As i’m new to the biking world, im not sure on all the unwritten rules of the road, can any experienced rider share abit? Like how to tell if someone “bakar line”? How to know when its safe to cut other biker during a corner? Cannot cut at all?

Here’s a few from me:

1. At traffic light tu, janganlah block the only fking way to the wide spot of roads. Ie. Don’t fking stop directly beside 2 cars if in front/around got alot of space! You’re causing all biker to queue in 1 line beside car - dangerous.

2. Lanesplitting, seriously do not farking race across traffic while lanesplitting, anything above 30km/h speed difference with other traffic jem is TOO dangerous, FU to those tailgaters causing unnecessary stress coz you’ll never know when they will do something stupid.

3. Don’t tailgate car, dont stay directly behind cars!! No matter u using 999mm brembo brake also no use, cars will always outbrake you in day to day situation. Also, u will lose your life if you tailgate and crash, as compared to driving, u lose your insurance only if crash while tailgating.

4. Similar to above, as a biker, please lah don’t, DO NOT follow cars traffic speed, you are annoying as fuck to car drivers. I hate the most when I driving and got bikes always speed matching with me. Apalanciao, you either cut me and get the fuck off or move away to slow lane. You are not safe riding at 100km/h at fastlane eventho all cars are moving at 100km/h.

5. Stop jumping the red light. Just.. stop.

6. Do not roadrage VS cars, you will undeniably die if you met someone that is not a pondan. Ie. For me i will without a question bang the fk out of you until you fly if you actually triggered me unnecessarily. I’m a biker myself, but no mercy for orang bodoh.

What bike are you riding?

Do you know you are suppose to stop behind the line?
Car or bike, stop behind the line at the traffic light. Don't fcking stop in front at the wide spot. That area sometimes is for padestrian to cross the road.

Sorry but I'm those who stop behind the line.

7. Loud pipes save lives... not as much as a loud horn. People seem to notice horns compared to loud exhaust.

8. Wear bright (or a lot of reflective) jacket in the rain.

9. If can, don't stop under the bridge/flyover when it is raining. If cannot, make sure you dismount your bike and stand waaaay behind the roadside railings.

I stop where it is safe to do so (of course not on zebra crossing) and not blocking others. Most of the time, cars will stop ON the line. But if you're in KL city, make sure you don't go past the motorcycle stop area.

I think all riders should urge government to add more room for bikers & cyclists to stop and ride safely while waiting for traffic light to go green.



This is how foreign country implement it and the gov clearly doesn't respect and care about cyclists in Msia since countless number of riders being hit and killed by larger vehicles since the road design is not friendly to cyclists.

1. Give way to delivery riders (pizza, foodpanda delivereat etc) these guys are riding for a living to a schedule and they don't wanna be stuck behind the numpty who thought taking his versys/GS with panniers as wide as a car in rush hour traffic would be a good idea.

2. Give way to anything going faster than you, whether its a 50cc kapchai, vespa or whatever. You don't know why they are going fast (might be a personal emergency) so don't let your ego force yourself to stay in their way (because small bike cannot potong big bike everrrrr!!1!11) or try to keep up with them. Let them go and ride your own ride.

3. Don't overtake other riders unless its safe (straight road which you can see quite far ahead) and they wave you by. Applies to both group and solo riding. Never overtake other riders on blind corners.

4. If you have to use your horn, do multiple quick beeps (like a machine gun firing) rather than one long beep; IMO from experience this works better at getting drivers' attention.

5. If you see a car enter your lane from a junction up ahead, watch out for 'copycat' drivers who will try to follow them into your lane even though its no longer safe (because you've traveled much closer during the time). Don't assume that the car which just entered your lane is the only one.

6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-second_rule

7. https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pace
https://www.cycleworld.com/2013/09/16/becom...d-riding-skills

8. When riding above the posted speed limit in an area; assume that all other road users in the area are assuming that no one else is traveling faster than said speed limit. If you're going 100km/h in a 60km/h zone, assume that everyone else is only expecting people to be travelling at 60km/h, resulting in different expectations of margin of error which you need to be prepared for.

