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 Clearing stocks before the coming crash, what have I missed out in the analysis?

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post Feb 26 2019, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Feb 26 2019, 02:53 PM)
The assumptions could come from some of the recession indicators which one could make reference to, but these are not crystal ball to predict exactly when it will happen...so yeah,  up to one's risk appetite  to decide for himself.

Although TS tried seeking opinion on his exit strategy, the decision on this is solely his,  and he has managed to exit just before the December rout lol  rclxms.gif

If i recalled, TS has shared some of the criteria which seems to be the fundamentals of the stocks he bought and hence his decision on when to exit.  It is just my opinion that his criteria has too many fundamentals  to consider for each stocks but he managed anyway.

Looking back, I am interested if he ticked all the criteria he set for his stocks  when he exit?    biggrin.gif  plumberly?
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That's why I ask for his stock which he exited, so we can see share knowledge and insight of his rationale as well. But oh well.. private.. lol

No harm I feel, but just to share knowledge
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post Mar 3 2019, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 3 2019, 10:13 AM)
Saw a TV report recently and yes, it was on one of my favourite subjects,  the current touch and go volatile stock markets & economy. Ha.

Mentioned to review one's investment portfolio as we are now at the tail END of this EXTRA LONG CYCLE. Sensible and wise thing to do.

Try this quiz ….

Assume stock indices in the USA & Europe dropped by more than 13% overnight, what would you do the next morning?

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Stay calm and collected, do nothing, it will be OK days later.  hmm.gif

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Wait for 2-5 days, get out if confirmed it is a real global crash (>20% in 2 or more major indices), stay put if it is just a correction.  brows.gif

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Start selling some or all shares.  bruce.gif

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Contact your best friend or fund manager for advice.  icon_question.gif

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Demand DTM or PH to freeze KLCI till this storm is over  cry.gif

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Review your homework on your top 10 companies for investing when the prices are right.  rclxm9.gif

GG
???

Mind sharing your answer and why you selected that option? No right or wrong answer. Everyone is different, different situation, different needs, different views, etc.

Food/wine for thought …

LOOKING AHEAD is creating your own luck when preparation meets opportunities.

AWARENESS is the first step to improvement

ANALYSIS is the muscle of success

ACTION crosses the final hurdle to SUCCESS

. . . . . . .  ©  A . . S i m p l e . .  M a n
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If dropped more than 13% overnight, will continue to pick up some more SP500 ETF and maybe some unit trusts. Not all in one lumpsump. Continue my weekly/monthly purchases Ha. And say wow TS , you are right in calling the recession all along


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post Mar 3 2019, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 3 2019, 09:26 PM)
Saw a graph showing the relationship between stock, economy and real estate (with real estate lagging last). So maybe wait for a bit longer before getting REIT UT?  confused.gif
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Most UT will be emerging markets or whichever market (maybe a bond fund as well) i cant cover via ETFs .

Ray Dalio, manager of the world’s biggest hedge fund, lowers his odds of a recession.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-were-les...ging-ray-dalio/

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post Mar 7 2019, 03:32 PM

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While now late cycle, we view the current growth, inflation, and monetary policy environment as still supportive for risk assets. In our tactical asset allocation, we maintain our overweight to global equities and emerging market equities on the view that the markets are pricing a worse outcome for US and global growth that we expect.

Source - UBS as well
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post Mar 18 2019, 04:34 PM

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China stocks near 6.5 month high


https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...er-firms-shine/
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post Mar 23 2019, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 23 2019, 06:29 PM)
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/22/706073410/st...cession-warning

"We don't see that occur that often, but when it does, it's almost always bad news," said Campbell Harvey, a professor of finance at Duke University.

That's why warning lights started flashing Friday morning when the yield on the 10-year Treasury note slipped below that of the three-month bill. The last time that happened was just before the Great Recession.

Harvey's been keeping a close eye on these rare, "inverted" yield curves for more than 30 years, and treats them as a kind of early warning signal.

"My indicator has successfully predicted four of the last four recessions," he said, "including a pretty important call before the global financial crisis."

