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post Feb 16 2019, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 16 2019, 10:53 AM)
Just check stock goodyear excellence got "side facing outwards" marking. This is not directional but asymmetric tyre. Going for 10km service today, recommend to upgrade fully synthetic oil right? What is the code number?
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If you choose tyre balancing n rotation, please ensure they know you want to follow the pattern in the user's manual. Mark each wheel the original position (FR, RR, FL, RL).
I got charged rm128.49 for the fully syn oil, which I find acceptable compared to the default oil.

And if your coolant is low, either tell them to refill with coolant or leave it. You don't want them to put in tap water.
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post Feb 16 2019, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 16 2019, 11:58 AM)
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So basically, the stock tyres are unidirectional but asymmetric? As long the correct sidewall is facing the proper way, it doesn't matter where the wheels are rotated to? I am not really sure how SC can screw things up unless they removed the tyres from the wheels and missed installed them.
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Yes, so the pattern should follow "tyres without rotation mark".

QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 16 2019, 12:43 PM)
Advisor say this is their SC operating procedure when do tyre rotation so cannot do it any other way. His reasoning is tyre wear is different so switch left and right will cause the car go sideway.
Agree with you, better do it outside easier and cheaper too. But have to spend time go to tyre shop get it done.

Another twist. The advisor show me the page in owner's manual. I explanation to him our stock tyre do not have "rotation" marking. So it should follow the "tyres without rotation marks" diagram. Now he say he will do it for me. But if car got "pulling" sideway after rotation he is not responsible.
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Duh, it's exactly due to uneven wear on left/right that necessitates rotation so that on the fourth rotation, each tyre would have been fixed in all positions. If we follow the SC pattern, the tyres will return to ori position on the next rotation, and one side will wear out more because of uneven camber.

Edit: and pulling sideway can be due to poor alignment, not tyres that have barely covered 10k km.

And today I discovered all my 4 tyres have exactly 200kPa pressure after my servicing yesterday, not the recommended 230/210 kPa.

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post Feb 16 2019, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 16 2019, 01:28 PM)
Lolz! Its becoz tyre wear is different between left and right which is why need to do cross rotation. At first may feel some abnormal movement, but after start to even out the wear, it will be back to normal.
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On a properly maintained and rotated set of tyres, the wear would be very similar in all tyres, hence there should be no noticeable feeling after a rotation, or at least not on my rides. Psychological effect, perhaps?
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post Feb 16 2019, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 16 2019, 03:44 PM)
Still depends on driving style and driving loads. Like for me, 80% of my driving is by myself hence more load on right side. In that case, there should be more wear on right side tyres after some use. Depending on how long some would have kept the sequence, once rotated left-right there could be noticeable difference in driving dynamics for those who are sensitive.
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In the grand scheme of things, the weight of the sole occupant of the car may not matter much - and that is assuming your car is properly balanced (left vs right) in the first place, which nobody can be sure of. And I assume the manufacturers have factored in the driver's weight, as again it's assumed most cars are single-occupancy vehicles.
And I did add "on a set of properly maintained and rotated tyres"...

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post Feb 16 2019, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(ITforce @ Feb 16 2019, 07:11 PM)
My rear passenger window is hit by small stone while I driving and now the window glass exterior has a,tiny 1mm chip causes by the stone.

Would the chip break the window or the window will shattered to crack later on?
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I think it's unlikely to break. I've had chips on front windscreen which did not worsen.

In any case, if it propagates, you still have time to change it. Or you can get it patched up by those glass specialist.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 16 2019, 10:02 PM)
Ooh... Honda SC can give you this results? But yeah, its biased to Right.
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Crap. I paid for alignment and didn't get this report.
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QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 16 2019, 10:39 PM)
Can you tell me how to read this report? Initial and final reading are the same. Advisor told me initial and final same reading means good.
He also remark in the invoice pulling to RHS after doing rotation.
Have they done a proper alignment job?
Comment/Complaint/Info: REMARK

ALREADY iNORND AND EXLAPLAINED TO CUSTOMER ThAT IF DO CROSS ROTATION TYRE WILL CAUSE
THE CAR TO PULLING A SIDE WHEN DRIVING.