9. Ride like everyone is trying to kill you.

in msia, lane splitting during jam,, hardly hv space to move aside to give way to those tht wana ride faster than you.

and if you do..
most likely there will be a long line of motorbikes tht follow, then when u cont to ride.. there will be another line of bikes wana speed pass u again... lol..

can say tht majority of riders r having ' emergency '..

some can say.. the more msian riders ride reckless d better, cos tht will create more accident, more drivers will be aware of bikers , cos they r famous, n more drivers will wana avoid having accident with motors..

so kinda benefits the more carefull bikers out there...lol..

Not sure why this matters bro... but z900 <1year as my first motorcycle...

When riding a motorcycle, especially in Malaysia - you do not really follow everything by-the-book. I stop wherever it's safe, and the place i ride usually have no pedestrian crossing. I'm not riding in downtown London or NYC.

Stopping behind the line is OK, as long as you don't cause alllll other motorcyclists to stop in 1 straight line just because u blocked the entrence, you're just causing traffic jem, and unnecessary dangers to others.

Do you realise how dangerous is it to stop in-between 2 cars? When the lights turn green, and all cars are moving, it's even more dangerous for those poor motorcyclists.


Don't be that motor underneath, everyone curses the hell out of him:

XXXX <-- dangerous spot as opposing side cars are turning in the junction
OO <-- Your traffic light

EEEEEEEEEEEEEE <<--- Empty spot
------------------- <line
Cars Motor Cars [Road divider]
Cars Cars [Road divider]
Cars Cars [Road divider]

Bolted line is quoted for the fking truth. This is one of the reasoning i gave to my family when i bought my bikes LOL, everyone in Malaysia who drives a car is very VERY aware of "stupid motorcyclist". They never expect motor to stop, and will usually give way to motorcyclists since there is too many reckless motorcyclist around.

But in no way we should encourage reckless riding... always ride at a pace where you can afford to brake in-time incase of anything.

Agreed! And I think I'm a bit over the top with this, even the slightest wheel turn of a car (on a straight road), I will bleep my horn (not because angry but just to make sure the car knows that I am there).

This post has been edited by Cyphereza: Sep 11 2018, 03:42 PM

Quite understanable that you are new from the questions you asked.

Anyway, ya.... is good, at least you are aware of the danger.

But most of the time it is the ego and “bike control you instead” that kill you

deadwolf

High 5!

Not just you guys lol
I mean, I was almost killed lol

I am new to motorcycling. Found this tips to be the best riding for safety (riding with care towards others at the same time too).

Been driving for more than 20 years, going to get my motorcycle license soon. Riding myself, opening me up on the things bikers do on the road and understand them.

Most of the tips here are valid. Thanks.

ATGATT
All The Gear, All The Time.

also don't stop under bridges when raining and cause unnecessary jam.

so your only experience is with big bike? no kapchai or other small2 bikes? if this is true then no wonder you came out with this list.

i tend to agree, but riding a kapchai, small cc scooters are very different from big and heavy bikes.


and if i may add,
not everyone wanna ride fast. well im not always riding like orang gila(but i always gila).
sometimes i just wanna cruise along the highways, or on any road. but often kena squeeze off by a car.

was on left lane, suddenly a car pancung/squeeze from fast lane directly to 3rd lane and vice versa.

changing lane at coner.

at times riding big bike along with small cc bikes can be annoying..and i always let my friend be arrow head, or i will be a sweeper.

but then, please ride safely.

This one I disagree. Kapcai riders may think the gap is wide, but if you're riding a >600cc bike it may not be.

Besides, what's wrong with queuing up once in a while? Naik kapcai ada hak istimewa kah? This mentality is the root of most problems with bikers.




This too I disagree. There is NOTHING wrong riding a bike without wringing the throttle to the max. Tailgating is annoying, sure, but surely you can't fault someone who follows the traffic flow like a decent person should.

That said, bikers who can't overtake should let others pass instead of holding up the traffic on the right lane. But that's basic traffic rule which applies to all vehicles.


If I have one unwritten rule to contribute, it would be this:

DO NOT RIDE A MOTORCYCLE WITH A FEELING OF SELF-ENTITLEMENT.