Harvey won't actually forecast a recession unless the yield curve stays inverted for at least three months. But even a flat curve — in which long-term yields are just slightly above short-term yields — could be an indicator the economy is losing steam.

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Saw another inverted yield study with some detail on the frequency and its aftermath. Can't find it now.

Bad news? No. I have sold my important shares. Ha. Sorry to be naughty. Ha. That is one of the reasons why I decided to sell early to avoid worrying on bad news like this, sleepless nights asking myself should I sell the next day, next week etc.

**  Norway pension fund (the world largest) is planning to sell its O & G shares.

**  N Korea and USA denuclearisation didnt go as expected.

**  China and USA trade is not progressing as what DT said

**  BREXIT is progressing many many km but just going round in a circle.

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Wait and see .......

P/S  Saw this weeks before ..

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Look at the deflation line in the last 2009 recession and compare with now. Both negative. Maybe just coincidence.
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Looking forward to collect some at a discount then! hehe
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post Mar 23 2019, 10:58 PM

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Found this on Reddit

Lots of talk about how to react to today's 3 month/10 year yield inversion and that a recession will be imminent in the next 12 - 24 months.

While that is quite possible, I implore investors to take yield curve inversions with a large dose of patience. You don't need to move your money on Monday, or even next week, or even next month.

While this a bit of pattern seeking that may not hold up again, I do ascribe to pattern seeking more than "this time it's different". Those are always famous last words at the end of bull markets.

Anyways, see the following 3 month/10 year curve and corresponding S&P 500 futures movement.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y3M

https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=ES&p=m1

You will notice a few things. First off, is the possibility that a short term inversion can happen and not spell any doom. There were very brief inversions that took place in September 1998, April 2000, and January 2006. In the case of 98 and 2006 there was considerable appreciation in stock afterwards. In 2000, April would have indeed timed the high well but there was a considerable distribution phase if you waited for more considerable yield inversion.

You will notice that a better signal is to wait and see a bit with the yield curve. Typically the recessionary signal will see an extended inversion that is deep and lasts for several months, then as the curve steepens again recession hits. Waiting as much as one month for full inversion will give you higher confidence in the signal. This gets you out in August 2000, and August 2006.

Corresponding with a move to bonds, waiting for a full month does seem to lose some appreciation in capital values, but you will still make out well with a bit of delay in transitioning to a risk-off strategy.

https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=ES&p=m1

So looking at the present day, we have the following factors:

Large transition into bonds as investors go risk-off for a Brexit that may not actually happen

Possible US-China trade deal as soon as April

Fed that has made a commitment to a more dovish transition the remainder of the year.

While all these factors may end up being too little too late to prevent an extended inversion and recession, I believe it is certainly prudent to give such scenario's a bit of time to play out. Any quick movement on a trade deal or Brexit news could quickly make this inversion look more like 1998 than 2000. I do think the Fed is a bit too little too late on the dovish turn, but we shall see. The tech bubble was ultimately kickstarted in 1998 when Greenspan lowered the FFR in response to flat yields. Today's Fed is not taking an accomodative stance to that degree.

The reasoning for recession with yield curves is a rather simple one, there's no term premium for bank lenders and this dries up lending markets. Think of it this way, if lending dries up for a few days it's not a huge deal. If lending dries up for a few months, that is what causes a lagging recessionary effect.

In any case, this is just to reinforce that you should not panic and give yourself time to rationally make adjustments to your portfolio, if any at all.

It's also important to note that I believe such a strategy did not work out well in 1990 to my knowledge. So depending on your timelines and risk dependence, certainly there is no guarantee that stocks see an extended decline you would benefit from avoiding. I believe the 1990 bear market was rather quick and shallow, just slightly worse than what happened from October - December 2018.

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments...sort=confidence
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post Mar 28 2019, 03:17 PM

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My stance is slightly bearish as well but i dont think i will liquidate most of my holdings. What i have done is increase my cash position and dump more into local bond funds. When a big correction appears, i am looking to enter more into index funds !

Exciting times ahead
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post Mar 29 2019, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 28 2019, 06:30 PM)
I was bullish on O & G some 10 years back, hoping for the price to soar many years later for my retirement, driven mainly from the depleting O & G reserves, jacking up the prices.