-CUSTOMER ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT AND REQUEST TO PROCEED ON THE CROSS ROTATION
-DURING ALIGNMENT PROCESS FOUND oUT CAR GOT PULLING TO RHS AFTER DOING THE ROTATION
AND INFORMED CUSTOMER ABOUT IT-
**CUSTOMER PFQUEST TO USE IT FIRST **

-DEALER ALREADY INFORMED CUSTOMER THAT IF CAR GOT PULLING AND NEED TO RE-ALIGNMENT
AND BALANCING THERE WILL BE A CHARGES OF rM 75.00

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Wait... shouldn't they check the alignment after rotating tyres, like how all tyre shops do it? What is the logic of checking alignment, then rotate tyres?

Edit: oh, so they confirmed car pulls to one side and didn't correct it because you asked for the proper way to rotate tyres? Or do they expect to see perfect alignment each time they check it if you had allowed them to rotate tyres their way?

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Guys, are you given the original invoice or carbon copy after paying each servicing and signing the invoice?

QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 16 2019, 11:17 PM)
Different SC different practice? That's not good for HM.
They give me the report but I have questions on the out of specs alignment result. Crap also?
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At least you know your alignment is out. Me? I don't even know if they really checked. I'll feedback to the service manager.

QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 16 2019, 11:31 PM)
Yeah, they confirmed car pull to RHS after proper way of tyre rotation.
Can it be corrected since they know it already? Isn't the purpose of alignment to make it within their spec?
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Exactly, that's the purpose. But they didn't do it because you asked to rotate the proper way, it seems.

Do check your tyre pressure. Mine was set to 200kPa all round. And the spare tyre pressure was not checked, let alone topped up to 420kPa. I had to do all this today.
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QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 16 2019, 11:53 PM)
I get the blue carbon copy. Without report you really don't know what have they done. Worse case alignment could be out also. Let us know the service manager feedback.
Have yet to check tyre pressure, will check tomorrow morning.
Now reading the last statement again. Are they saying they can fix it with another payment for "re-alignment"? This is totally not acceptable.

-DEALER ALREADY INFORMED CUSTOMER THAT IF CAR GOT PULLING AND NEED TO RE-ALIGNMENT
AND BALANCING THERE WILL BE A CHARGES OF rM 75.00
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from the service report, it does seem that they imply if the alignment is out after they rotate your tyres based on the pattern you requested, they will charge you RM75 for it. Which is confusing, because you paid for tyre rotation and alignment and they are supposed to correct any misalignment detected in the first place.

It's like saying, if you rotate tyres based on their pattern, they will correct the alignment if misalignment is found after the tyre rotation. And if you rotate tyres based on your own pattern (which ironically is the recommended pattern), they will not correct any misalignment detected and you will pay for the alignment correction again.

Now you have a misalignment which is not corrected, which the SC thinks is a result of your tyre rotation pattern?
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post Feb 17 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 17 2019, 10:59 AM)
I just walk around in sales area and didn't see it but they should do it. They charge for "alignment and balancing (cross rotation)".
I only read the detail when I get home. So I talked to advisor on the phone, according to him final reading is good after he consult the service team. I need to ask him again if the above is what he actually mean. I am also confused why he say the report is good.
By the way, did they put any weight after balancing?
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I didn't check if they added or changed any counterweights. May I know why you asked?
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post Feb 17 2019, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(otnuus @ Feb 17 2019, 12:22 PM)
I get mixed up. that is on wheel balancing and not alignment right?
By the way, tyre pressure is lower too same like you. But that is based on petrol station pump so not sure on the accuracy. Anyway I pump to 230/210. Usually I pump 220/210.
From driving around don't feel the car drift to side when I let go of the steering. I read that toe will not cause pulling but tyre will wear faster. Plan to go SC tomorrow morning to sort this out. Should I insist the final reading to be within specs after alignment?
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The weights are to balance the wheel.

