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post Apr 2 2019, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 2 2019, 10:02 AM)
Anything can be done as long got money. Read gsan recent comment on one of his customer who managed to install paddle shifter on his pre-FL Espec.

But if you go for features on higher spec variants you will wonder why you didn't spend the extra money and get the higher spec car with those features in the first place.
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There are many reasons. Budget could be tight at that point in time, or buyer was overly conservative in budgeting for the new ride. Buyer thought he doesn't need the features at that point in time. And most importantly, buyer's remorse. Happens all the time.
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post Apr 2 2019, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 2 2019, 09:38 AM)
i rarely use paddle shifters on my city hybrid / E spec version.

no need la.
save some money a bit.
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I use paddle shifter when going downhill to get engine braking. Best part is, as long as the road is steep, the transmission will keep the gear selected so it helps to maintain or at least not have the car speed up on its own.

I'm not familiar with City with no paddle shift - is there a sequential gear selection at the gear shift for you to use? In your case with no paddle shifter, how do you downshift if the road becomes more steep?
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post Apr 2 2019, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Apr 2 2019, 03:19 PM)
There's an S gear for that, no?
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 2 2019, 03:54 PM)
As I understand from sifu gsan, add in paddle shifters not easy job bro. And not cheap too cuz need to source the steering with the paddles plus the wiring mod, and then need to change the meter panel cuz paddle shift function only works with meter that shows the gear selection. All in all these mods will bring the actual car price much higher, and only just for this one feature on the higher variants. Imho, its just not worth it.
For non-paddles, the shifter is structured as P-R-N-D-S-L. S is the same function as ours with paddles but without the manual gear selection. L is a lower gearing used for lower speed engine braking.
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Say we are in either D or S mode. If the down slope becomes steeper, I just need to use paddle shifter to downshift to say, from 4 to 3rd gear (I know it's virtual gear and all that) and I get more engine braking. Now, without paddle shifter, what can I do if I want to downshift to 3rd gear?
If I switch to L, what gear will it go to by default? If the default is, say 2nd gear, would the transmission shift from whatever gear it's in to 2nd gear?

I too don't think it's worth to add in the paddle shifter viz paying for the higher spec that has this feature. The question is not whether it's worth it or not, but why he didn't choose the spec that has the feature when he decided to buy his car. Hence, the reasons I gave. I can classify this as buyer's remorse because he misses having this feature in his car.
I can certainly understand his feelings because I made two mistakes before:
1. I bought an Iswara instead of Wira in the nineties because I thought all I needed was four wheels. RM36k vs RM52k then. THe Iswara had no power steering, lousy brakes, had only front two power windows and had lousy handling.
2. I bought a cheaper car with one airbag rather than the Altis which had two airbags, better leg room and FC.
On hindsight, I was better off buying the more expensive cars because I would have used the "better" cars longer compared to the "lesser" cars, not to mention the remorse.


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post Apr 2 2019, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 2 2019, 06:28 PM)
For those with P-R-N-D-S-L there isn't a specific gear per se. For downhilling, you can only go down 1 notch to S and if you need more engine braking you go down to L. I do not know what are the speed limitations when going down the gears but you would likely be braking first b4 downshifting so I guess there shouldn't be any long term damage to the gearbox unless you touge every week.

Buyers remorse should be tempered with solid reasoning. If due to buyers remorse, someone were to splurge on upgrading the car just to reach the higher spec variant, it isn't a very smart reason then and it isn't a very smart reason now. If someone wanted such features on the higher variant, it would be better to save up and go for the higher variant up front. All it takes is thinking things thru with solid reasoning. IINM, there were a few forumers asking for opinion which specs they should go for and I did gave a similar humble advice to a few.

This unless the car is a suddenly much needed mode of transport and only Sspec is available at short notice, that I got nothing to say lor.
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It's called buyer's remorse for a reason. I have already given you the reasons. In the case of paddle shifters, he might not know he needed it at that time. Since he needs it now because he goes to Genting every month, or for whatever reason, should he sell away the car and buy the E or V spec model?




