release his report since that is just an estimation report. Nombor ramalan. Then we can get another third party consultancy firm to evaluate if needed, or MMC-Gamuda can explain the shortcomings in their guesstimation.
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is not a requirement in the contract but funds is from gov.. so when recipient is being asked to furnish the breakdown, the practical thing is to give those info... unless got something major to hide.

it never goes well when you;re against the gov of the day.
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I don't know about the details of this project. But there are companies out there who earn big dollars by helping to save on big projects. A certain exhibition center in Msia cost X millions, design by years of experienced engineers. Yet, a small consultant firm managed to show savings in many places. Luckily the owner decided to go against his initial group of engineers' advice and proceeded with the plans from this small firm. Til today, this exhibition center is still standing, no structural problems.

This small firm later on progress with more local and overseas projects, all with the same game plan. I help you save, and I earn from a portion from the savings. From flats, condos, hostels, housing projects, shopping malls, and recently converting sea water into drinkable water in overseas... a good brain is a good brain. Doesn't necessarily need to have that much of experience in order to see the problem and solve the problem. And this is a Malaysian company. There is always more than one way to solve any math problems.
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This extra 2 or 3 billion savings can pay debt or increase a bit civil servants pay...why heboh heboh??
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Oct 10 2018, 03:02 PM)
tldr, any summary?
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Gamuda say diskaun Rm2 billion aje

MOF say diskaun Rm5 billion boleh (according to Tony Pua)

Gamuda say fuckoff tak boleh

MOF say fuckoff, terminate contract

Gamuda dan staffnya semua menangis kepada social media kata 20,000 jobs terbang etc etc

Tony kata jangan bullshit banyak

/k semua argue kerana setakat ni hanya boleh ikut cakap Gamuda engineer vs MOF engineer

troopers BN bergegas salahkan LGE

there, 30 pages in 1 post tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mssv19 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:06 PM)
PH government has 2 choices....accept 12% discount from Gamuda or from independent audit possibly 25% can be reduced. As money is tight...any reasonable government would seek better cost n open tender for final part. Project still ongoing...the final phased. If nobody can beat the price of Gamuda then you will still get the job. Why hoo ha hoo ha....
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cos Gamuda LCLY playing hard ball!

Just unleash MACC plus IRB on Gamuda.. see who received kickbacks. end of story.
Seize all of its assets and drive the crony company to the ground!



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post Oct 10 2018, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 03:04 PM)
Only if u have the money. The reason that MNC consultants can set up their branch here to train the locals for this kind of projects because they can bring in a lot expats from Singapore/Hong Kong, and all are 5 figures a month at least.

Local consultants sinply dun have the money and resources.
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If the contract award to them, maybe they will have that kind of budget to hire. I am not in construction, not sure how complex resources hiring is. But in IT, all this are standard e.g no 1 will know everything.

QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:04 PM)
You have to understand the difference. One is a real project costing which is already halfway in execution. Releasing this information is not a requirement in contract nor it is a sane business pratice to tell all my competitors my pricing.

On the other hand, Tony Pua CAN and SHOULD release his report since that is just an estimation report. Nombor ramalan. Then we can get another third party consultancy firm to evaluate if needed, or MMC-Gamuda can explain the shortcomings in their guesstimation.
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Putting minconsult/Tony number aside, Gamuda should provide their own breakdown if they are sincere to retain the business or work with the government.

I wouldn't want to release minconsult number if i am Tony, and i am not obligated to (at least this stage). Purchaser do not need to provide the cost justification from Vendor B in order for Vendor A to reduce their price.
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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:09 PM)
MOF..got engineers?? Lol
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They hired independent engineer consultants
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:08 PM)
Gamuda say diskaun Rm2 billion aje

MOF say diskaun Rm5 billion boleh (according to Tony Pua)

Gamuda say fuckoff tak boleh

MOF say fuckoff, terminate contract

Gamuda dan staffnya semua menangis kepada social media kata 20,000 jobs terbang etc etc

Tony kata jangan bullshit banyak

/k semua argue kerana setakat ni hanya boleh ikut cakap Gamuda engineer vs MOF engineer

troopers BN bergegas salahkan LGE

there, 30 pages in 1 post tongue.gif
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nice summary thumbup.gif
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:08 PM)
Gamuda say diskaun Rm2 billion aje

MOF say diskaun Rm5 billion boleh (according to Tony Pua)

Gamuda say fuckoff tak boleh

MOF say fuckoff, terminate contract

Gamuda dan staffnya semua menangis kepada social media kata 20,000 jobs terbang etc etc

Tony kata jangan bullshit banyak

/k semua argue kerana setakat ni hanya boleh ikut cakap Gamuda engineer vs MOF engineer

troopers BN bergegas salahkan LGE

there, 30 pages in 1 post tongue.gif
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mana whinning first class element, tu yang penting bang
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(weyyt @ Oct 10 2018, 02:58 PM)
Agree with u for everything.

Retendering definitely will cost more money as those ppl not in the industry dun see the costs involved.

In the worst case they can't reach a agreed amount, gov will most likely retendering it at reduced scope and claim to save money. End up pay more for less.
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please explain how retender will cost more money? as long as project sponsor which is govt able to accept for due diligence, why not?
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post Oct 10 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Proton2.0 @ Oct 10 2018, 03:08 PM)
Oh, i didnt know. It wasnt made public i suppose?
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The report ofcourse is not in public.

Gamuda ald clarified that in their media statement.

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