But now, a different outlook.

My bearish look at O & G (a sunset industry) is mainly from:

** the shift to EV in EU, China etc in the coming 10-20 years
** Norway pension fund (world's biggest) is working on selling its shares in O & G (they have the expertise to know better than me. Ha)
** even Shell has started operating some EV stations in EU, and also its vision shift from O & G to global energy
** (1 or 2 others I forgot now).

Something weird is happening globally now

** DT started the anti globalisation train
** Apple shifting to service sector
** Shell shifting its vision
** etc

Signs of matured/decline stage for some industries?

More changes to come I guess.
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Very interesting discussion!

Yes , the world is changing. But i do think it will take awhile for oil/fossil fuel to be irrelevant. The shift to EV is there but i will take a very long time till we dont need oil anymore. Regarding your point about GPFG, yes they are the world's biggest 1 trillion in assets but their stake in O&G is 37 billion. News Headlines is for them to catch attention of everyone only. They are reducing their exposure to oil and gas as their main source of 'income' is through oil and gas. As they said, their divestment is to protect their wealth and not a judgement about the future price of oil.

The only direct O&G exposure i have is Hibiscus Petroleum and plan to hold it for a long time coming.


Regarding your other posts about ETF, i too was monitoring Global X Lithium ETF (LIT) forawhile when TESLA was coming up back then but luckily stayed away as it dropped 25% in 2018.

Since you a strong bear of oil. Are you holding on to RM or converting it to other currency as of course our RM is strongly correlated to the price of oil?

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post Mar 29 2019, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 29 2019, 08:28 PM)
Whether that fund is going green and thus dropping O & G shares or they prefer not to ride the O & G roller coaster is anyone guess.

Mind sharing why Hibiscus P? Isn't it tied in to what Petronas is willing to give? Or the link is already solid gold? Ha. I will do a quick check for my own interest.

On EV ETF, my plan is to get in post this coming recession and AFTER some confirmed global recovery signs are there. Not an issue to me that I do not get in at the bottom. SWAN knowing my investment is growing during the post recession recovery period, rather than getting in now on the EV ETF as the current global outlook is dicey.

I am mostly in RM. Why? A strong believer in Msian govt and outlook? 50-50 lah. Foreign exchange is an unknown alien thing to me. Too risky for me without any knowledge. Thus prefer to stay out. Yes, this will affect my overall return (Msian vs foreign) but my view is, as long as I am staying in Msia, earn and spend in RM will be fine for me. Yes, imports etc will be more expensive etc.

RM is tied to the oil price as I think O & G is a big part of Msian GDP.

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GPFG said that the reason they are divesting their O&G stake is not because of going green but its just doesnt make sense that they reinvest their O&G derived funds back into O&G. Norway is dependant on oil revenue.

Yeah , if you think oil prices are going to drop alot , that means you think RM is going to weaken significantly, wouldnt you convert your RM into USD or SGD. I did not mean as trade in forex. I too am not skilled enough for that hoho

Why Hibiscus? because i entered it during low oil price and they were finalizing their second well/plant in Sabah. They are in net cash , good management for me , qoq/yoy growth as well. Norway fund only owns 2% stake of hibiscus as well . I was betting for oil price to go up when i entered previously anyways. They are not dependant on Petronas as they own the assets directly in UK,Aussie and Malaysia. Their cost to extract oil is quite low as well if not mistaken. So far up 30+% on it. BEFORE KYY made a hoo hah about biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Apr 1 2019, 09:45 PM

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Let’s Not Stress About the Next U.S. Recession
It’s probably not imminent, and won’t be severe.

Written by Bill Dudley. Bill Dudley is a senior research scholar at Princeton University’s Center for Economic Policy Studies. He served as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2009 to 2018, and as vice chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee. He was previously chief U.S. economist at Goldman Sachs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/...on?srnd=opinion
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post Apr 8 2019, 10:56 AM

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Posted this in another thread last week

I think recession seems to be postponed.