In the traffic jungle, bikes are the insects at the bottom of the traffic collision food chain. If you hit others, you die. If others hit you, you also die. So just ride as if you truly acknowledge that fact.

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Sep 13 2018, 02:01 PM

Yup, that has been my riding motto for some time already. Thing is, always use mirrors and see what's behind you. Practice 360 safety. I also sometimes glance upwards...never know if a satellite might crash on me!

Commuting to and from work every day on my bike, I always tell myself...

RIDE DEFENSIVELY.

Which means you have to be super aware of the traffic around you at all times, and act proactively so as not to allow other vehicles to put you in a dangerous situation.


For example, if you see that ditzy bitch driver in front is busy texting, make sure you overtake or steer clear of her. If you see lorries merging into your lane, get the hell out of that spot to avoid being squeezed off the road. When filtering, always watch where the front wheels of cars are pointing - they are the earliest indication of any sudden pull-outs... so if you have to slow down to observe, then slow the fuck down and don't zoom in between cars like a hero.

Most motorcycles are well endowed with enough power-to-weight ratio to allow you to light up the afterburner and go supersonic within seconds. Use that power to get out of potential trouble and avoid unwanted traffic situations.

Hehe disagree.... my twin Yoshimurahs are the best investment I ever made on my bike. Cars really do pay attention when they hear that throaty roar, so that always helps out in traffic.

So I have hardly ever had to sound my horn at other cars. In fact, the only time I use my horn is (ironically) when fuckwit bikers casually jump the divider in front of me or ride against the traffic flow towards me. Fucking idiots.

Cheapo LED spotlights help make me noticeable in cars' rearview mirrors too.

Hate all these HD riders. All Gaya but safety is lowest priority.
No safety gears.

Nolah, don't hate them lah. Just hope that they see the light and wake up to the fact that even though they need gaya, safety must always come first.

Each to their own I guess. Loud pipes can sometimes be white noise to some drivers. Just that, horns are front facing and exhaust are rear facing.

You haven't seen litre bike rempits before? Apart from just wearing t-shirts going 200++ km/h, if at karak, they'll overtake you real effin close.

them also. Got money but big bike buy cannot afford basic safety riding gears
I do get laughed by some because I wear safety jacket with chest amour, gloff, knee shin protection.... Even steering my daily ride to work. Some laugh at me asking , go racing ah ?

This post has been edited by skyblu3: Sep 13 2018, 04:45 PM

I do wonder how many of these riders actually own their bikes, as opposed to having them on some insane loan with no hope of repayment.

Another issue with t-shirt and jeans on sportbikes is that the wind tends to lift up the back of the shirt at speed...been exposed to way too many buttcracks this way

I wear full gear ride my Demak kapchai

Wind doesn't lift leather.
However when you're tumbling on the road in excess of 100kph, it WILL roll up.

That's why they are zipper/tied down to your riding pants.

I learned by losing a good portion of stomach skin.
Road rash sucks.

On that same note, jeans work like tissue paper on the road.
Lost a lot of thigh skin learning that.

Did I say road rash sucks?

if you actually consider banging the so-called 'orang bodoh' then u are actually no different than him/her. LOL.

Not only HD riders.
If observe the sportbike / DP / Gold Wing riders, they also have the same mentality.
Just wearing t-shirt, jeans, gloves and maybe riding boots while blasting down the public roads at high speeds.

Disclaimer: Picture just for illustration only.

Good bro

I'm sure you rather sweat a bit than to bleed .

Amazing. Not even gloves

Some famous local vlogger also don't wear safety gears and speed on public roads. Rubbish.

I somewhat about skeptical in this. I prefer brake over horn. Horn is like hey driver, I'm here, please make necessary adjustment for my safety. Brake is more on me making adjustment for my own safety. I prefer in control rather put my safety on someone else who may or may not notice. Furthermore bike can always out maneuver and overtake car during traffic jam every time so choose the safest time.

Lol... of course la horn + do some action
Agree on your points tho

Seems plenty HD rider hater around here... Sad..

I tell ya all the secret, More PATCH on the leather vest, the more protection it provide.. FREEDOM!