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post Apr 3 2019, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 2 2019, 11:19 PM)
Well if I had such buyers remorse, once I take a look at how much it would cost to get the paddle shifter steering, Vspec meter panel, Vspec HU, and the wiring plus installation workmanship, I would be kicking myself for not thinking things thru before buying, instead of just spending that sum of money.
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You have just described what buyer's remorse feels like ... "if only.... ".
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post Apr 3 2019, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(gsan @ Apr 1 2019, 10:05 PM)
Yesterday done activate cruise control and installed canbus harness at customer's city came from KL  smile.gif

this customer done converted his pre-fl e spec to fl v spec front and rear, including the v spec led headlamp, fog lamp, tail lamp and also led spoiler  drool.gif

for interior got leather panel, fl v spec tweeter cover, pre-fl v spec hu, fl v spec meter and leather full button steering included paddle  brows.gif

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Did you tell him he should have thought it over before signing on the dotted line and buy the V spec in the first place?
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post Apr 3 2019, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 3 2019, 12:30 AM)
Which is why I rarely suffers from buyers remorse. The only times I do, is when I need to make a decision right then but I don't feel sorry for making such a decision. I just live with it.
Other times would be when the better option wasn't available at that time, such like I was aiming to get City Hybrid but it wasn't available when FL came and there were no news if it would come, so I took the plunge and get Espec as Vspec features doesn't justify to me the extra cost. I regret not waiting but I don't regret getting Espec back then when I made that choice.
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Different people have different ways of handling buyer's remorse. Some live with it while others try to rectify the shortcomings. Those that can live with it should not preach to others to do the same unless specific advice is sought by the latter.

Those who claim never to have suffered from it should get off their moral high horse because hindsight is always 20/20. Nobody likes to have commission regret, but it's not as if everyone can just go for the most expensive model because they want to avoid buyer's remorse. Circumstances and needs do change.
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post Apr 5 2019, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Apr 5 2019, 11:06 AM)
on another note, do you guys always turn off A/C and Fan before turning off the ignition?
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Nope. Never have.

I sometimes only switch off my headlights after switching off the engine or opening the door because I forget to switch it off earlier. Can't help not being a perfect driver.
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post Apr 5 2019, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Apr 5 2019, 11:23 AM)
This is where Perodua Axia is better. If forgot to switch off headlight, when open the driver door, the headlight is off. The light will ON again when start the car.
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Yes, drove a Bezza in Kuching with headlights switched on due to driving on remote roads. Didn't have to touch the light switch when stopping for breaks. Auto off when ignition is off.
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post Apr 6 2019, 03:21 PM

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Got worried reading comments on how the battery suddenly dies, so got myself a battery tester.
Side note: there are people who believe that it's crucial to start an unused car every few days to keep battery charged. This is proven wrong (to me) today.
Before starting, voltage was 12.90V.
After starting the engine and revved it (to check cranking and charging health), the voltage dropped to 12.79V after the engine has been stopped. So, it's worse off, not to mention polluting the engine oil due to cold start and stopping.

I'm wondering why the battery has only 12.9V after stopping for 2 hours. Is this normal?

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post Apr 6 2019, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(danthe0 @ Apr 6 2019, 03:37 PM)
Just look at CCA and R = a.bc mOhm to determine health.
Lancol micro-200 ? Just got that meself a few weeks back.
Make sure you set the correct setting. If stock battery for City should be JIS 38B19.

On a hybrid:

DC-DC STRONK 💪💪💪💪
Edit to add more stuff.
You should check it just before cold start.
Floating voltage 12.6V is very healthy.
Dont check state of charge just after cranking or driving.
State of health will be same regardless crank or just before cold start.
Make sure you clamp the alligator clips in a proper location. Take CCA readings at multiple clamp points to double check.
A rusted/weak grip/low contact area surface will produce a slightly incorrect reading. Well it's china junk, it's already incorrect. But it's a good enough yardstick to somewhat measure.
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Yes, indeed it's the Lancol. I managed to key in JIS 38B19 too after toggling with it. It seems your car starter takes power from the IMA battery, as the 12V battery voltage doesn't drop?

I clamped it on both battery terminals. I think clamping at a few areas is a good idea too, can tell how good the ground wire is.

It's stock battery bro, about 8 months only. I figure that since batteries nowadays seem to last 1 year thereabout, I can send it for the next servicing earlier to claim warranty if the battery deteriorates badly. So, the SOH is the yardstick, right?