For tyre pressure, I think it doesn't matter how accurate the pump at petrol station is. What's important is knowing they pumped in the same pressure in all tyres, which is incorrect.

Idk, but if I were you, I'd ask them whether they corrected the alignment after rotation. Ask them
1. the reason for recommending alignment checking in the first place.

2. Whether the alignment would not run if they rotated using their pattern - otherwise why they recommend alignment checking in the first place?

3. Whether there's any difference in the effort and tools it takes to correct any misalignment found after each of the two rotation patterns. If no difference, why must you pay rm75 for correcting it?
And did they charge you rm75 for the first alignment checking? Cannot be that expensive.
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QUOTE(yeowwwai @ Feb 18 2019, 10:08 PM)
Woah! So it's not just me, did you get an alignment or something else done to try to fix the problem? It is really annoying to have to steer a little bit to the right to keep it straight..
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 19 2019, 01:08 AM)
Mine too doesn't steer straight, on slow-mid speeds can feel car moving slightly left so constantly need to make adjustments. I read that some makers purposely do so for RHD cars, to keep driver concentration and alert even when driving on straight roads (those going KL-JB NS highway will know what I mean). Also another reason that some said is normally tiring drivers will keep to left lane so if the person falls asleep, the car will veer left and into guardrail or shallow ditch and not to right where it can be more dangerous. Yes, it is annoying though.
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My ride has no such issue from Day 1. Recently had my alignment and tyre balancing done at SC, still drives straight.

QUOTE(danthe0 @ Feb 19 2019, 07:16 AM)
So you're fine with continuously micro-correcting to keep the car straight ?
I mean, one of the feature Mazda introduced G Vectoring, was to solve the case where drivers need to perform minor steering corrections so that the car moves straight smoothly.
If you need to constantly straighten your car, that is a flaw, not a feature.
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+1.
None of my rides show this flaw because I'd get it corrected if they had.

QUOTE(dickybird @ Feb 19 2019, 11:34 AM)
Anyone else get sms from their SC about their schedules service is due at 5 months after their last service? Or is it just a Belux Honda Kepong issue?
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My 10k svc was due on 14 or 15 Feb. I serviced on time last week. I received SMS today, reminding me my nx service is due in March.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 19 2019, 05:27 PM)
I did alignment at Honda SC. Before and after also I still feel the same. I don't think I could have done anything more.
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Feels strange to me. Did you try seeking advice from tyre shops with alignment sifu? I'm 100% sure my ride doesn't drift or require periodic driver intervention on any road I drive on.
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Feb 19 2019, 05:52 PM)
lemme ask again, would changing the headlight to LED void warranty?
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If someone says yes, another says no, who would you believe? Perhaps the SC people will be in a better position to answer.
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QUOTE(ITforce @ Feb 19 2019, 05:31 PM)
Front bumper at the sides...

Gap look like this civic front bumper gap...
https://www.civicx.com/threads/front-bumper-gap.13791/
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Mine too doesn't have the tightest gap. The boot lid is even worse on the left and right of number plate.

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 19 2019, 06:21 PM)
No. It drives the same b4 and after alignment by SC. Anyways next tyre rotation onwards I will bring it to my tyre pomen so for me this is something temporary (perhaps!) and a good benchmark if my tyre pomen can rectify the issue.
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From my experience, this is exactly one of the issues to correct when we send the car for alignment checking.
I'd get it checked asap since it might affect tyre wear, and surely it cannot be a pleasant way to drive.
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QUOTE(yeowwwai @ Feb 19 2019, 11:45 PM)
I guess I'll have to go back to the Honda SC to get it checked again this weekend. It really annoys me that when the steering wheel is centered, the car does not goes straight.
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Wait...does your car drift only when you centre your steering wheel? Meaning, when the H logo is vertical?
Or each time you let go of the steering wheel, the H logo is not vertical, but the car still goes straight?
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QUOTE(cucikaki @ Feb 20 2019, 11:36 PM)
Hi. Been driving my city for the past 3 years. Bought in 2015. It’s the new Gen but not the current facelifted model.