Positive indication of trade deal from both party, even China said they have to do something about their tech IP. Positive surprise

yield curve not inverted anymore

Jobs results unexpected on the plus side

UK kicked the Brexit can further down the road till June IIRC.

Told a fellow StashAway member it was most probably going to be a good week(last week 1/4) and good jobs report will most probably carry forward the momentum next week. fingers crossed.

Either way, stick to investment principle. I for one putting smaller amounts as things are slowly going back to record levels

This post has been edited by Krv23490: Apr 8 2019, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 8 2019, 04:52 PM)
NK is not an issue for global financial market. It is more about political instead of economy.
Brexit won't impact whole world economy, except Br and specific stocks related to BR.

The fear is with dovish Fed (so quick stopping the hike cycle), it may fuel another asset bubble (worldwide equities rising non-stop), and with still low US interest rate, it may not have enough "ammunition" to handle next bubble crisis.

Last time, 2008, Fed rate was 5% before crisis hit, then at least for 5% "ammunition"
Now, only 2.5% already halt the rate hike.
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So if we are expecting rate cuts, bond funds will be a beneficiary right?
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 12 2019, 08:47 PM)
US eq going to bull run again after some reading are out.

IMO all those opinion opinion thing should have taken with a pinch of salt. All are history. Lagging data's. They will claim "I told you"

But in fact, never one will earn big base on lagging data. But those article important in assisting us in making decision. Not the decision maker. We are the decision maker.

I still remember Schroeder report last q2 or q4. Mentioned on the inversion curves. And they said, based on the curves, the major corrections shall be on 0219.... I think nothing happen.

Malaysia...... Don't know what happpen la. Still hangovers. Need some ginger water to counter drunk.
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Ya , just proved that timing the market is damn hard. Initial bank earnings beat expectation yesterday as well causing DJIA to be up 1% and SP500 0.6%.

If the tech heavyweights beat earnings. Expect a good bull run in the short term.
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ May 6 2019, 12:24 AM)
Not mistaken it should happen around May right? Now is May, we shall see..
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The inversion wasn’t really counted because it didn’t last more than the ‘supposed’ indicator
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post May 7 2019, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ May 7 2019, 03:42 PM)
Haha I like how people justify when something they predict didn't happen. I mean if the recession can be predicted, then there will be no losers.
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Hahah, exactly. I don’t believe in timing the market as well. Anyone can call bull bull bull or bear bear bear, sooner or later will be right.

Just as a broken clock is right twice a day
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post May 25 2019, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ May 25 2019, 01:31 PM)
If you have been staying in the sideline since 1 year ago then your patience is likely to be rewarded with buying opportunity coming up in the next 6 to 12 coming months
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Hard to time though, if market keep dropping, most will lost the courage to enter

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 25 2019, 05:17 PM)
Yes but timing that entry is easier said then done.
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post May 27 2019, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 27 2019, 12:05 PM)
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Saw this today, not that I was searching high and low for crash news.

Paul Gambles was the guy who predicted the Thai baht depreciation and the Asian currency crisis in 1997. No one is that lucky to correctly predict major crisis twice in a row?

Look at the headline at the bottom.

Check CNA if you want to have a look at that video.
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Hmm, would you trust everyone who got things twice right though ?
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ May 29 2019, 03:39 PM)
It has happen, during the height of dot com a lot of stable high profile tech stock had also enter people life like our current FANG. Eg Microsoft, Cisco, Ebay, Yahoo etc.

The crash also wipe off a big chunk of share holder value despite some of these company having good fundamentals such as income and revenue growth. But if you buy company with good fundamentals, you can rest easy that a market crash won't kill them and their value will likely recover in the long term. But still a 30 - 70% dent on your portfolio value will send you into panic and make irrational decision.
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A lot of people said the same thing when I bought Amazon at 700s. To be honest, if a big correction comes, will go on a shopping spree.


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post May 30 2019, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 30 2019, 05:08 PM)
When there is a transaction, there is a buyer and seller. Not everyone thinks alike.
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Hey! i said the same thing regarding analyst views etc, for every bullish article there is a bearish article, for every buy call there will always be a sell call. And if someone is buying, definitely someone is buying.

In the end , you yourself(the reader) is responsible

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