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 6 2019, 07:09 PM)
Try take the reading first thing in the morning.
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Will do, thanks for the tip.
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QUOTE(wat de....?! @ Apr 6 2019, 01:06 PM)
I had just installed the tweeter from gsan... sound quality did improve a lot  rclxms.gif

Another thing i wanna know from owners sekalian is --> did you guys detect any water ingression to the front left passenger leg space, especially after heavy rain ?
I found quite some amount of water trace & ingression at my left front speaker (right side also but minor) after removing the speaker. Most likely this is a defect from Honda and I will go to SC to claim defective. ranting.gif
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QUOTE(gsan @ Apr 6 2019, 04:29 PM)
glad that the alpine tweeter bring improvement on your sound system.

i think is common for city, the water will flow into behind door panel, that is why u found water on speaker, same as mine. but so far i dont encounter any water masuk inside seat area yet
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 6 2019, 06:59 PM)
You mean the water will leak inside door panel, therefore wetting the speaker holder area? Wouldnt that cause rust and erosion to any metal material around?
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The window horizontal rubber strip is not air tight (to allow movement of the glass). Water from outside will travel inside. IINM, there should be drainage holes at the base of the door to drain out this water. A plugged hole can cause water build up and it will flow out via the path of least resistance.
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QUOTE(danthe0 @ Apr 6 2019, 08:37 PM)
Even clamping within the terminals, the position will give different readings.
Just tried another time, I think this is the actual one. I think the meter got confused previously.
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My CCA is at 335CCA, but can retain 11.93V (from 12.43V cold start), I think your CCA is measured wrongly...
But then again your battery internal resistance is R = 7.5 mOhm, about 1.4 mOhm lower than mine. Yours should be in better health.
Maybe the petrol version cranks longer, and thus harder than hybrid...
Yup SOH is capacity left. Read the CCA. Got hybrid member drop down to 175CCA still can start. Not sure lowest how much before it fails to start.
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I tested the CCA twice. First was using the battery option that required me to enter the battery AH as I could not find the JIS option at first. It gave the same 395CCA as when I tested using the JIS input. I think Hybrid uses different starter motor due to the start-stop feature.
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QUOTE(danthe0 @ Apr 6 2019, 10:53 PM)
No, I mean clamp at different positions. Not just retest with different modes. You'll see different results at different clamp points. For the Lancol the wire is only connected to one jaw of the alligator clip for each (+) and (-), try clamp the correct jaw to a clean and near surface.
Stop-start only engaged when EV is available. Cold start cranking still done with 12V battery. Seems like crank finish faster so less energy used. 1.6s vs 5s.
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I retested with JIS mode because I could not find JIS option at first, not because I wanted to try different modes biggrin.gif

What I mean by different starter motor: your Hybrid has start-stop function, which means the starter motor is going to be under lots of stress from much higher usage, so it cannot be identical with that of regular City?
I remember reading that the Bezza with start-stop function uses different starter motor compared to the variants without start-stop function.
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To the bro who faces water leakage from under the door when it rains, you may want to check the door drain holes as shown in red circles in the photo below. If both holes are plugged - for whatever strange reasons, water might build up and flow out from the door trim edge as shown by yellow arrows.

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QUOTE(SMH @ Apr 7 2019, 09:30 PM)
thanks for pointing that out with picture smile.gif else will be guessing which and where is the holes 😆
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No problem at all, bro.

QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 7 2019, 09:54 PM)
Thanks bro for pointing out the draining holes.
Usually what is the cause of these draining holes blocked? How would you check? Pouring water directly onto the window to see if any water draining out from the holes?
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The holes are pretty big to be easily blocked. I've had many old cars and none of them ever had blocking issue. First I'd try to poke them with metal wire to see they are not plugged. Then can try simulating rain on the external window glass. Whatever water that seeps through the glass into the door will flow out from the holes.

QUOTE(wat de....?! @ Apr 7 2019, 10:13 PM)
Thanks for the info... There's 1 more hole in the middle of the rubber liner, hidden behind it.
I checked visually the holes this morning and found no blockage. Will test with water in later time.
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Ha, I didn't expect the third hole smile.gif
Actually, water seeping into the cabin from the door can also be caused by the weather strip on the door that fails to channel rain water to the bottom of the door. When the door is closed, the weather strip forms a seal which allows water to flow to the bottom of the door instead of into the cabin. Think of it as a "gutter" on our roof. Any misalignment will channel the water the wrong way.