This post has been edited by ajaibman: Sep 18 2018, 09:43 PM

For your first point, refer back to my 1st page post with some visual. Your sentences is all over the place so i'm not sure what exactly you're trying to contribute here.
If a >600cc bike "thinks" that the spot is NOT wide enough for himself, at least DON'T block it for everyone else la. I myself ride a z900 for first bike and have no experience riding any smaller bikes, but i am well aware that i am not the king of the road, unlike you who look down on kapchai and don't want to give way to kapchai saying stupid shit like "Naik kapcai ada hak istimewa kah?"

For your second point, that's a good summary of what i just wrote, so agree that DO NOT RIDE A MOTORCYCLE WITH A FEELING OF SELF-ENTITLEMENT, and you riding and eating up 1 lane and keeps on following a car at their blindspot or making it hard for them to switch lane because you're speedmatching, then when car want to switchlane - you go cut and horn horn thinking you own the road. Also, it's quite annoying that my car has a blindspot monitor which lights up my sidemirror and gives intermittent beeps forever as the bikes just fking sticks around forever.

In summary, riding a motorcycle as if you're driving a car is a stupid idea in Malaysia at least. That's what i learned from multiple close call during my first 9 months on the road on a motorcycle. However on my 20+ years of car driving experience, is only very rarely i see bikes do that - so now i'm guessing they are just new riders, hence this post is to educate newer rider. Care to contribute instead of ego-boosting yourself? Ya most probly your comeback will be like "wah gua boss riding 99years what u 9months old noob know la - judging by the way your responses are


Yeap, it is what it is, sad right - even with me riding a motorcycle, i still give no mercy to motorcyclist trying to act like a gangster when i'm driving a car. Without a doubt, you'll get sideswiped if you met the wrong person. So don't risk road-raging, i myself won't roadrage when on a bike.

i think you guys misunderstood each other at some points..

anyway hard to change local riders mentality...

gomen oso gave up with all those kempen keselamatan jalan raya.. every year fatalities continue to increase...

i agree with ' freedom '

riding a motorbike is to get out of the 'cage'..

to feel the wind blasting on ur face and body..

full suit ff helmet balaclava earplugs.. u know wht i mean..

to them.. might as well not ride at all..

Yeah this is a really good point, about taking responsibility for yourself rather than putting it in the hands of other road users.

I used to use the horn quite often until I read a post on reddit which explained that using the horn takes valuable time/brainpower away from braking. I think the comparison was something like this:

Use horn but no brakes >> no guarantee that car will stop >> car doesn't stop >> you crash into car while horning.

Use brakes but no horn >> no guarantee that car will stop >> car doesn't stop >> shit your pants from the shock but manage to stop before hitting car because you started braking earlier.

Now I focus more on planning ahead and slowing down in advance. It's less stressful, fewer nasty surprises and feels smoother. No difference in overall travel time either. Still save the horn for the more competence-challenged road users when its safe to do so though.


More patches = more ablative material between you and the road if end up crashing and sliding...

This post has been edited by deadwolf: Sep 19 2018, 11:00 AM

Wow.. so much anger, are you Romano Fenati in disguise.

There is thousand reason on why rider do what they do and many more obstacle on why they didn't do what they suppose to do. For filtering, some time the gap get narrower I stuck between 2 cars. With no where to go I stop at what ever point I am. You see, while filtering is legal, it is not in any way become your right, it is merely an opportunity. So when you stuck, just treat it as lost of opportunity. honking neither make you go any faster nor make me move.

At one time, I accidentally rode so fast and left my gang so far behind and need to slow down for them to catch back. Riding below speed limit in highway is dangerous. What I did is follow closely behind moving car. In any case if the other vehicle did not see me, at least they will see the car to which I attach. This is defensive riding. If some rider match your car speed, this might be a valid reason thus the 101 guide no 10.

Oh.. your Z900 literary small to my bike, and this might be why we have a difference riding approach. Just enjoy your ride.

WOw,

why don't we discuss this in a TT, not in forum, this is not /k we all riders and brothers/sister.

Let me know if you guys keen to the TT let me organize it.

I drive can ah? But my schedule now would be very difficult to work around with

Ok let’s not turn this thread which already contain numerous useful advice and viewpoint from more experienced riders into a /k style topic.