Everytime i drive behind trailer, lorry or lori sampah i can smell the smell outside. Even at traffic light if the car infront like very old saga or pajero that emits black smoke i can smell it in my cabin.

The aircond vent is set correctly to circulate inside air only. I did mention this to the SC 3 years ago during first inspection. But they say it’s normal. Then i say ok lo.

Recently my friend bought a new honda city, and while i was in his car, we were driving behind a lorry that emits black smoke, then i realised his car the outside air doesnt go into the cabin.

Then i start to wonder whether the SC that tells me it’s normal for Honda City can smell outside air is realiable or not.

My fellow city friends, any comments? What about your car, especially those who using the 2014-2016 model, before the facelift in 2017. Do u have same problem with me?
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My FL City does not have this issue. I don't think the mechanism for FL and pre-FL is that different.

If you remove your glove compartment, you can see the flap move when you toggle recirculation on/off. This flap is to stop or allow outside air going into the aircon blower upstream of the cabin air filter. The source of the outside air is the vent at the base of your windscreen.
It's like a "gate". When you select recirculation on, you can see the flap move to the position where the air is sucked from your car interior (hence the word recirculation). You can see whether the flap closes snugly when you switch to recirculation.

Chances are, in your case,:
1. the flap does not close snugly - due to either defects or the actuator that moves the flap itself
2. the flap is deformed
3. the flap is stuck in open position

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QUOTE(Quan920907 @ Feb 22 2019, 08:28 AM)
Morning all sifu,reach 10k milleage service
Need to make appointment or just walk in to service centre?and suggest which SC open on Sunday also
Tq
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Are you aware that you risk voiding warranty if you don't service the car on time?
Hence, it's to your benefit to ensure you secure a slot to avoid this scenario, regardless of whether that SC allows walk-ins.
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QUOTE(arza04 @ Feb 24 2019, 10:59 AM)
Hi everyone

My car will reach 6 months old soon so need to do first service. I have few question to ask experienced owner here

1) When is the best time to schedule service appointment? 1 week / 2 week earlier or longer? I believe honda sc not as many as proton/perodua need queue longer

2) Is the standard maintenance list and price in Honda website already inclusive with fully synthetic 0w-20 or we need to topup a bit to have fully synthetic

3) 10,000km / 6 months service can we skip cabin air filter? So fast already need filter change meh?
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1. It depends on whether your favourite SC has the slot, and you will only know about it if you ring them up to check. What you believe may not be what is happening. What I did was to call them early, book a slot. Closer to the day, if I need to change, I'll ring them up again to change to check for new available slot.

2. Fully synthetic is optional. The SC I went to chose the fully syn package for me, which was fine for me because I would have opted for it anyway.

3. For City petrol version, the maintenance package says to change filter at 10k, whereas it's not stated to be changed for Hybrid model. For my V spec, the SC did not replace the cabin air filter for me. I checked the filter days before servicing, and it was still relatively clean anyway. You may want to clarify with them if the service advisor asks you to change. Btw, the SA should point out the work needed and optional stuffs before proceeding.

QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Feb 24 2019, 01:46 PM)
Went to showroom today to have a look. Kinda feel like getting it in the next one or two months. Can't wait for the 2020 new gen already.
Whats your favorite color?
White?
Dark Grey?
Silver?
Red?
Black?

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Mine is lunar silver, and I find it nice and easy to maintain. Downside is , there seems to be more such colour on the road nowadays, which makes identifying your car in car park a little more difficult biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(SMH @ Feb 25 2019, 03:07 PM)
Is there anyone installed with extra security lock such as Locktech / Geneo pedal double lock?

Mind to share the feedback and your opinion about it? Is there any cons about it? Got better brand that these?

Eg:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/honda-ci...0190225070308:s
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Installed Locktech but removed it after two weeks. Right foot kept touching that thing when braking, especially when wearing sandals and sports shoes.

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