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post Nov 14 2019, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Sep 13 2018, 02:11 PM)
Yup, that has been my riding motto for some time already. Thing is, always use mirrors and see what's behind you. Practice 360 safety. I also sometimes glance upwards...never know if a satellite might crash on me!
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With all the construction works going on all over the Klang Valley (elevated highways/MRT/cranes/bridges)we have to be aware of what is going on above us as well. Noted that there are a few incidences of things dropping/collapsing..

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post Nov 14 2019, 02:20 PM

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Crash review n riding tips from " Dan Dan the fireman"

" space cushion " doesnt apply here for most riders ..... biggrin.gif


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post Nov 15 2019, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 14 2019, 02:20 PM)
Crash review n riding tips from " Dan Dan the fireman"

" space cushion " doesnt apply here for most riders .....  biggrin.gif
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Basically doesn't apply to most Malaysian road users. Riders yes, but I've experienced being tailgated by cars quite a lot too, and usually expensive ones like Honda, Audi, Mercedes, etc.. This often happens if I'm slowing down and about to exit highway or a road.

Still, doesn't mean we shouldn't learn the concept and try to practice it.
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post Nov 21 2019, 01:14 PM

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recently this photo was posted in biking groups.

alot ppl kecam this for stopping in the shade of big lorry.

yes it is dangerous, but the rule is.. the bike/biker have to move first/fast before the lorry starts to move.

this situation is different from the one posted above earlier, where the bike knocked by the turning bus..

view from a big lorrys driver 'cockpit'...

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This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 21 2019, 01:15 PM
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post Nov 27 2019, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 21 2019, 01:14 PM)
yes it is dangerous, but the rule is..  the bike/biker have to move first/fast before the lorry starts to move.
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I don't dare to get that close to any lorry and stay there some more. Usually when filtering and overtaking I try to get past them as quickly as possible, and do it as far away from them as possible.

Their blindspots are just too big. And they need minimum movement to cause possibly fatal damage to a motorcyclist.

Going back again to the topic of space cushion above:

What is the best way to deal with riders who tailgate very close when you are slowing down from main road and about to turn into a junction?

I run into this problem a lot because many entrances to neighborhoods in Malaysia are sharp turns from a main road. It's even more dangerous when there are those who want to turn into the same junction as me, because they tend to tailgate me very closely through the turn.

I'm not comfortable going through these 90 degree turns at high speeds (above 50km/h) since there tends to be gravel/potholes/debris on the side or sometimes even in the center of these junctions. But that puts me at risk of being rear ended by these guys when they end up behind me.

I have tried letting them overtake by braking and giving way, but they still insist on sitting uncomfortably close to my bike's rear.

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post Dec 2 2019, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Nov 27 2019, 11:51 PM)
I don't dare to get that close to any lorry and stay there some more. Usually when filtering and overtaking I try to get past them as quickly as possible, and do it as far away from them as possible.

Their blindspots are just too big. And they need minimum movement to cause possibly fatal damage to a motorcyclist.

Going back again to the topic of space cushion above:

What is the best way to deal with riders who tailgate very close when you are slowing down from main road and about to turn into a junction?

I run into this problem a lot because many entrances to neighborhoods in Malaysia are sharp turns from a main road. It's even more dangerous when there are those who want to turn into the same junction as me, because they tend to tailgate me very closely through the turn.

I'm not comfortable going through these 90 degree turns at high speeds (above 50km/h) since there tends to be gravel/potholes/debris on the side or sometimes even in the center of these junctions. But that puts me at risk of being rear ended by these guys when they end up behind me.

I have tried letting them overtake by braking and giving way, but they still insist on sitting uncomfortably close to my bike's rear.
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Try to slow down far before the exit junction and take the left most lane, this to create ample of space for those rempits/cagers to overtake you.. and to warn them that you slowing down to turn left..
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post Dec 3 2019, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Dec 2 2019, 08:57 PM)
Try to slow down  far before the exit junction and take the left most lane, this to create ample of space for those rempits/cagers to overtake you.. and to warn them that you slowing down to turn left..
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The situation I'm talking about usually involves only a single lane, and even if I hug the left side of the lane, they will not overtake. I also brake and signal very early.