I can imagine everyone will have their own viewpoint and it’s good to share with new and old riders alike, same as how im sharing my view as a car driver for 2 decades + as a brand new rider.

Keep the useful advice or unwritten rules on the roads as a motorbikers coming in guys.

this is a very sad + unlucky case..

if you hv watch tis dashcam on fb sukan startv etc..

kapchai rider jz cruising on the leftmost lane, seems he hit something, the bike jumped lost control..

the truck? wit dashcam jz ran over him..

so riders.. u cant afford to even take 1% of attention off the road while riding..

Nice topic, haven't logged into the forum for awhile.

Ironically, if you're not prepared to die, don't ride a bike. However, while dying may not be an issue, paralysis can be a lifelong problem that affects those closest to you. To me, biking is like going to war, you can take as many precautions as you want, the elements of risk surrounding the activity itself remains highly volatile and unpredictable.

As for my 2 cents on how to try to stay in one piece, which may not be applicable to you, but I bear them in my mind when I ride:

1. Ride with a clear mind and a clear conscience. If you are troubled in some way, trouble will find you on the road. Biking requires full concentration, all the time. Unlike driving a car, you need both hands and feet in active coordination, eyes constantly peeled front and back, left and right.

2. Say a prayer before and during your ride. Even if there is no god, it will calm your mind. A calm mind works better, reacts faster.

3. Ride within your 50% to 70% effort only, even when you want to speed away or whack a corner. Someone taught me this, and if you can figure out what this means, you'll appreciate this rule.

As for armor, it's always advisable to suit up all the time, but I don't, so I won't go around saying that everyone should. It's your life, it's your bike, it's your ride, so it's your responsibility, your fate and your destiny. Hope lady luck rides with you all the time.

Happy biking.

Stays within your limits, NOT bike limits.

Remember, not matter how expensive your bike is, you'll loose if go against cheap old run down 'kancil' Ride defensively, not aggressively.

One of the otai in lowyat taught that we should ride at the speed that we can minimise the use of brake (except engine braking) and i as a new rider found it really useful in daily commute. But forgot who😓

anyone ride with working clothes and then armor on the outside?

will it become all wrinkle when reach office?

I used to wear office attire to office with riding jacket and riding shoes (TCX X-Ville, which can be accepted as office shoe). My office attire not too much wrinkle, I use cotton and wrinkle-free shirts. Nowadays I can wear anything to work, so, wrinkle shirts are not a problem.



This post has been edited by Cyphereza: Sep 20 2018, 03:50 PM

Personally I prefer to ride to work in bike gear and change at office.

Imagine all that shifting while wearing your best smart shoes...

@Cyphereza has a nice compromise - wear bike shoes/boots while riding and switch to smart shoes at the office.

Yep, to do that, you need to ensure when you kill the throttle, the engine brakes for you, and that means just ride on 1st gear all the way, quite sure you'd rarely need to pull the brake lever to slow down.

Use the brakes, get used to using it, feel it, feel the stopping force, know it's limits, practice modulation, and know what the rear brakes can and cannot do.

When I used to ride to office i wear full riding gear only pants I use knee pads.

Change dress shoes and my dress shirt, tidy up/style my hair

Me.
But I don't care. Safety first.

Actually, the TCX X-Ville is my working shoes.
It's waterproof too

What kind/brand of knee pads? Any photos?

P/s for tips:
1. For those wearing office attires, make sure your riding jacket is not TOO snug. Loose it a bit (loose the adjusters on the jacket, do not buying one size up) to avoid nasty wrinkles.
2. Invest in some waterproof riding shoes. This will make you feel more comfortable than a soaked shoe. But the waterproof will deteriorate over the years.
3. Invest in BRIGHT NEON coloured rain coat. This will help other vehicles to see you better in the rain.
4. When in an EMERGENCY, to stop quickly, if you have ABS, PULL the clutch and hit BOTH brakes.
5. If riding in the city, cover the front brakes with one or two fingers.

This post has been edited by Cyphereza: Sep 21 2018, 08:08 AM

http://www.komine.ac/products.php?function...&category_id=10

Saved my knees couple of times, glad I can still walk lol

Does it feel uncomfortable or make you feel unnatural when moving around?

