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 StashAway MY, New instrument for Malaysian?

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honsiong
post Jan 31 2019, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 31 2019, 10:39 AM)
I can't my max is 20%....
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Do the SGX quiz as stated in FAQ, takes about 1 hour.
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post Jan 31 2019, 12:34 PM

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Moving forward, let's not mention MYR returns. That is just forex component and not a real test for how good StashAway's model is.

We just talk about return in term of USD from now on.
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post Jan 31 2019, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(preducer @ Jan 31 2019, 12:46 PM)
it seems like u guys are in for short term ?
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Long term, since July 2017 LOL.
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post Jan 31 2019, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(jay @ Jan 31 2019, 02:38 PM)
their projection is like super long term ~30years
i just have one question, from now to 30years later, does StashAway this company will still available? how they can assure this. if the next financial crisis happen then they bankrupt apa mcm? how can we claim back our funds/money
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It's stated in their FAQ, I can only think of 1 reason they shut down in near future: not enough customers and assets under management. By right financial crisis shouldn't affect these robo advisors poorly.
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post Jan 31 2019, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Jan 31 2019, 10:42 PM)
From my simple understanding, StashAway's CEO can't just dig into the funds to make expensive music videos with rappers for his wife:
Pacific Trustees - hold your money
Saxo Capital - hold your shares
StashAway - holds a ledger of (i) how much cash in Pacific Trustees belong to you, (ii) how many units (up to the fraction) in Saxo brokerage account belong to you
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I understood that reference. bangwall.gif That church is actually on the same street, 5 mins walk from my block LOL.

But I think since everyone is holding fractional shares, in that not-that-unlikely event, I guess they gonna dump all the shares back into the market through Saxo (cause a small share price drop depending on how big of StashAway entire AUM is), and give everyone back SGD and MYR.

It's not entirely risk free lah.
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post Feb 1 2019, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(preducer @ Feb 1 2019, 08:16 AM)
The standard referal is much more attractive
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Most people probably signed up without using one, my colleagues and I didn’t way back then.
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post Feb 1 2019, 11:48 AM

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Magic of 36%: was losing money for so long, finally -0.7% ady. Gone from -23% to -0.7% in 2 months LMAO.
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post Feb 1 2019, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(B500 @ Feb 1 2019, 11:57 AM)
Indeed. Good thing ringgit is stronger now, which helps DCA..
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post Feb 1 2019, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(jay @ Feb 1 2019, 01:02 PM)
so do you need to top up your capital after gone double digit negative value?
sry noob investment here
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No need. StashAway is flexible with whatever whenever you put in.
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post Feb 1 2019, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(jay @ Feb 1 2019, 01:23 PM)
so means from -23% to -0.7% you just have to wait it to become positive +0.0% then your capital is still the same as initial deposit if you decide to cash out
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I would have lost 2-4% due to inflation. And the very goal of investment is to keep your money working to beat inflation.
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post Feb 1 2019, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Feb 1 2019, 03:45 PM)
has anyone invested 5 digits and high risk from 20% to 36%?
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I use it as CPF stand in.
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QUOTE(roarus @ Feb 1 2019, 08:05 PM)
Something of a give and take with Stashaway - fractional shares in exchange for 100% of your money working. Which is perfectly fine for my 'ciggy bank'.

The other robo Autowealth doesn't do fractional - but have a custody account with money and assets legally belonging to you, with the downside of higher investment entry point. Not sure if they have any plans to open their doors here.
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Can Malaysians open Saxo account? Opening Saxo requires SGD3000 that I am not willing fork out, plus they have inactivity fee.

Yea I much prefer to have every cents I put in do their work, and dividends reinvested ASAP, these can make the management fees worth it.

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post Feb 3 2019, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 2 2019, 10:01 PM)
Yes. Probably once a year, one lump sump.

Is that correct honsiong?
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CWB has taxable dividends, I forgot why but I think coz the fund actually profits from converting the convertible bonds into shares and sell it? I think CWB do huge payout each year December too.

You won’t get all 30% back on CWB.
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QUOTE(blackseed202 @ Feb 4 2019, 05:38 PM)
Thanks for the link. But is there a list of etf thats available on that platform that i can look into. Specifically what they tracks or their underlying securities are?
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Lower risk equities: FEZ EWJ XLP
Higher risk equities: SPY AAXJ XLY XLK VBK
Lower risk bonds: TLT TLH TIPS VGIT AGG
Growth bond/hybrid: CWB
Growth commodities: GLD

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post Feb 5 2019, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(blackseed202 @ Feb 5 2019, 06:31 AM)
So thats their only etf available?

Interesting. Not much choice is it? Other international funds not available?

Where did you get the list?
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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Feb 5 2019, 01:19 PM)
I think you misunderstood the concept of Stashaway. The choice of ETFs are quite inclusive of everything already at least for the highest risk index.
If you want more ETFs, you should consider opening a foreign broking account so you can buy all the ETFs you want
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You are not supposed to hand pick ETFs and these are the ones they found out in backtesting that can keep the returns within your risk profiles.

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post Feb 6 2019, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 6 2019, 01:31 PM)
Park under them now no tax relief. Yes you can lock up until retirement. But cannot reduce the amount the tax you pay.
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They actually have that in Singapore under SRS scheme. But yea the tax relief only lasts until 2021, sad life.

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QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Feb 12 2019, 02:58 PM)
A dumb question sorry, so if ringgit better, as in USD lower,
then it is good to deposit more?
This of course in terms of currency exchange
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If you want to accumulate more shares yes, but don’t so complicated so maintain consistent dollar cost averaging can already.
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QUOTE(silverviolet @ Feb 13 2019, 12:39 AM)
Is it wise testing this with RM 1,000 first and get one month free management fees or is it too small?
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Test with RM500 then you still get USD0.05 dividends from bond funds (USD0.01 from each fund). Anything less than RM500 its 0 dividends ady.

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post Feb 13 2019, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(pinan @ Feb 13 2019, 05:08 PM)
Does anyone have information of how we are going to pay fees to Stashaway or have asked them about it before?

I have read their Account Opening Document and it only states the following:-
Seems like it is important to figure out the following:-

1. Would Stashaway issue a invoice for us to pay them with fresh funds or would they automatically deduct their fees from our invested sum either from cash available or by selling our securities? And would they provide any details for us to verify the correctness of such deducted amount?

2. How do they compute the amount of fees to be charged on the invested sums and based on what time frame? Would it be based on the total amount invested one year from the time of the first deposit? Based on the time of each deposit and charged separately? Or charged at the end of the accounting year regardless of when we started investing and prorated accordingly?

3. The referral program states that we would "get up to RM30,000 managed for free for 6 months", how do they compute the 6 months?

Have sent the above queries to their Whatsapp support and will report back once I get a reply.

In the meantime would appreciate any additional info from you guys too.
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They keep 1% of your portfolio worth in cash (USD), then they deduct the 0.8% p.a. fee there every month.

The specific details are not that important, I just assume they calculate the daily balance, then average out the daily closing balance to calculate fee to charge.

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post Feb 13 2019, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 13 2019, 05:38 PM)
That's is not enough... A buy average cost. Current price, amount gain, amount lost, we need number. Not percentage.

But just 3 months old... Is ok.... Huge room to improve.
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It’s been 19 months for me. And their functions didn’t change much, if at all.

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