Cars in this case are not as bad as the bikes, especially if the other bike wants to turn into the same junction. Not sure why they won't overtake before the junction and try to force me to go through the junction faster. sweat.gif
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post Dec 20 2019, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Dec 3 2019, 12:33 PM)
The situation I'm talking about usually involves only a single lane, and even if I hug the left side of the lane, they will not overtake. I also brake and signal very early.

Cars in this case are not as bad as the bikes, especially if the other bike wants to turn into the same junction. Not sure why they won't overtake before the junction and try to force me to go through the junction faster.  sweat.gif
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I always have this problem when I am turning into my road from the main road. Nothing can be done with tailgaters. I just continue to break, slow down and hope they are paying attention and don't rear end me
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post Dec 21 2019, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(Kaboku @ Dec 20 2019, 09:28 AM)
I always have this problem when I am turning into my road from the main road. Nothing can be done with tailgaters. I just continue to break, slow down and hope they are paying attention and don't rear end me
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Saw a kapchai kena by another kapchai a few days back at Damansara Uptown. It's a scarier situation because both these bikes were turning right and have to cross the oncoming lane to enter the junction.

It was very close to collision as the one at the front had to emergency brake due to cars speeding up at the junction. The guy behind was probably 10cm or less from hitting the front guy's rear tire. If he had hit, would have launched the front guy into the path of those oncoming cars...

Anyway, I have and will continue to at least give opportunity for these guys to pass me. Whatever their hurry is, I don't want to be involved in an accident because of it.
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:47 AM

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Urgent call for motorcyclist safety from doctors

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...y-from-doctors/

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" In 2017, 7,152 Malaysians died from traffic injuries. This is equivalent to one Boeing 747 jet crashing with no survivors every month. We have the world’s 20th highest rate of death, and third highest in Asean.

Motorcyclists comprise 60% of these deaths, with 61% of motorcycle accidents happening in rural areas and 66% on straight road sections. 46% of fatalities are below 25 years old and 94% of them are male. In Malaysia, motorcycles are four times deadlier than cars. "


.... it is in the genes... there is no cure no solution...
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post Mar 2 2020, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jan 2 2020, 12:47 PM)
quote frm article

" In 2017, 7,152 Malaysians died from traffic injuries. This is equivalent to one Boeing 747 jet crashing with no survivors every month. We have the world’s 20th highest rate of death, and third highest in Asean.

Motorcyclists comprise 60% of these deaths, with 61% of motorcycle accidents happening in rural areas and 66% on straight road sections. 46% of fatalities are below 25 years old and 94% of them are male. In Malaysia, motorcycles are four times deadlier than cars. "
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On our roads, the unwritten rules are:

1) If car hits kapcai, it's automatically the car driver's fault.
2) If kapcai hits car, it's still the car driver's fault.

These statistics are nature's way of getting Malaysian bikers' twisted sense of entitlement straight.

Say whatever you want, but in the end it's you who dies.

And sadly that is the one truth that no biker ever wants to even admit as they throw the dice & purposely find a way to risk death coz delivering Grab food is no fun without the chance of dying like a dog on the road.
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post Mar 2 2020, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Mar 2 2020, 07:16 AM)
And sadly that is the one truth that no biker ever wants to even admit as they throw the dice & purposely find a way to risk death coz delivering Grab food is no fun without the chance of dying like a dog on the road.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the reason these guys ride so recklessly is because they don't want the customer to give them a bad rating?

Malaysian customers can be quite demanding, especially when it comes to getting food. I hear the driver sometimes kena just because the restaurant got the order wrong. doh.gif
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post Mar 2 2020, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Mar 2 2020, 05:53 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the reason these guys ride so recklessly is because they don't want the customer to give them a bad rating?