Nope

But I assume you wouldn't want to be seen in that walking around the office lol

It's really easy to put on/off, pretty compact for storage as well

How is this knee protector ?
Are the straps good? Able to hold it in place?

I'm using this everyday. The upper strap is weak, the protector tend to slide down a bit.

No problem for mine
It is also CE certified, and I've had 2 accidents wearing it

indeed very very important point about safety gear;

For all commuters, it is very important to at the very bare minimum wear these :

Knee pads, a cheap made-in-china one is way more protective then your jeans alone, these type very easy to wear & take off, also can put in saddlebag/backpack when you reach your destination.
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Even more important is; a glove!! I personally never rode a bike without a glove, sometimes forget - but still U-turn go home take glove. As falling off a bike already sucks majorly, try to minimize the damage... and those better designed gloves will have a palm slider (IMPORTANT), so you don't bust your collarbone while bracing an impact with your hand.
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slalom riding anyone?

always practice defensive riding

Do these go under or over the jeans?

I think on top of the jeans... and siap sedia laaa kena bahan

Over bro

WHO: Malaysia is Third in Road Deaths in ASEAN and Asia

https://www.bikesrepublic.com/featured/who-...asean-and-asia/


no surprise....

Want to share a related story a few months back on one of my trips to Seremban.

I was riding around 1 or 2pm in the afternoon and somewhere near the Nilai exit, I saw three vehicles on middle and right-most lane 'racing'. One was a blue pickup (Isuzu, I think?), and two sedans whose make I can't remember. They were weaving through traffic more aggressively than kapchais, forcing people to give way, and I thought to myself: "That's just begging for trouble."

Lo and behold, around 10~15km later, past the Nilai North exit, there was a long ass traffic jam. I slowly lanesplit to the front and what do I find? The blue pickup had collided with one of the sedans and a third vehicle, which was a white VW Golf, IIRC. All three were wrecked, and I think the Golf was carrying children, who were crying by the roadside but thankfully okay. Not sure if anyone was seriously injured as I had to move along to give way to the PlusRonda.

This kind of road bullying and aggressive driving is not limited to 4 wheels. Bikers can be pretty aggressive too, especially on motorcycle lanes and narrow paths. Just a few days ago I saw them cucuk one of those three wheeler kapchais used by OKU that was also carrying a passenger...on a toll-side motorcycle lane. Like come on lah, be more considerate.

Hard to stop this kind of bad driving and riding unless there's more enforcement. Our road users are just naturally unconcerned with the well-being of others, so it doesn't surprise me that we're 3rd on that list.

i wonder if the menteri transport dare to introduce some 'international standard' law

regarding motorbike lane filtering n splitting.... LOL....

if he can reduce road deaths in 4 years, that will be revolutionary.....

The way I ride is to assume that everyone on the is out there to get me.

being chase by some one like those in the movies?


tht how rempit rides.. to 'loose' some one getting them... lol...

u ride as fast as u can..to ge away frm everyone...

Lol. it is actually the opposite for me. I ride as slow as I can (within speed limit) so I got more reaction time. I am actually very scared to ride fast.

Only Sometimes I will speed when the road is clear or to overtake some super annoying slow drivers who doesn't know how to keep to the left

Problem here is always enforcement. Laws can be introduced, but must be enforced to make sure people follow. To make things worse, Malaysian mentality is always 'it's fine as long as I don't get caught'.

Imagine if they introduce a law against filtering to either limit filtering speeds or eliminate filtering outright...it would be hell to enforce because bikes are everywhere.

in Utah USA

Another tip: If possible don't be the first motorcyclist to go when traffic light is green.

What tyre is most suitable for my bike?
Now using Honda Dash V2,
For raining,

Read this article in The Sun Daily today which I find is true

Or if you do, when turn green keep look left right and straight before even move, many rider/driver in Malaysia seeing traffic light as another road ornament..

stay on the left most lane when queuing the light, especially when your bike are the 1st to arrive at the junction, car driver especially tend not to see bike stopping even in a broad day light..