While you are testing with water with door open, you might want to do a test with door closed to see from where the water flows in from.

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 8 2019, 12:00 AM)
IINM, the iDCD battery will assist the normal starter battery to assist in starting the engine during start-stops. This shares the load in starting the engine unlike those on Bezza where it solely relies on the starter battery. I heard this is the reason why Bezza battery 'kongs' faster.
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That was mentioned by the bro who owns Hybrid, and he mentioned it only happens when the car is in EV mode or something like that and cold starts still require the 12V battery.
What we were discussing about is the shorter cranking time needed in the Hybrid viz regular City, which I speculated to be caused by differently-built starter motor in the Hybrid that allows longer life due to start-stop function.
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QUOTE(ITforce @ Apr 8 2019, 12:06 AM)
Guys,

When you collect your new FL, did the screw nuts on both front doors have some red or blue paint on it where when u open the door, you can see there are two nuts in between the door vertically ? and also on the metal on the bottom of the front seat ?
One of the four bot nuts on all the four rims has an "X" light blue paint  marked on it ...

Is this normal ?
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If you look at the engine bay, you can see most, if not all, of the bolts are marked too.

From an engineering perspective, I speculate the possible reasons:

1. As babylon52281 mentioned, it indicates that the marked bolts have been torqued with the proper torque value. Now, why do we need to mark the bolt instead of torquing each bolt as we fasten it? Well, in industries (non-car), the bolts/nuts will first be tightened lightly. Then the proper torque will be applied manually. Hence, it's not practical to torque every bolt the moment it is fastened. Also, there is a proper pattern to torque bolts, for example, the star pattern for even force, when torquing our wheels. It's not like how typical tyre shop people do it - simply whack from point A to point B. So, there is a risk of bolts not torqued if they are not marked.

2. It allows for easy visual identification of loosened bolt/nut. In every new machine, vibrations may loosen certain bolts/nuts despite the torquing done. As it is neither practical nor possible to check the torque value of every nut/bolt in an inspection, manufacturers can pick a few problematic areas and observe the marking to see any loosening. Hence, I reckon the mechanics are supposed to check key components/bolts for loosening during our 1k inspection.

3. It discourages parts swapping by unscrupulous dealers. If you see that your alternator mounting bolts don't have properly aligned markings, you know it has been tampered with.

and other reasons I can't think of now.


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QUOTE(boxer07 @ Apr 8 2019, 03:54 PM)
just realised the SC never tighten properly my cover after changing engine oil....damn ...
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Which cover? The engine oil top up cover?
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QUOTE(SMH @ Apr 9 2019, 07:46 AM)
Sell me 1 pleaseeeeee!! 🤩🤩🤩

i aksed a small grill door/window factory to cut the ori bolt and joint with longer bolt but they denied to do it, too petty and hassle i guess. since you can do welding please makeup 1 set and sell me la smile.gif
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My spare tyre doesn't move from its position even without being secured.
The only major movement would be during car turtling and rear collision, but since ours is sedan, it doesn't concern me.
In a rear collision, the biggest danger is not whether the spare tyre is secured or not - it's the presence of spare tyre itself, which introduces an object much harder to deform compared to the rear crumple zone.
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Dear All,
When renewing insurance under HIP at Honda dealer, do they need original VOC or photocopy VOC (or both not needed) if I renew my insurance at the branch I got my car from, or another branch? I only have the photocopy.
And is original or photocopy VOC needed if I renew my insurance with a different insurance company?


QUOTE(kahjun @ Apr 10 2019, 09:47 AM)
Came through some products like https://shopee.com.my/High-Quality-Car-Sile...3500.1645907870 at shopee, which they said is applied to the doors to reduce noise, anyone tried any of these kind of products before ? how's the result ?
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I have not tried, and I don't think I will. Will it cause water leakage because it might interfere with the "compression" of the door weather strip?
In addition, that might be good for wind noise, but I think nothing beats a proper soundproofing using insulation as the strip doesn't filter tyre/road noise.

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