Malaysian customers can be quite demanding, especially when it comes to getting food. I hear the driver sometimes kena just because the restaurant got the order wrong.  doh.gif
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Two things:

1) Getting a bad rating is still no excuse for riding recklessly on the road. Don't think nobody's gonna fuss about bad ratings when you end up in hospital with metal bits screwed into your legs.
2) Grab etc do not condone reckless riding. Refer: https://www.grab.com/my/terms-policies/code...conduct-driver/

Can't blame the employer for deciding to ride like a pillock. The statistics above clearly point out to the undeniable truth - it isn't the Grab bosses who die, it is always the rider who dies... so why are they so gladly willing to give up their lives to make Antony Tan even richer when he never even asked them to do so? That is the stupidity of motorcyclists.

Sanggup sukahati gadai nyawa bawak motor mcm hantu hantar Grab food, walhal company policy terang2 cakap jangan.
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post Mar 3 2020, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Mar 2 2020, 06:21 PM)
Two things:

1) Getting a bad rating is still no excuse for riding recklessly on the road. Don't think nobody's gonna fuss about bad ratings when you end up in hospital with metal bits screwed into your legs.
2) Grab etc do not condone reckless riding. Refer: https://www.grab.com/my/terms-policies/code...conduct-driver/

Can't blame the employer for deciding to ride like a pillock. The statistics above clearly point out to the undeniable truth - it isn't the Grab bosses who die, it is always the rider who dies... so why are they so gladly willing to give up their lives to make Antony Tan even richer when he never even asked them to do so? That is the stupidity of motorcyclists.

Sanggup sukahati gadai nyawa bawak motor mcm hantu hantar Grab food, walhal company policy terang2 cakap jangan.
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Yeah, I agree. I too wish that there was more safety awareness among the food delivery riders' community...

However, that's the reasoning that I've heard from acquaintances who run these jobs. I don't think there's much we can do to change their minds unless the authorities increase enforcement.
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post Mar 9 2020, 03:35 PM

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this on bike cam gone viral in biking group.
rider seems lost control, slowed down and crashed right in front of a lorry..

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post Mar 11 2020, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Mar 9 2020, 04:35 PM)
this on bike cam gone viral in biking group.
rider seems lost control, slowed down and crashed right in front of a lorry..
Sendiri punya bangga cari penyakit.

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post Mar 16 2020, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Mar 9 2020, 03:35 PM)
this on bike cam gone viral in biking group.
rider seems lost control, slowed down and crashed right in front of a lorry..

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watched the video, seems to me like bike malfunctioned and engine died.

see gear 3, cannot rev past 12 o'clock... then masuk gear 4, cannot rev, drop gear 3, engine drag, drop gear 2 engine RPM drop, release clutch engine drag, and he decided to steer right into the road barrier instead of head on the lorry...
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post Mar 16 2020, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Mar 16 2020, 11:23 AM)
watched the video, seems to me like bike malfunctioned and engine died.

see gear 3, cannot rev past 12 o'clock... then masuk gear 4, cannot rev, drop gear 3, engine drag, drop gear 2 engine RPM drop, release clutch engine drag, and he decided to steer right into the road barrier instead of head on the lorry...
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if dont really analyse the vid.. looks like he slow down then some how like lost control/traction,.
the bike should hv traction control..
tho going abit fast, he is not speeding like crazy, and looks abit carefull before he potong his member...
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post Mar 16 2020, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Mar 16 2020, 01:25 PM)
if dont really analyse the vid.. looks like he slow down then some how like lost control/traction,.
the bike should hv traction control..
tho going abit fast, he is not speeding like crazy, and looks abit carefull before he potong his member...
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If you will, watch carefully and see what you think. I just feel sorry for him.
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does anyone have a service/workshop manual for the NVX155?

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