I learnt this the hard way back when I was a new kapchai rider...many years later...old habits die hard lah...but thankfully, much more careful now

If I were the first to arrive, I would rather be in the middle of the lane. Yes, it is a bad choice but car driver who can't see a stopping bike in front is a distracted driver and will hit you even if you on the left most side. By stopping in the middle, the car will hit your bike, not you. The mass and the chassis of the bike will absorb most of the impact energy and transfer to you as a secondary impact with much less energy. Yes you get thrown away from the car which is better than under the car.

By stopping at the left side, there is high probability for the car directly hit you especially you leg and flip you under the car. It is also the reason I ride in the middle of the lane when I ride slow. The idea is not to give enough space for the car behind or incoming to filter trough. Yea, the thing most hated by car driver is seeing bike filtering during jam but given a chance, car will do the same if rider is slow. This is dangerous and where hit and run case usually happen.

The other benefits of riding in the middle is if car do filtering beside you, you still have enough space to move aside to a proper tarmac, not to dirt or grass or longkang.

Lastly, if accident do happen, your bike being in the middle will block the car from running away.

there is case where the driver is having seizure, n the car just plow tru everthing @ high speed.

this is an example.. c the kapchai pinned on the wall... sad...



so hv to make sure wht is happening behind you.
by checking the mirror always... when there is no other car stopped behind your bike..

now the trend is riding on the lines/lane spliting whether got jam or no jam, slow bike do, fast bike oso do, esp on federal hiway.

This post has been edited by basilisk: May 20 2019, 08:06 AM

one possibility is..

if the road is 2 lane with opp traffic direction..

idiot driver tak sabar wana cut u.. n u riding in the middle..

he will purposely cut u so close n might even knock u off cos he is 'angry' at u blocking.

instead if u notice these kinda idiot driver @ the back, u can

slow down move abit to the side n let him pass. ....

so the choice is up to 'you' bikers...

plenty of 'idiots' on the road...

I guess each of us have our own safe riding method. Might be safe for us but not for others. What I recommend for those new riders reading this is to take all the advice in and see what works for you and what not. Not every method is suitable for everyone.

All in all we just want to get home safely to our loved ones and live to ride again another day

yes agree.

but the rempits will say thts their 'safe riding' method as well..... lol...

true but if new riders wish to follow them then we have no control over them but these:

Bike does not have crumple zone unlike cars.. just saying...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a2...es-on-the-road/

1. stopping at the middle is very bad, target fixation for cars do happen also, if the whole traffic light you're the only thing stopped at the middle.... errr.. I would much rather take my chances and stop at the left side or right side with my leg resting on the divider. I don't take up a whole lane, i will try to stop at the most extreme left/right so cars can blow past me if they wish. Also, there is no such thing as crumple zone for bike, dude - bikes are made stiff, for performance and reliability for such a small "volume" of vehicle, if someone bang your bike no matter where, you can bet your ass all the kinetic energy will transfer to the rider.

2. holy shit, the bolded line, bro do you even drive? if you do - i think you don't drive enough. You are contradicting yourself, you know it's dangerous, you know car driver hates that the most and will easily trigger roadrage, and you know cars will filter your slow ass. NOW, since you already know all these.... you still ride at middle when SLOW. Dude, wtf? Cars WILL filter your slow ass even if you ride in the middle of the lane, you've just made the situation more dangerous by giving less space for car behind to filter you - they will squeeze, tailgate, and most probally cut straight in front of you because you treat the road like your father's. NOTE: you said you're riding slow, if ride slow takkan u still cannot react to cars in front masuk your lane? or u never ever want to touch the brakes izzit? if you're riding fast - then by all means take the middle of the road all you want la.

lastly, bike on the middle of the road i'll take my chances and rather go down at the side as compared to right the the middle of the road, i would much rather the car run away than run over me and my bike, remember it's an accident already, shit's unpredictable, ppl might confuse brake/gas pedal, the car might not be able to stop in time, the 2 cars BEHIND might bang the one infront and run you over, the driver might panic and go "o fuk it i ain''t stopping, later rempit group come" and etc etc etc

well... everyone have their own perceived choice of what's "safe", im not attacking you or even trying to change your view - just to tell you i'm completely the opposite of what you shared. Everyone will feel most comfortable at their perceived safe riding, and naturally once you're comfortable - you should technically be safer.

Like I said in the bold part.
Idiot... yes, psychopath... no. No sane man will purposely hit you with a very least reason is the don't want to calar their car. Hopefully I don't encounter one.

Riding bike is dangerous in nature. You don't take a chance and hope for the good. Instead you plan and control the future outcome. Wise man say 'a fail to plan is a plan to fail'. Wise man also say 'in order to predict the future... you create it'. Dont assume, other people wish might not inline with your wish. Explaination below...

By purposely ride a the middle you control when the driver can overtake you. Both of you stated the same outcome. I bet anybody will do. People get angry and easly trigger.
Angry is a result of you controlling them. Nobody likes to be control by others. I can deal with angry driver because angry is intention behaviour and intension will only be execute in control manner. What I can't deal is careless driver missjudge the availabe space to filter and unintensionally hit you.

Now me and the driver behind being inline. Since you can predict the outcome, you can take necessary precaution. You have enough space on your left to play.

I'm not talking abuut crumple zone. I would rather someone bang my bile and get trown than bang on me and get splatted.

Yes, accident do happen.

Lastly... aware of your surrounding at all time, I left out the basic thing like always looking at the side mirror and gradually slowing down at teh trafic light. Make your intension be known by others behind because control works both way.

Hmmm, my views differ from yours.

If I were the first to arrive at a red traffic light, I will stop to the left/right most. Never in the middle of an empty lane, which I think has the most risk of getting rear ended. No matter how or what side the car hit you, it will be painful.

When the road is not in a jam, I never ride slow. Usually I will be a bit faster than other vehicles. If there is a faster car behind me, see first what car, if it is a 400 HP car, I'll give way. If not, I'll pull away.

Dirt is softer than asphalt.

Car will run away if they want to run away. Doesn't matter if they need to reverse or do 3-point turn or even drag your motorcycle if they want to get away.

Me too. But sometime you need to wait your slower colic to catch up. And whe I i ride slow, it mean a tad slower the average current traffic speed. Not till hogging la.

even tho u dont mean crumple zone, but ur statement

"The mass and the chassis of the bike will absorb most of the impact energy and transfer to you as a secondary impact with much less energy. Yes you get thrown away from the car which is better than under the car."

is explaining the crumple zone...

@ traffic light

possibility of driver not able to stop in time is high, yes driver is distracted, but not all distracted driver will be able to plow bikers from left to right and the middle..

a car is only how many feet wide? it is not bigfoot...

drivers distracted cant stop in time.. but they are able to drive a straight line..

so a bike parked to the most side will hv better chance of not getting hit.

trying to digest ur " control behind driver" emotion+ anger..

maybe will add more thoughts later...

This post has been edited by basilisk: May 27 2019, 09:30 AM

this is the latest local car dash cam vid.





which shows a vehicle following 2 kapchai. the kapchai seems to be riding kinda slow n blocks the vehicle behind.

then they move to the side and the vehicle overtakes them.
after a while one of the kapchai rider in a rage, over took and block the vehicle, n smash the windscreen with his helmet.

As we all know.. road users will do all sorts of thing when they are in a rage / angry..

so to say they wont wana ' scratch ' their car, purposely bumping a biker for revenge cos blocking is... naive?

we hv seen alphard driver reverse in purpose to hit the car behind it.

sg cyclist got bumped off the road by lorry driver...

druggie biker punched/slapped female driver caught on cam..

etc etc..

to say one can control other road users' anger.. is like...

better dont try...


This post has been edited by basilisk: May 31 2019, 11:36 AM

It's ok bro. I'm merely saying how and why I did it that way. I'm not saying it's the right way. Don't do it if you not comfortable with it. Don't do it because someone say so. It is not everybody cups of tea.

yes i understand, we are here to provide thoughts for better road safety, it is up to the reader to decide which suits them.

Your thoughts of riding in the middle of the lane should be used depending on they type of road, which i will give some inputs later.

Everyone have their own opinion, we here to share...

For me personally.. will stand on left most lane at the edge of the road during empty traffic light situation..

Eventhoug back side of my bike is as wide as Kancil car, still it is a bike.. not a steel cage..